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The concept of a president pardoning themselves has no legal precedent and would be challenged at every possible level. And even if it somehow went through, if he was being charged for state offenses he would not be able to pardon himself from those. Also it sounds like you are advocating for political violence good sir, I thought MAGA didn't condone political violence
There is no law limiting the ablity for the president to pardon whoever he wants for whatever he wants. If you want to argue there is then all previous pardons are fair play to be fucked with. Congress is within DC not a state, so drone striking congress is not a state offence.
 
Can we just get back to the original point, the word petty was used to describe the motivation not the crime. I'm sorry that you don't understand that vandalism is also a felony if more than $400 of damage is dealt. Seriously is it this hard to not grab onto one singular word to try and dismiss an entire argument when that wasn't even the original point. Like jesus christ fine he'd be charged with arson and felony vandalism. It doesn't matter what terminology is used my point is still correct retard.
It wasn't one word. You explicitly stated Petty acts of Vandalism which is for shit like keying cars or graffiti.
that's the point. If they say burned down said logging businesses because they didn't use their favorite brand of saws then it wouldn't be ideological it would fall under petty acts of vandalism.
Anyway, one reason why I latched onto it is because it's how my very liberal PoliSci teacher used that kind of language to downplay arsons and terrorism that ELF, ANTIFA, and BLM commit.
 
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The concept of a president pardoning themselves has no legal precedent and would be challenged at every possible level. And even if it somehow went through, if he was being charged for state offenses he would not be able to pardon himself from those. Also it sounds like you are advocating for political violence good sir, I thought MAGA didn't condone political violence
There is no law limiting the ablity for the president to pardon whoever he wants for whatever he wants. If you want to argue there is then all previous pardons are fair play to be fucked with.
There was a legal opinion or some shit written about Nixon that said he could have just resigned (which makes the VP immediately become the president) and then the VP could've written a pardon for him and no one could say shit.

Lifehack: just resign and make your VP pardon you.
 
There was a legal opinion or some shit written about Nixon that said he could have just resigned (which makes the VP immediately become the president) and then the VP could've written a pardon for him and no one could say shit.

Lifehack: just resign and make your VP pardon you.
That is under the absolute retard historylet viewpoint that views watergate as anything other than an obvious framejob done by the CIA in conjuction with the media. Sure is funny how Agnew was taken down only to be replaced by Ford who LBJ stated was a "controllable asset".
 
That is under the absolute retard historylet viewpoint that views watergate as anything other than an obvious framejob done by the CIA in conjuction with the media. Sure is funny how Agnew was taken down only to be replaced by Ford who LBJ stated was a "controllable asset".
Agnew was thoroughly corrupt and had been long before being VP. The FBI had him dead to rights.
 
That is under the absolute retard historylet viewpoint that views watergate as anything other than an obvious framejob done by the CIA in conjuction with the media. Sure is funny how Agnew was taken down only to be replaced by Ford who LBJ stated was a "controllable asset".
No its not, "absolute retard historylets" are not involved. It was written before Nixon resigned by the US DOJ office of legal counsel: https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/presidential-or-legislative-pardon-president

There's an opinion written about it here also:
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lel, not any more. Greece is a model of ultra-conservative fiscal probity compared to Ireland. Greece's external debt is less than 10% of Ireland's on a per cap basis and about a fifth of Ireland's on a total basis.
The Hellenic Parliament was usurped by Bush-tier neocons who settled the debt crap with the majority Bush-tier neocon led EU, while they collectively just sit and let the socialists do whatever they want. Ireland is just straight up leftist as they have wasted money on public projects which inflated its total debt figures without the investment approval of the EU neocon overlords.
 
You fucks have spent the last damn near 10 years telling us all that Trump is literally Hitler and he is going to personally rape and murder each and every one of our daughters while pushing granny off a cliff. If the things you've said about him were even remotely true, then wide spread violence would be the only sane reaction to him and his allies. This is literally the future you assholes chose.
 
Agnew was thoroughly corrupt and had been long before being VP. The FBI had him dead to rights.
Yeah I'm gonna trust the FBI. They had The Finders dead to rights given they had manuals on how to buy children and evidence McMarten preschool was abusing and trafficking kids but did nothing because it "stepped on CIA toes". Fuck off. Nothing short of total glowie death is acceptable at this point.
 
You fucks have spent the last damn near 10 years telling us all that Trump is literally Hitler and he is going to personally rape and murder each and every one of our daughters while pushing granny off a cliff. If the things you've said about him were even remotely true, then wide spread violence would be the only sane reaction to him and his allies. This is literally the future you assholes chose.
Have you heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? In trying to stop what they perceive as Hitler, they are going to summon him. Trump 2024 is a creation of the Washington Empire.
 
There is no law limiting the ablity for the president to pardon whoever he wants for whatever he wants.
Actually there are, some of which are in the constitution: https://archive.ph/RebR6

I know your reading comprehension is challenged so I will summarize it:
1. Presidential pardons cannot place the president above the law (doing so would violate the constitution's Take Care clause and Oath clause which bind the president to use his powers to serve the public's interest, not himself)

2. Presidential pardons cannot undermine other parts of the Constitution, including constitutional rights (in 1915 the supreme court ruled that the president cannot force an individual to accept a pardon if it would violate his constitutional rights, in that case the fifth amendment)

3. Presidential pardons cannot violate criminal law (for example - federal law, specifically 18 U.S.C. § 201, prevents public servants, including the president, from exchanging official acts for anything of value for themselves or their family members - 18 U.S. Code § 1510 prohibits corruptly motivated actions, such as promising a pardon to potential witnesses if they refuse to cooperate with an investigation)

4. Presidential pardons cannot license future lawbreaking on the president’s behalf (again, violation of the Take Care and Oath clauses of the constitution)

And as I mentioned before, the president cannot pardon state offenses, as according to article II, section 2, clause 1 of the constitution the president may give clemency only for federal crimes except in cases of impeachment, not state crimes

Believe it or not, the constitution isn't just a buzzword you sycophants like to bring up when it suits you, it's a real existing document that places limits upon government officials, including your "king" who you are currently watching fuck your morbidly obese wife as you type your angry reply with tears in your eyes
 
It wasn't one word. You explicitly stated Petty acts of Vandalism which is for shit like keying cars or graffiti.

Anyway, one reason why I latched onto it is because it's how my very liberal PoliSci teacher used that kind of language to downplay arsons and terrorism that ELF, ANTIFA, and BLM commit.
I made one mistake holy crap, I didn't mean the crime he committed was petty I meant the motivation he was doing it for was petty. Just like how you're being petty because yes you are hanging onto literally one word when I just explained what i meant as well, I could have worded that better. Allow me to rephrase to shut you up holy crap, "he committed felony vandalism for petty reasons" does that suit what i'm trying to say better.
Again the point being that the man who committed the crime in my made up scenario to prove a point was that he wouldnt be charged for terrorism because there's no ideological aim to his act of arson
 
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It's stupid because they could make tons of money off of those companies, but they don't because they're Irish (I'm not sure what the actual reason is)
The companies tend to just vomit money into the communities around their facilities, even if it's just an office with a handful of employees, and all of the employees pay a shitload in taxes as well. It's basically trickle-down economics, it's just trickling into countries with less taxes because with low/no tariffs to give those companies the incentive to invest in the US they, shockingly, don't

Basically, they can take the jobs and investments that those companies brings even if they don't get any direct tax revenue out of it, or they can let that money float away elsewhere because the companies are just going to go to the most convenient place with little to no taxes that they can
 
Have you heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? In trying to stop what they perceive as Hitler, they are going to summon him. Trump 2024 is a creation of the Washington Empire.
Who's the new Hitler because it isn't Trump?
has he started advocating genocide and WW3 or something equally evil?
 
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