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[Quijibo69]

The one bit of bts trivia around drawn together (assuming it's true)) that will forever amuse me, is how one reason the quality dropped majorly in season 3 and why there was a delay in episodes, one so big they requested a "mid season break" that lasted almost a year. Is the people behind the show where too busy playing halo 2 on Xbox. They even did so while on double hemm and comedy central's time and dime

At least South Park is funny. DT was one of the worst wasted potentials of all time. They had a good idea's and pissed it away.

 

[Mr. Nobodyguy 202]

Hey Lois, Remember the time when our pilot was lost media?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Hey Lois, Remember the time when our pilot was lost media?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Greg Wiseman circa 2020.

Gargoyles is still my baby. I don't own it. I don't get a dime off of it being on Disney Plus. And yet I'm so thrilled that it is, I'm thrilled that it represents a chance — even if it's a slim chance — to bring it back. I've always wanted to do more. I've got a timeline for the show that's 315 pages long. I've got notebooks and comp books full of ideas for it. Spin-off notions and all sorts of things. Literally, nothing would make me happier than to go back and do more Gargoyles."

Too bad much like the creators of avatar, Alex Hirsch, Danna "dumbass", Terrance, and so many others before and since him. Wiseman's become a ghost of his old self. Nothing but dust and echoes of what once was remains....silenced forever, desecrated graves when new versions are announced....




Anyways here's the voice of Patrick doing Patrick's voice just a few years before spongebob hit the air.

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

At least South Park is funny. DT was one of the worst wasted potentials of all time. They had a good idea's and pissed it away.

I find myself enjoying DT usually and have a bit of a habit of defending ít occasionally but even I have to admit that gags where they purposefully stall for time or try to see how much shit they can get away with just for the sake of it drag the show down.
They can actually get pretty clever and funny when they do more with the entire cartoon character theme like the episode where the culturally inappropriate characters get sent to a facility run by Mi**** ***se, where they're killed off by literal pencil erasers.
The show has its moments

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

https://archive.ph/NhB9k

Narrated by the filmmaker, “The Twilight World” tells the true story of Hiroo Onoda, a Japanese intelligence officer who refused to believe that World War II was over, and continued to fight a personal, fictitious war in the jungles of the Philippines for thirty years. Sun Creature Studio, the producers of “Flee,” the BAFTA and Oscar-nominated film, has been tapped to create for “The Twilight World” out of their France-based studio and will be working with French animation talent, while Psyop, another renowned animation studio that is based in Germany and the U.S., is co-producing the film.

 

[The Nothingness]

Too bad much like the creators of avatar, Alex Hirsch, Danna "dumbass", Terrance, and so many others before and since him. Wiseman's become a ghost of his old self. Nothing but dust and echoes of what once was remains....silenced forever, desecrated graves when new versions are announced....

Those who saw Seasons 3 and 4 of Young Justice probably have an idea of what a continuation of Gargoyles would look like.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Those who saw Seasons 3 and 4 of Young Justice probably have an idea of what a continuation of Gargoyles would look like.

When getting axed because cartoon network preferred teen titans go over the original young justice would have been a better end then being reanimated as a preachy woke corpse.

I find myself enjoying DT usually and have a bit of a habit of defending ít occasionally but even I have to admit that gags where they purposefully stall for time or try to see how much shit they can get away with just for the sake of it drag the show down.
They can actually get pretty clever and funny when they do more with the entire cartoon character theme like the episode where the culturally inappropriate characters get sent to a facility run by Mi**** ***se, where they're killed off by literal pencil erasers.
The show has its moments

The joke from one wearin there is a big twist where they sat around doing nothing for like 10 seconds or so was the worst. But then 20 years later family guy said fold my beer. Speaking of family guy.

Hey Lois, Remember the time when our pilot was lost media?

Lois: petter you invited your old high school girlfriend over for dinner?

peter: You think that's Bad? Remember the time I turned myself into a waffle to get outta spending time with the family?

As people in the comments on this video say, the show has become the very thing south park once mocked it for being in cartoon wars.

 

[Whatisgoingon]

Going back a bit to the new looney tunes movie, I saw it the other day with a family member. We were the only two in the theater, so it's probably not doing amazing. But it was great, old school inspired 2D animation.

It had one cringe tiktok gag, but the rest was just good old looney tunes gags, character dynamics and a little sprinkling of old school (think 30s and 40s) animation references. It was the best experience I've had in probably 10 years in a theater, although I'm probably biased because I love classic cartoons.

I'd definitely recommend it, I wouldn't expect a masterpiece just a good time.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

this clip from modern simpsons (and by that i mean an ep from like twelve years ago) has become a meme lately and i have to admit while i see why it did, the clip is got a good format for listing stuff on and the backing track is pretty nice, i have to say this encapsulates what's wrong with the voice acting and writing of the simpsons. burns sounds like shit ofc. but for me what is bad about it is you can feel the millenial behind the screen. because back in the day simpsons writers would be well read enough to include macbeth or anton chigurgh (remember it was a book first) in a villains lineup but they thought mr burns would list eric cartman, megatron and donkey kong as villains he respects. blegh

 

[A Grey Cat]

this clip from modern simpsons (and by that i mean an ep from like twelve years ago) has become a meme lately and i have to admit while i see why it did, the clip is got a good format for listing stuff on and the backing track is pretty nice, i have to say this encapsulates what's wrong with the voice acting and writing of the simpsons. burns sounds like shit ofc. but for me what is bad about it is you can feel the millenial behind the screen. because back in the day simpsons writers would be well read enough to include macbeth or anton chigurgh (remember it was a book first) in a villains lineup but they thought mr burns would list eric cartman, megatron and donkey kong as villains he respects. blegh

At least he listed the only good terminators 1 and 2. (3 is debatable if it deserves the "perhaps I was too hard on you" label after how the series got even worse)

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

villains lineup but they thought mr burns would list eric cartman, megatron and donkey kong as villains he respects. blegh

Eh, DK has had multiple references throughout Simpsons history, even being a boss in their video game, so that doesn’t feel out of place.

Cartman feels like a nice nod to South Park, which has been on good terms with the Simpsons writers since at least Cartoon Wars.

Honestly not sure what the problem is with Megatron being on a list that includes Skeletor. Especially because, given full context, it was about villains who are remembered, not exactly ones he respects. The whole point of the song is to talk about how being vile and/or the villain gets you remembered in history.

Only issue I can really see with the song is if you want to be a Nintendo fag and pull an “Aktually…. DK is remembered as a hero in the Country games.”

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I quite liked Drawn Together when it premiered but I was a young man back then, perfect target audience.

I actually will say IMO the biggest shift and reason DT dropped its quality was completely abandoning the reality show format and slight continuity season 1 had, which proved to be a very useful anchor for the show. Clara worrying she was pregnant in the second episode after the first's lesbo kiss is an obvious example, but a really subtle one was Spanky and Clara forming an odd friendship (notice in the final episode he was laying on her lap), or the continual attempts to help Xandir figure out how to be an open gay dude. That, and plots having to hew to being a reality show but WITHIN a cartoon characters' lens and toonforce/abilities (you know what I mean) meant a lot of them at least were actually pretty clever and/or original. All the cuts to house-members talking on the plot of the episode as it happened felt natural even for the screwball nature of the show. It was a show that seemed to live up to its premise.

Second season onward just going full wacky and random, with only the occasional cut to one character an episode to remind you it's supposed to still be a reality show, meant a ton of jokes were hilarious in a vacuum, yes... but it just wasn't the show I enjoyed initially it as anymore.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Hey Lois, Remember the time when our pilot was lost media?

What's interesting about this is that this pilot is actually on the season 1 DVD boxset, but it cuts off after the von trap family singers gag.

Glad to see what the rest of that looked like.

 

[Commander X]

Holy crap Lois, this is almost as bad as that time a mediocre cartoonist managed to deeply embed himself into American pop culture, and tried starring in a live-action Western film parody where his face looked really weird and off-putting, and also keeps recording music where he sings like how a deeply closeted gay man imagines a "manly" crooner in the Rat Packer vein would sound, even though his actual singing makes him sound gayer than Michael Bublé.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Eh, DK has had multiple references throughout Simpsons history, even being a boss in their video game, so that doesn’t feel out of place.

Cartman feels like a nice nod to South Park, which has been on good terms with the Simpsons writers since at least Cartoon Wars.

Honestly not sure what the problem is with Megatron being on a list that includes Skeletor. Especially because, given full context, it was about villains who are remembered, not exactly ones he respects. The whole point of the song is to talk about how being vile and/or the villain gets you remembered in history.

Only issue I can really see with the song is if you want to be a Nintendo fag and pull an “Aktually…. DK is remembered as a hero in the Country games.”

my problem is it just exposes how modern simpsons writers are of the funko generation, where all their best examples of villains are from pop culture rather than actual culture. Skeletor is another one that was cringey yea. Like back in the day Simpsons would use that as an opportunity to be both current AND cultured, whereas modern Simpsons writers only know Spongebob and Spider-Man to quote that Iranian general

 

[Trilby]

Holy crap Lois, this is almost as bad as that time a mediocre cartoonist managed to deeply embed himself into American pop culture, and tried starring in a live-action Western film parody where his face looked really weird and off-putting, and also keeps recording music where he sings like how a deeply closeted gay man imagines a "manly" crooner in the Rat Packer vein would sound, even though his actual singing makes him sound gayer than Michael Bublé.
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And to think, it all came from his student film...

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Really I think it was just Disney saying no because they realized 90s nostalgia is all but dead and we're moving to late 2000s and holy hell....2010s nostalgia at this point.

nah, they're literally coming out with a darkwing duck show later this year, in general i think nostalgia for any time period is dead because alphas and late zoomers didn't grow up with the constant reruns of old shit that their parents loved. i have cousins in middle school that never really had to watch commercials and aren't really big into "older" shows because they always had netflix.

WB always treated Looney Tunes like trash, look at what Chuck Jones wrote about the original Warner Brothers

thats because it wasn't original a WB property didn't they buy it from Leon? its also why despite us all talking about looney tunes, in general characters outside of Bugs and Daffy really didn't have lots of screentime. i think Marvin is in an hour of content at most.

looney tunes was huge in the 1940s and 1950s and weren't really big outside of those decades. they were treated like shit by WB and by the 1960s were basically treated like the island of misfit toys, its why those later road runner cartoons basically have fuck all for backgrounds or details.

and tried starring in a live-action Western film parody where his face looked really weird and off-putting, and also keeps recording music where he sings like how a deeply closeted gay man imagines a "manly" crooner in the Rat Packer vein would sound, even though his actual singing makes him sound gayer than Michael Bublé.

its crazy, because everyone would have loved that western film if it was 90 minutes of cutaway jokes and skits involoving people dying in the west, the cohen bros basically did a similar concept to that and was beloved for it, but Seth is such an old man with old man tastes that he tried to make a 1950s style comedy western. it is sort of funny how he has this love of old time hollywood but also makes family guy and american dad.

like of course he'd give us the best version of star trek, he loves trying to revive dead genres and doing it the best.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

And to think, it all came from his student film...

Which wound up getting it's own little cartoon

 

[Commander X]

Stumbled across this article on the star-crossed 1988 revival of Beany and Cecil, that had John K. as the supervising producer. I thought about this part, in the context of Chuck Lorre's later career, "Bazinga!" and all that, and the sort of mindset it takes to really really succeed in the arena of US television.

Chuck Lorre who went on to create many popular live action television comedies (The Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men, etc) was the original story editor and wrote the show bible that stated Beany and Cecil “had an ability to appeal to a wide range of ages on entirely different levels.”

He was fired because his perception of the show ended up conflicting with what the Clampetts wanted. He was the one who gave the Leakin’ Lena a personality and had Beany say, “Hippity hop, hippity hi, c’mon Beany copter, fly!” He was replaced by Paul Dini who found himself in the difficult position of scrambling to please ABC, the Clampetts and Kricfalusi so that each was satisfied.