Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

As for the ceasefire, I don't remember seeing anything being officially agreed upon, which I would think requires signing some kinda document by both sides at least. You can't just go "Yeah we talked it out, it's totally a thing now" - pretty sure that's not how this works.
There have been some handshake ceasefires, where the document came later or was so short/limited one wasn't needed. In any case, usually leading up to the ceasefire signing both sides wind down operations as a show of good faith. i.e. iirc a lot of the IRA/UK ceasefires were quietly agreed or the IRA saying "you don't kill anyone easter week and we won't kill anyone easter week, show your agreement by not killing anyone till next monday"
I also recall lot of the Syrian "evacuation corridor" ceasefires did not have an official document, but those were quick affairs and more between battlefield commanders and less governments. I cannot remember if the 4-day Othodox Christmas ceasefire (that Russia violated) from a few years ago had an official signed document.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure this is one case where due to the parties involved a verbal isn't going to cut it, and I would expect something as long as a 30-day ceasefire - especially one with so many possible loopholes - would need a signed document even if both sides weren't slavic.


It's really weird. I don't want to go "Oh, the Tzar doesn't know! The Boyars hide information from him" but it legitimately seems like Trump is getting reports that are very distorted. (Or to be very charitable (and not get accused of TDS), perhaps he has more intel than us and knows more).
I don't think this is an intel thing.
Trump has a commitment from both sides, proceeds to puff it up to be more than it is and talks like its an actual signed document. (Many such cases. SAD!) And the media being worthless vultures run with it.

I also think its pretty clear Trump expected "the President of the US says there will be a ceasefire, you said you agreed, I don't care if the document is signed or not, you're going to stop shooting each droning each other right now". Putin is very clearly challenging him on that, so it'll be interesting to watch the response.

The reason for said legal battle was because Germany was one of the original member countries that signed the Saint Peters-burg Declaration of 1868, an antiquated but still around agreement that explosive projectiles weighing below 400 grams of weight couldn't be used
The Eternal Prussian ruins yet another nice thing.
 
A Soviet-era dissident has been sentenced to 16 years in prison in Russia for his anti-war views, in a case that observers say highlights how the country’s repression now exceeds even parts of the Soviet period.

Alexander Skobov, a 67-year-old lifelong dissident, was sentenced on Friday by a military court in St Petersburg over a social media post supporting Ukraine’s 2022 strike on the Crimea Bridge, as well as his alleged involvement with the foreign-based opposition group the Free Russia Forum.


A self-described leftwing pacifist, Skobov published the dissident Soviet journal Perspektivy in what was then Leningrad, and spoke out against the Soviet war in Afghanistan, and later Russia’s the wars in Chechnya, and, more recently, Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, which began in 2014.

In the Soviet Union, Skobov was repeatedly charged with “anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda” and was twice forcibly confined to psychiatric institutions. He spent a total of six years in Soviet psychiatric wards that functioned as prisons.

His sentence on Friday effectively amounts to life imprisonment, given his age and frail health. Skobov’s lawyer said her client had diabetes, hepatitis C, bronchial asthma and glaucoma.

In a defiant final statement before sentencing, Skobov condemned the war in Ukraine, saying: “Today I will be asked whether I plead guilty. Well, I am the one making the accusation here! I accuse the stinking corpse of a regime and the ruling Putin clique of preparing, unleashing, and waging an aggressive war, of committing war crimes in Ukraine, of political terror in Russia, and of the moral corruption of my people.”

“I ask the regime’s henchmen present here: do you admit your guilt in being complicit in Putin’s crimes?” Skobov added.

As the judge read out the sentence, Skobov – seated inside a locked metal cage and guarded by security officers – was heard shouting: “Glory to Ukraine.”

Skobov has been in detention since his arrest in April 2024. Even behind bars, he has remained politically active. Last June, he published an open letter addressed to younger Russian political prisoners. “I want the young people who took the hit to know: the last Soviet dissidents stood alongside them,” he wrote in the letter, which was published by the Novaya Gazeta outlet

The sentence Skobov was given on Friday was extreme even by the already-repressive standards of today’s Russia. Observers said it highlighted how modern Russia had surpassed the scale of repression seen during the post-Stalin Soviet era.

“The draconian sentence handed down to Alexander Skobov today is emblematic of the war against dissent wielded by Russian authorities insure the country, in parallel to their abuse war in Ukraine,” said Tanya Lokshina, an associate director for Human Rights Watch’s Europe and Central Asia division.

“It is particularly poignant that Skobov had spent years in a Soviet prison for having exercised his freedom of opinion all those years back – and over four decades later the history is repeating itself,” she added.

Russia has launched an unprecedented crackdown on dissent since the start of its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, a campaign that has reached into nearly every corner of society.

The independent Russian outlet Proekt estimated in 2024 that the scale of repression under the Putin regime had surpassed that of the Soviet leaders Nikita Khrushchev and Leonid Brezhnev, persecuting at least 116,000 people over the past six years alone.

The Skobov case also suggests that Moscow has no intention of easing repression at home against those who oppose the war – even as the Kremlin claims to be pursuing peace talks over the conflict in Ukraine.

In recent weeks, Russian authorities have detained a string of citizens who have criticised the war, ranging from a film critic to a pensioner and several regional journalists. Each is facing long spells in prison for social media posts condemning Putin’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
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It certainly seems reasonable that if Trump removed his envoy Kellogg and replaced him with a naïve sounding Putin simp, there seems be a very ill starred effort to woo Trump with the 40 pieces of silver of the chance for US companies to invest in Russia. It's on Tucker's Youtube, but I'm not watching Trump envoy verbally felch the Russian dictator. I hope HUR give attention to the loaf sniffer Carlson even if it enrages Trump and that troon MTG.

Interviewed by Tucker Carlson for his YouTube show, Steve Witkoff, Donald Trump’s special envoy, spoke in barely concealed admiration of Russian President Vladimir Putin following their meetings in Moscow. His positive view of the Kremlin’s leader was only matched by Carlson’s description of Witkoff as “the most effective American diplomat in a generation.”

Talking about his two meetings with Putin on Feb. 11 and March 13, Witkoff said “I liked him. I think he was honest with me.”

Carlson said that assessment was shared by “all the presidents in the world” including Joe Biden: “They may not agree with what Russia is doing, but they say: ‘You know, Putin is an open person,’” Carlson said.

Witkoff, in response to criticism of the bilateral meetings with Russia, said that as the “president’s emissary” he had been tasked with attempts to restore [US-Russian] relations and to start productive discussion on “how to end this conflict.”

It's a complicated situation, this war, and all the components that led to it. You know, it's never just one person who's right.

He said that Putin had criticized the Biden administration’s refusal to enter in dialogue. “President Putin said to me at our first meeting: ‘How do we resolve a conflict with the head of a major nuclear power if we don’t establish trust and good relations with each other? … I haven’t spoken to Joe Biden in three and a half years’,” Witkoff said.


As ceasefire talks unfold, Washington appears to be leveraging cybersecurity and intelligence-sharing as diplomatic tools – potentially exposing Ukraine and NATO to Russian hybrid warfare.
He summed up his meetings with Putin as the first steps in what will become “a good, healthy conversation” between the two countries saying: “President Putin, to his credit, has sent every signal to President Trump that this is the path he wants to take.”

In addition to describing Putin as “not a bad person,” Witkoff said: “It’s a complicated situation, this war, and all the components that led to it. You know, it’s never just one person who’s right.”

Witkoff added that after the July 13 assassination attempt against Trump, Putin went to church and prayed for him: “… not because he could be the president of the United States, but because they had a friendship, and he prayed for his friend.” He added telling Trump of this, “He [Trump] was clearly touched.”

If there is a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia the consensus is that Ukraine cannot be a member of NATO.

He added that Putin told him Kursk wasn’t the only instance where his troops had surrounded and isolated Kyiv’s forces.

“President Putin told me that: ‘… the Ukrainians have people trapped there [Kursk]’... he then asked: ‘What should I do in this or that area where we have people surrounded and they don’t want to surrender? Should I kill them? How can I make them surrender? I’m happy not to kill everyone. I’m happy to make people wave a white flag if I can make them.’”

Asked about Ukraine’s aspiration to join NATO (and Moscow’s declaration this would be an unacceptable red line) or failing that to at least be offered “Article 5 protection,” Witkoff said:

“I think [Ukraine’s president] Zelensky and his right-hand man Yermak, have pretty much accepted that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. There has been a lot of talk about whether they could have Article 5 protection… from the US or from European countries without being a member of NATO? I think that’s open to debate… but… If there is a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia the consensus is that Ukraine cannot be a member of NATO.”

If the world recognizes these [five regions] as Russian territories, will this end [the war] and will Zelensky survive politically if he recognizes this?

Asked by Carlson about European fears that if Russia “wins” in Ukraine Putin would “want to march on Europe,” Witkoff simply replied “100% no.” He then went further saying he didn’t believe Moscow wanted to “absorb” the whole of Ukraine:

“… The Russians have what they want: They got back these five regions. They have Crimea. They got what they wanted. So what else do they want?” He then went on to say that the main ongoing problem to resolving the war is the issue of [the occupied] territories.

In another echo of the Kremlin propaganda line Witkoff said that the “Russian speaking residents” of these regions [Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson] had overwhelmingly indicated they wanted to be part of the Russian Federation in referendums – a process that most of the world thinks were not only illegal but were held under occupation, subject to coercion (sometimes at gunpoint) and falsification in the absence of independent observers.

He then mentioned, what he called “the elephant in the room” - Ukrainian constitutional issues that prevented the ceding of territories despite being under de facto Russian control and then asked the question: “If the world recognizes these [five regions] as Russian territories, will this end [the war] and will Zelensky survive politically if he recognizes this?”

Needless to say, international media and analysts expressed concern (in the case of Ukrainian media outrage) that Witkoff’s commentary seemed to spout almost verbatim Putin’s avowed red lines for peace, was filled with half-truths and reiterated many of “Moscow’s lies.”

In particular, his assertion that the remaining obstacle to peace was the future of (and Kyiv’s agreement to give up) the occupied territories. He seemed to suggest that these should remain as part of Russia, including by implication, those parts of the contested regions that remain under Ukrainian control. In general, comments on Ukrainian social media expressed fears for the country’s future as the US continues to “hand over the keys to the kingdom” before negotiations proper have even started.
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Bankrupt Irish builder turned shill politician (pink shirt and dishevelled) and beside him in the Palestinian scarf is commiefornian tankie shill Jackson Hinkle. Both are foul commie shills and hopefully HUR / Israel / KSA / USA have something for them on the action end of a drone.
 
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>They got back Austria. They have the Sudetenland. they got what they wanted. So what else do they want?
Exactly; Russia will have what they want so there is no reason not to let Ukraine join NATO.


Bankrupt Irish builder turned shill politician (pink shirt and dishevelled) and beside him in the Palestinian scarf is commiefornian tankie shill Jackson Hinkle. Both are foul commie shills and hopefully HUR / Israel / KSA / USA have something for them on the action end of a drone.
Where are Mossad's missile strikes when you really need one?
 
Still kinda heavy, but this time rocking 30mm 'nades which should be more effective, assuming they actually work, and Barrett at least is promising multiple different types (again assuming they actually work)
I'd probably go with Barrett as my preference, since they've got a lot of experience with large-caliber semi-auto systems.
With next to no HE rounds made for service rifles from the adoption of the cartridge through to today (of course with a few exceptions) in pretty much the whole world, the declaration sort of lied in wait until it could bite the XM25 in the ass.
Yeah, and despite the fact that we had some of our own in use during the Civil War, the Russians didn't invite us, even though they invited pretty much everyone else.
The nations represented were Austria-Hungary, Bavaria, Belgium, Denmark, France, United Kingdom (representing the British Empire), Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Persia, Portugal, Prussia and the North German Confederation (i.e., Greater Prussia), Russia, Sweden-Norway, Switzerland, the Ottoman Empire, and Württemberg. The United States, not considered a major power at the time, was not invited and took no part in the convention. Baden and Brazil ratified the agreement in 1869.
Imagine asking the fucking Greeks and Wuerttemberg to show up but ignoring the guys with a populated landmass twice as big as France and still half a continent to claim and fill up.

Its not like Russia itself was a continent-spanning power at that time considering Vladivostok was just a small military outpost in 1860, and a couple of British ships had even beaten the Russians to visiting the bay it sits on in 1855. It wouldn't even be formally declared a city until 1880, by which point California had been a state for three decades.
 
I was watching some videos by Suchomimus and it seems the Ukrainians blew up a bunch of Russian stuff lately. I heard they hit a KH-01 missile storage site.
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They must have been topped off recently and preparing another Russian chimpout on civilians as whatever storage/ preparation facility they were housed in looks like melted aluminum.

Ukr landmime gets tampered with by a gaggle of ziggers with expected results:

 
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They must have been topped off recently and preparing another Russian chimpout on civilians as whatever storage/ preparation facility they were housed in looks like melted aluminum.

Ukr landmime gets tampered with by a gaggle of ziggers with expected results:

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It looks like a bunch of those buildings got hit.

That must not have been much of a landmine because they seem ok.
 
That must not have been much of a landmine because they seem ok.
No way man. They probably got some severe internal injuries and a bit of shrapnel. People looked like that all the time during Iraq and Afghanistan for a couple minutes before the internal bleeding or organ failure got them. Happens a lot in auto accidents where crash victims walk around for a bit before collapsing.
 
No way man. They probably got some severe internal injuries and a bit of shrapnel. People looked like that all the time during Iraq and Afghanistan for a couple minutes before the internal bleeding or organ failure got them. Happens a lot in auto accidents where crash victims walk around for a bit before collapsing.
I expected that to be kind of instant because you know movies.
 
Ukr landmime gets tampered with by a gaggle of ziggers with expected results:
Blyat comes at you fast.

I am very shocked there is anyone left for him to argue with given that's an AT mine they are fucking with.
 
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I'd probably go with Barrett as my preference, since they've got a lot of experience with large-caliber semi-auto systems.

Yeah, and despite the fact that we had some of our own in use during the Civil War, the Russians didn't invite us, even though they invited pretty much everyone else.

Imagine asking the fucking Greeks and Wuerttemberg to show up but ignoring the guys with a populated landmass twice as big as France and still half a continent to claim and fill up.

Its not like Russia itself was a continent-spanning power at that time considering Vladivostok was just a small military outpost in 1860, and a couple of British ships had even beaten the Russians to visiting the bay it sits on in 1855. It wouldn't even be formally declared a city until 1880, by which point California had been a state for three decades.
They didn't invite the U.S because at the time it wasn't a world power and was still recovering from a bloody civil war. Land mass and population density doesn't translate directly to military might. You also have to remember that the U.S didn't have the means to project itself in to European wars with domestic/NA issues already going on nor did it have the will to. The declaration was aimed at European countries and their allies as it was 100 times more likely a Russian would be shooting at a Prussian than an American. What the U.S got up to was their own business and Russia couldn't care less. (until 1905)
Veteran commentators are not happy with the new Special Envoy Witkoff
With him being the Kellogg replacement I wonder if Trump just likes to replace people with someone who won't object to ideas no matter how bad they may be. I know this isn't a new take on all of this but Witkoff seems to be, at least publicly, similar to Trump in terms of Ukraine and wanting to make Russia seem like a potential ally. With him dismissing UK ideas as posturing and saying he thinks Putin is a decent guy that is "super smart". He also has been sharing info about Putin to (I'm guessing) make him look like a decent person by telling press that Putin apparently went to Church and prayed for his friend Donald Trump after he was nearly killed. This isn't an impossibility but it's just an odd thing to drop unless you're trying to get across this down to earth well meaning countryman image to the public.
 
They didn't invite the U.S because at the time it wasn't a world power
Lack of interest was the reason the U.S. wasn't a world power, not the lack of ability. Same England who had concluded in 1860 that Canada was a write off if the United States decided to take it. As there's wasn't any way England could get the necessary men and material over there in time. And without risking the inevitability of one or more of the continental powers taking a backshot at England while it is distracted.
and was still recovering from a bloody civil war. Land mass and population density doesn't translate directly to military might.
United States had about ten million more people than England after the American Civil War. The American Civil War proved that assessment wrong as both sides were fielding and equipping armies rivaling any of the world powers.
You also have to remember that the U.S didn't have the means to project itself in to European wars with domestic/NA issues already going on nor did it have the will to.
United States didn't have the political and military will or interest of projecting itself into European squabbles in the Old World. While the United States certainly had the capability if U.S. Congress was willing to authorize and fund it.
Moreso when U.S. and England already had agreements where the United States would stay on their side of the pond while England would stay on their side of the pond.
The declaration was aimed at European countries and their allies as it was 100 times more likely a Russian would be shooting at a Prussian than an American. What the U.S got up to was their own business and Russia couldn't care less. (until 1905)
United States, and Russia very much had contact and business debating what would be the Oregon Territory along with England starting around the mid 1800ies until the Alaska was sold to the United States.
 
I wonder if Trump just likes to replace people with someone who won't object to ideas no matter how bad they may be
That's Trump's MO. Many of his picks are extremely incompetent with their only qualification being their complete subservience to Trump. It's ironically why this current administration has been dogged by failures and scandals and why he has been so ineffective at accomplishing anything productive. An intelligent politician with a plan, like Putin, could wield the power Trump has to enact sweeping changes across all of society, while Trump gets bogged down in sideshows, destroying this or that useful office, without being able to make anything of his own.
He loves Putin, so he puts Russian assets like Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel and Steve Witkoff in key positions.
Tucker Carlson, a person who produces Russian propaganda, openly on behalf of the Russian government, incessantly spreads anti-Western and pro-Russian lies, is an honoured guest in the White House and on friendly terms with other pro-Russian agents, like Elon Musk and of course most notably the rabidly pro-Putin Donald Trump.

As others pointed out, it would be difficult to imagine what Trump could possibly do to help Russia more than he currently does, without risking an open revolt by the entire US establishment.

MAGA is at its core an anti-American movement, and their views are based entirely on social media campaigns, since they skew heavily towards being uneducated and unintelligent (possibly why Trump goes after the Department of Education). Due to this, it wasn't difficult for foreign actors to highjack their sole source of information about the world, proprietary anonymous algorithms, to feed them information and perspectives that serve the ends of these hostile foreign powers. MAGA influencers are some of the biggest niggercattle. They run with whatever their social media feeds give them, while the operators of the botfarms that push content hold their strings.
Since MAGA itself relies on a fake version of reality to win support, they are unwilling to admit that these processes exist at all, so they cannot ever defend against them, and in fact Trump is in the process of dismantling US intelligence groups tasked with monitoring and countering hostile foreign information attacks.

You can see MAGAposters in this thread constantly spam nonsense they copy paste directly from Russian botnets too, they act like deranged lunatics because being a lunatic moron is a pre-condition for being MAGA.
Everybody who subscribes to MAGA is either a moron or a lunatic. Once you understand that, a lot of stuff makes sense.
 
Because there is 40+ years of retarded foreign spending that has enabled embedded parasites to continue to glut themselves on tax dollars and the only way to keep them from trying to protect their little fiefdoms is to burn everything.
Trump tried the targeted approach last time, got stymied, so this time he's using a sledgehammer.

There should have been a better plan to rehydrate stuff that does work, but people act like this this shit comes out of nowhere when its been a long,long time coming.
Is there anything Trump could do or say that'd make you stop sucking him?
 
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