AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[Castoreum]

I’m an independent artist with 20 years of experience. AI advancements excite me because they enhance my creative process, not replace it. The latest DALL-E update is impressive, especially in how it can almost adhere perfectly to self-made model sheets (relative to older models, anyway).

I've tried collaborating with online artists before, but most groups end up dividing into exclusive, elitist cliques where one wrong word can (and will) get you pushed out. Maybe I’ve had bad luck or maybe I have bad taste in people, but it’s a common experience. People love pretending they have power.

AI has made it easier for individuals to pursue projects without relying on others. While image and animation generation isn’t perfect, it’s removing significant legwork for those who know how to use it and manually edit effectively.

I’m excited for the future of this tech. It's funny to see these same artists lose their minds over it. Most of them are mediocre, copying styles or stuck in fan art. They’re afraid AI will expose their lack of vision and skill, which is pretty laughable.

It seems I’m part of the minority of artists excited for tools that make my workload easier. But I wonder... Has anyone else felt like AI not only threatens careers but also the fake social connections people build around their art?

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

I am not pleased with the Ghibli fad, not because I hate AI. I use Fotor, but ever since they released 3 Ghibli filters a few days ago, the site has since been flooded with pajeets and pajeetas spamming the site to make what seems like every photo and image they have into some worthless Ghibli-fied shit. It's really bad, because I look at their "Latest" tab, and I can see every minute there are dozens and dozens of new accounts popping up to create 2 to 4 ugly images.

Why is this an issue? Everything becomes unstable so fuck these pajeets to hell and back.

I do wonder if this is something self-inflicted by someone at Fotor though. These pajeet accounts always do images in twos each time, and all of them signed up a day before. They all make pics of the same ratio and size, and the pics are all similar in terms of pose and style. I smell bot - Fotor may have purchased the services of some pajeet sweatshop to artificially inflate the usage count of their new stuff...

ETA:

Spoiler: WHY THE FUCK WOULD A PAJEET TRY TO ADD AI EFFECTS TO THIS SHIT?"

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Are you really expressing yourself creatively if you're having a computer draw it for you?

Yes.
"It's not real art- It's digital art. You're making it with a computer, you're not an artist. You're not supporting your local art scene by buying paint and canvas, it's not real art. You're not an artist. You're using manmade objects to depict nature, trivializing the struggle of art. You're using paint and canvas instead of what nature gives you, it's not real art. I draw on the underside of foraged Artists' Mushrooms with a stick, I'm a real artist and the rest of you are fakers. Real art comes from inside the mind and can't be adequately expressed to other people who aren't you by portraying it in physical reality, nobody is an artist- there are only autists."

 

[The Lawgiver]

I’m an independent artist with 20 years of experience. AI advancements excite me because they enhance my creative process, not replace it. The latest DALL-E update is impressive, especially in how it can almost adhere perfectly to self-made model sheets (relative to older models, anyway).

I've tried collaborating with online artists before, but most groups end up dividing into exclusive, elitist cliques where one wrong word can (and will) get you pushed out. Maybe I’ve had bad luck or maybe I have bad taste in people, but it’s a common experience. People love pretending they have power.

AI has made it easier for individuals to pursue projects without relying on others. While image and animation generation isn’t perfect, it’s removing significant legwork for those who know how to use it and manually edit effectively.

I’m excited for the future of this tech. It's funny to see these same artists lose their minds over it. Most of them are mediocre, copying styles or stuck in fan art. They’re afraid AI will expose their lack of vision and skill, which is pretty laughable.

It seems I’m part of the minority of artists excited for tools that make my workload easier. But I wonder... Has anyone else felt like AI not only threatens careers but also the fake social connections people build around their art?

I've had chatbots trained partly off my own out of context posts and some homestuck character's dialogue come up with genuinely kind of coherent ideas of shit to draw the last few times I've messed with them.
example 1
example 2
Wish I could capture these concepts they presented a bit better but it was genuinely a fun time. I don't think I'd use ai to remove legwork because I'm the kind of person who can't be satisfied from ai generations image wise if I'm looking for a specific thing even if it's based on one of the images I drew as the base of it. HAVE used image generators to try and formulate how some really out there concepts might approximately look at times though.

 

[Whatevermancer]

It's not real art- It's digital art. You're making it with a computer

 

[Nick Gars]

I’m excited for the future of this tech. It's funny to see these same artists lose their minds over it. Most of them are mediocre, copying styles or stuck in fan art. They’re afraid AI will expose their lack of vision and skill, which is pretty laughable.

I'm of the opinion that the vast, vast majority of AI derangement boils down to this. Lowest common denominator faggots upset that they can't coast off of being a nobody with mediocre skills at best because even a gimped AI on a hallucination spree does a better job. As you said, AI is an enhancement because of the sheer amount of bullshit work it helps cut out when used the way it should be, aka as a tool. Character designs, sprite sheets, fucking everything involved with game development is painfully time consuming, especially so if you're doing it alone. AI lets it be a realistic possibility when you're not spending 12 fucking hours making 2 animation frames from complete scratch.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

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Real art comes from inside the mind and can't be adequately expressed to other people who aren't you by portraying it in physical reality, nobody is an artist- there are only autists.

The point is that it is retarded pedantry to try and make distinctions between what is art or what is self expression because it is all rooted in subjective perspective and entertainment.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I’m an independent artist with 20 years of experience. AI advancements excite me because they enhance my creative process, not replace it. The latest DALL-E update is impressive, especially in how it can almost adhere perfectly to self-made model sheets (relative to older models, anyway).

I've tried collaborating with online artists before, but most groups end up dividing into exclusive, elitist cliques where one wrong word can (and will) get you pushed out. Maybe I’ve had bad luck or maybe I have bad taste in people, but it’s a common experience. People love pretending they have power.

AI has made it easier for individuals to pursue projects without relying on others. While image and animation generation isn’t perfect, it’s removing significant legwork for those who know how to use it and manually edit effectively.

I’m excited for the future of this tech. It's funny to see these same artists lose their minds over it. Most of them are mediocre, copying styles or stuck in fan art. They’re afraid AI will expose their lack of vision and skill, which is pretty laughable.

It seems I’m part of the minority of artists excited for tools that make my workload easier. But I wonder... Has anyone else felt like AI not only threatens careers but also the fake social connections people build around their art?

Thank you for your perspective. I'm welcome to others, too.

Honestly, the studio Ghlibi, whatever its name is, has made a lot of those "COMMISSIONS OPEN/CLOSED | Minors DNI | Move to BSKY" Twitter handles go apeshit. Particularly fetish artists, those who shouldn't deserve the time of day. Now, I don't like using the excuse of "envy", yet it truly seems like it is that being applied here. I'm sure there are few, and I do mean truly few passionate artists who are perhaps concerned at best, because they worry for their craft. And I mean those who create paintings that soothe the soul, not smut.

For those who despise AI only because it will "take away their easy money glitch", well, there's a good video which speaks about it, yet it is incredibly long:

Oh, yeah, and before I forget - to those artists to those who still won't listen, but still a great argument against them:

Spoiler: Please listen to reason

 

[linchan]

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>Hates AI
>Furry
>Coomer
Every single fucking time.

 

[invisibult plus+]

 

[Whatevermancer]

>Hates AI
>Furry
>Coomer
Every single fucking time.

 

[Coolio55]

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Irony of ironies, the train is also furry coomers.
Who the fuck do you think trains them to replicate specific porn artists?

 

[Fagnacious D]

Are you really expressing yourself creatively if you're having a computer draw it for you?

Everything is considered art and the ways people express themselves are limitless
I mean Jackson Pollock paintings are considered art

The work called "Comedian" which is a banana taped to a wall is also considered artwork (sold for $120,000 according to wikipedia)

A Urinal? oh sure, that is art as well (made/found by Marcel Duchamp and submitted under the name R. Mutt)

Fractal art has been considered art for a long time - even if it is computer generated.

It looks like the biggest different is that the AI is able to generate half-way decent representational art instead of patterns of colors.

 

[Runch]

In other news, there's this video from the artist LavenderTowne where she draws a number of pics and then Nightshades them to utterly destroy and pwn all AI generators (again, for those in the back: Nightshade doesn't fucking work and you're also literally using the AI you hate so much in order to apply the perturbations):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTqlSunIolI

LavenderTowne has made a follow up to this video, seething about the replies she got:

She can't find any "reputable sources" saying Glaze and Nightshade don't work, because when she Googles it she finds endlessly regurgitated articles spewing Nightshade's breathless press statements. You're not going to find a high profile scientific/research source that wasted their time and money officially proving it's snake oil, when it's nearly obvious on its face.

I would just say fine, go ahead and Nightshade all day long, it's your time to waste, except that it's actually wasteful in ways that regular gen AI is not, since it doesn't produce anything that people want to look at. And it's not helpful to anyone to promote attitudes that stubbornly believe in this stuff. They'll probably go to their graves thinking it really was working and they just didn't do it hard enough.

Also she trots out all the same tired talking points like "well NFTs burned out so AI will too lol"

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

LavenderTowne has made a follow up to this video, seething about the replies she got:

She can't find any "reputable sources" saying Glaze and Nightshade don't work, because when she Googles it she finds endlessly regurgitated articles spewing Nightshade's breathless press statements. You're not going to find a high profile scientific/research source that wasted their time and money officially proving it's snake oil, when it's nearly obvious on its face.

I would just say fine, go ahead and Nightshade all day long, it's your time to waste, except that it's actually wasteful in ways that regular gen AI is not, since it doesn't produce anything that people want to look at. And it's not helpful to anyone to promote attitudes that stubbornly believe in this stuff. They'll probably go to their graves thinking it really was working and they just didn't do it hard enough.

Also she trots out all the same tired talking points like "well NFTs burned out so AI will too lol"

I think this person is a ShortFatOtaku, but somehow yet more insufferable than he is, which is - dare I fucking say QUITE A FUCKING FEATURE.
"THEY'RE MAD, HOHOHO, I SURE SHOWED 'EM!" - while in reality is: "NOOOOOO, STFU, STFU STFU!!!! I GOT TO OWN THE TROLLS!!!".

This is just pathetic, really. I wonder when will people like this just die. And I mean just go extinct, the world would be a happier place with this type of person parading around the internet.

 

[Colon capital V]

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Porn is not """real art""". Much like a tranny pretending (and failing) to be a woman, there is nothing more vapid and meaningless than drawing your shitty Xitter tier anatomy all for the sake of fulfilling lizard brain urges; literal retard-tier instincts. Porn artists absolutely deserves ZERO respect or admiration for this alone (on top of grooming an entire generation to have autistic fetishes, intentional or not), and AI porn is the Nexus point of fulfilling lizard brain urges, just without all the whining and bitching and DEMANDING that some dipshit retard artist deserves money and recognition for their detriment to society.

Making porn is one of the most pathetic, kiked, unrespectful things you could do as an """artist""" and they should all kill themselves, in real life, not in Minecraft.

 

[Whatevermancer]

AI porn is the Nexus point of fulfilling lizard brain urges

Glad that we both agree that AI is bad, even if it's for different reasons.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

even if it's for different reasons.

Look, go ask around to some actual professional industry artists or creatives and you'll pretty quickly find that to them, AI is and always was just another tool, the same as when computers revolutionized the industry decades prior. Bottom line is that AI is not going anywhere, even hypothetical litigation is only temporary. The technology has been uncovered, it's here to stay and will be a part of society from this point forwards.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Bottom line is that AI is not going anywhere, even hypothetical litigation is only temporary. The technology has been uncovered, it's here to stay and will be a part of society from this point forwards.

Oh, there's no doubt in that. If I need an illustration or a logo for my business, I can just use AI, no need to hire an artist. Artist can use it to "enhance" his creative process after he comes home from his job flipping burgers or something.

 

[didelphigina]

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I don't think this is the own they think it is. Drawing your dragon ladies with huge tits is indeed art (in terms of it being drawn), but not real art. It's just art and that's how far of a label it'll go. At least it's not some fetish artist drawing their fattened up character on a random rock and then going "AI BROS OWNED!!!" as if that's totally a good look to do to own them.

None of them know about LoRAs. Someone could make a whole style lora out of "rock art" and post it right on CivitAI. Most likely would be a Flux model, though. There's stuff like Illustrious, NoobAI, the whole bunch. With how much LoRAs have improved over the years, people can recreate these sort of things without much trouble. Is it worrying? Probably. But that's the goal of a LoRA. To replicate a style, texture, practically anything.

She can't find any "reputable sources" saying Glaze and Nightshade don't work, because when she Googles it she finds endlessly regurgitated articles spewing Nightshade's breathless press statements. You're not going to find a high profile scientific/research source that wasted their time and money officially proving it's snake oil, when it's nearly obvious on its face.

They really love putting those quotation marks whenever they say AI artists. Just call them AI distributors or something.

You really think anyone in the art community gonna care about whether it's effective or not? Of course they'll glaze any anti-AI method and pretend it's gonna totally destroy the SLOP when it's only taking out a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the number of AI stuff there is out there on the internet.

As I said in earlier pages, these guys have a very minimal understanding toward AI other than the generalized statements of it and the people using it for their content farm and cost cutting purposes. So to them, anyone who's into AI is a drooling techbro from Silicon Valley or the next spawn of Satan or something when the percentage of people who use AI are practically this:

- 50% for porn
- 40% for cookie cutter, "disney pixar style" or "SUPER REALISTIC REALISM" purposes
- 5% for actual use cases
- 5% for using it as a "supporter" in creative media creation

But that's just my hypothesized estimation.