AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

FILTH Tourist said:
I would bump that number WAY up it is more like 70%... or 90% if we are counting stuff not published.
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Fair. CivitAI's a huge example of that 70-90%, really.

If people aren't posting their spams of AI porn all over galleries then they're definitely keeping it all over their storage drive.

FILTH Tourist said:
I would bump that number up to 15% AI art is becoming more and more common in game development.
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Huh, yeah. Forgot about that. But I wonder the percentage of it actually being utilized for helpful measures or to cut costs on things in a non being-able-to-keep-good-things-under-a-tight-budget way.
 
didelphigina said:
I don't think this is the own they think it is. Drawing your dragon ladies with huge tits is indeed art (in terms of it being drawn), but not real art. It's just art and that's how far of a label it'll go. At least it's not some fetish artist drawing their fattened up character on a random rock and then going "AI BROS OWNED!!!" as if that's totally a good look to do to own them.

None of them know about LoRAs. Someone could make a whole style lora out of "rock art" and post it right on CivitAI. Most likely would be a Flux model, though. There's stuff like Illustrious, NoobAI, the whole bunch. With how much LoRAs have improved over the years, people can recreate these sort of things without much trouble. Is it worrying? Probably. But that's the goal of a LoRA. To replicate a style, texture, practically anything.
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It is an own. You take away a digital artist's computer, and he'll able to draw even when all he has is sticks and stones. You take away an AI artist's computer, what will he do? Ask an artist he knows to draw "renaissance painting of a woman with big breasts, high resolution, Artstation featured"?

Your casual AI artist doesn't know about LORAs, either. And most likely doesn't host the AI on his own computer.
Inco G. Nito said:
Uncreative people can't make creative things. Your proposal of AI 20XX where everything will be unimaginative AI slop and industry creatives will be flipping burgers instead of being creatives is absurd and you know it too.
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You said that anything can be art, so typing prompts can also be creative.
Also I believe that people only pretend that they appreciate creativity, but in reality they don't. They want to see beautiful things, familiar things, they want to hear stories of how the good guys beat the bad guys for the 9000th time. Why do you think proompters generate so many images of skimpily-dressed women with big boobs?
Yes, they can be creative in their free time, after doing their uncreative jobs that put food on the table. Cause there won't be enough creative jobs to go around.
 
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didelphigina said:
Forgot about that. But I wonder the percentage of it actually being utilized for helpful measures or to cut costs on things in a non being-able-to-keep-good-things-under-a-tight-budget way.
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Outside of shovelware (which abuse AI like hell) I am starting to see AI images for background props like posters in Ready or Not. The modding scene for Starsector also uses a lot of AI for portraits, planet images, and sometimes even ships which look pretty cool.
 
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Hardline Traditionalist said:
Your casual AI artist doesn't know about LORAs, either. And most likely doesn't host the AI on his own computer.
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Got me there on that one. I forget most people who use AI don't use it locally. A lot of the time when one tries to, they're usually lost or end up staying on the generator sites. I guess I'm lucky my computer's graphics card is strong enough to handle it locally.

Hardline Traditionalist said:
It is an own. You take away a digital artist's computer, and he'll able to draw even when all he has is sticks and stones. You take away an AI artist's computer, what will he do? Ask an artist he knows to draw "renaissance painting of a woman with big breasts, high resolution, Artstation featured"?
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That is true. But I mean it in the own of showing that to a total normie. I believe it's more of an own if they made something actually interesting with it other than some dragon tits. That's just me, though.

Just gives me slight remembrance to those furries who'd ramble about the evils of capitalism on the same account where they post NTR stuff or something, so I'm playing a bit of bias. Apologies right there.
 
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Hardline Traditionalist said:
You said that anything can be art, so typing prompts can also be creative.
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They absolutely can be. But a feature length film consisting of nothing but big titty anime girls standing in various rural environments isn't going to be putting food on anybody's table. Or at the very least not at any scale competitive to the industry at large.
Hardline Traditionalist said:
Also I believe that people only pretend that they appreciate creativity, but in reality they don't. They want to see beautiful things, familiar things, they want to hear stories of how the good guys beat the bad guys for the 9000th time.
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How does this statement change at all over AI? It doesn't. This sentiment applies to a stagnant, fully non-ai entertainment industry the same as it would a fully AI powered industry.
Hardline Traditionalist said:
Yes, they can be creative in their free time, after doing their uncreative jobs that put food on the table. Cause there won't be enough creative jobs to go around.
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Putting the power to summon ideas into fruition out of effectively thin air into people's hands apparently makes less creative jobs than having to bring every creative's idea to fruition manually using a backing of money, artists, actors, effects engineers, coordinators, time, programmers, etc. Somehow. Here's a fun thing you can do: Replace every AI related talking point with CGI and then consider how it overtook practical effects in the movie industry. And then state with confidence that CGI is killing or will kill off creative's jobs because it's lowering the bar over what was needed to make puppets and sets and matte paintings. You know, 'real artistry'.
 
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Inco G. Nito said:
But a feature length film consisting of nothing but big titty anime girls standing in various rural environments isn't going to be putting food on anybody's table. Or at the very least not at any scale competitive to the industry at large.
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I didn't say it would.
Inco G. Nito said:
How does this statement change at all over AI? It doesn't. This sentiment applies to a stagnant, fully non-ai entertainment industry the same as it would a fully AI powered industry.
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You're arguing that people want creativity, I'm arguing that they don't. The fact that this uncreative movie industry still hasn't collapsed is proof of that.
Inco G. Nito said:
Putting the power to summon ideas into fruition out of effectively thin air into people's hands apparently makes less creative jobs than having to bring every creative's idea to fruition manually using a backing of money, artists, actors, effects engineers, coordinators, time, programmers, etc. Somehow.
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Well, yes. If I can just summon a movie out of thin air, why would I need actors or artists or cameramen?
Inco G. Nito said:
Replace every AI related talking point with CGI and then consider how it overtook practical effects in the movie industry. And then state with confidence that CGI is killing or will kill off creative's jobs because it's lowering the bar over what was needed to make puppets and sets and matte paintings
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Do you have stats on that? Cause I would expect a lot of people that used to design and build animatronics to have lost their jobs to CGI. And if you want to argue "yes, but the amount of new workplaces created was the same or even higher", I doubt it. People have a finite amount of free time that they can spend watching cinema, so even if there are more movies coming out, the amount of movies actually succeeding will be the same, the studios making failing movies will have to shutdown eventually, and those workplaces will be lost.
 
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Inco G. Nito said:
It brings a tear to my eye. Watching retards screech over a battle they literally cannot win lmao. Also lmao at the effective accelerationists. I always hated athiest faggots that peddle their religion, masquerading it as science. Science is the study of the material world. Science cannot tell you anything about post-material concepts. Just proof that theism will never go away. Or people who claim to understand consciousness (not the state of being awake, I mean qualia), or claim we know literally anything about it. With what our currently primitive AIs are capable of without 'consciousness', I see no reason why even animals have to be conscious to explain their behaviors, feats and capabilities. No animals are inventing new things or expressing behaviors outside of pre-existing stimulus they are exposed to. The only reason consciousness is even a concept being discussed is because everyone has it, knows they have it, and yet have no way to communicate what it is or properly explain it beyond the mutual understanding of it. In a world of objective realities, consciousness is the only truly subjective thing that exists, and amusingly is a prerequisite to experiencing the objective world in the first place. When you consider your brain, senses, and understandings can be fallible, consciousness becomes the only truly objective thing you are subjectively sure of. Which is to say: who fucking cares lmao we're all going to die anyways just enjoy life
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Untrue. Seek the path of the psychonaut, engage in psychedelic drugs, devote your autism to drawfaggotry like how this mentally sound individual has practiced his passion for a certain rapper who... erm...
 
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Mike Matei's Penis said:

I can't believe I used to watch and enjoy this retard. (TBH his CoD reviews were ok in the past... I promise)
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I tapped out after his AI Minecraft take. The tech demo is impressive because it demonstrates it can create (mostly) consistent animation and even add mechanics. Sure it has less memory than a dementia patient and running it at 720p, let alone 1080p would fry any consumer GPU on the market, but it is a major step in image gen AI.
 
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Hardline Traditionalist said:
Are you really expressing yourself creatively if you're having a computer draw it for you?
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Could be.
Is it still writing if you use a keyboard or speech-to-text device? You still have the ideas, you're still the source, the method of putting it into a tangible thing is what varies. You'll never be able to execute it with the precision as you would if you'd actually physically draw it yourself, but then again, that is still better than just being unable to express it in any way.

I see it as no different to using a 3d modeling program & 3d printer to print out scale models that are easier to assemble for someone with impaired motor functions (doesn't solve the issue of painting the models but again, something is better than nothing). Or a program that you can use to make soundtracks/beats instead of having to play an instrument.
 
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On CivitAI, they replaced their mascot, Civbot, with an anime girl called Civchan for April Fools', Considering the user-base, I think they'll end up keeping the change.

They also made some controversial changes on the site recently: models can't be run on the website (can still be downloaded) unless people "bid" on it using Buzz, the site's currency.. The more you bid, the higher priority the model gets (meaning faster results) and other users can also join in on the bid. I'm sure you can guess which sorts models get the highest amounts of people bidding on them..
 
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linchan said:
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There are tons of these fuckers around, is anyone actually giving them money? because every time they post a patreon and I checked they got zero followers/paypigs, or maybe like 3-5 at best.

I take those 900 followers are just bots, like most of twatter is now.
linchan said:
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Nina being based as usual.

On a side note civitai just stopped all pretense of not being a bunch of weebs and replaced their generic chat/help bot with this:
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The cringe is strong with this one...
 
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