William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

[Dave's Mailman]

Now Karl can truly put the fries in the bag, for a long time

 

[Bionicle Enthusiast]

YouTube algorithm has shown me this video regarding this event. Guilty on a defamation case? What? He lost, but this is just low effort clickbait.

 

[RogozubEnjoyer]

KING. OF. THE. KONG

Also fuck Karl, tranny loving faggot

 

[Amuro Ray]

MISTER DAY I DONT FEEL SO GOOD

I don't feel particularly bad for him, this whole donkey kong situation is already seven fucking years old and never involved jobst until he necro'd it five years later so he could farm it for drama. I have normie friends who think jobst is some genius investigative journalist who dug this up when in reality he's more like a tabloid journalist trying to milk somebody else's drama to sell displates.

The fact that the judge pretty much had to accept Billy's side as factual because it was not even remotely challenged by Karl and his lawyer is the biggest L that I have seen in a lawsuit for a long time.
Karl brought in the "Billy is a cheater" part because it was supposed to demonstrate that Billy is a cheater, that he is litigious, and that he lies. But all of that is completely irrelevant when you cannot show why you thought ApolloLegend paid a "large sum of money" to Billy. That statement was at the core of the lawsuit and Karl had nothing. I do not understand that. His lawyer should have KNOWN they could not win with that defense.

the funny thing is, if their positions were swapped so that Jobst was suing Mitchell for defamation it would probably have ended with him being ordered to pay sanctions as punishment for wasting everybody's time. American judges have a reputation for not taking defamation seriously because the 1st amendment + state anti-slapp laws + burden of proof always being on the plaintiff + needing to prove the defamation was a deliberate act result in defamation cases having an extremely high mortality rate (no pun intended). And even though defamation definitely is something you can sue over and win on in america, he might just just strike it down to spite you if he's of a libertarian bent.

I think the judge is wrong, but it was on Karl to prove that in court. And he did not.

There's no reason to think mitchell is responsible for the suicide. Legend left behind a suicide video about why he was killing himself. He's about to die so he has no reason to abide by the terms of his settlement with mitchell, yet he still did not mention him once. And I also remember that Legend wasn't a very popular guy in the speedrunning community before he became an hero because he made click-baity drama vids very similar to Jobst's vids, and it was drawing too much attention from people like Metokur and keemstar who are only interested in laughing at all the drama and not the gameplay.

 

[errforceonezz]

Rwhitegoose weighs in. Vagueposts about knowings more and “one day, when I finish my memoirs… all will be told.” Heavily implies Karl is a liar and owes a debt (metaphorically) still.
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Kinda gay. But at least he can take some satisfaction from this judgement.

I always liked goose, and when the trannies took over speedrunning and cancelled him he was forced to become very apolitical. It was sad but I dont resent him for that. He has a normie friendly channel now that makes him more money then his based but autistic speedlore content ever could have.
I remember karl made a video one time about how he never really knew goose well and how they werent ever actually friends, just completely snaked him, it was pretty pathetic.

 

[Retink Retunk]

The comments on the reddit threads i read were also brutally anti jobst. Even on very large subs. A lot of people thought this was about the cheating scores. They're not happy

I didn't follow it closely but I did watch Jobst's videos periodically and I had no idea it was about suicide defamation, and knowing that now he comes off as way worse.

That means his days as a khantent creator may be numbered, which means him paying back the court penalty and debts is gonna take a verrrrrrrry long time.

He's going to have to drink a lot of hot sauce for Billy.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Now Karl can truly put the fries in the bag, for a long time

It would do better than his YT channel. Seriously for how well liked and known he is numbers are bad.

 

[Lancers]

I remember karl made a video one time about how he never really knew goose well and how they werent ever actually friends, just completely snaked him, it was pretty pathetic.

I remember that video too. He was getting called out by trannies over his association with Goose due to Goose's previous statements and he blatantly threw him under the bus to save his own skin. Pathetic.

 

[Captain Manning]

It was part of the defense but Karl's public story made it look like that was the whole case. The judge kind of eviscerated that. He was claiming Billy's reputation was already such shit it couldn't be damaged any further. The judge was basically who cares about that autistic shit, cheating at some gay videogame doesn't mean that being considered to have basically driven someone to suicide wasn't a lot more serious of an accusation.

Whole thing kinda reminds me of the Monty vs. Rekieta lawsuit a bit.

Yeah, there's probably some things you can poke fun at Monty for (his conspiracy theories, for example), but Nick took it way too far. Just like Jobst took it too far with Billy.

 

[Lancers]

It would do better than his YT channel. Seriously for how well liked and known he is numbers are bad.

How so? I see them perform well whenever I would catch one on YouTube. He even showed in one of his lawsuit update vids that he was paying 5 figures to keep this thing going. Is there something I'm missing?

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

There's no reason to think mitchell is responsible for the suicide.

I disagree that there is "no reason to think" that. It does not mean I am right or you must be wrong, but it is not unreasonable to make the inference that all the things that went wrong in Apollo Legend's life in the recent years leading up to his suicide contributed to the decision. That includes getting involved in the Billy drama in general, first as a sweeper, then as an accuser and finally as an unwilling direct participant.

I am not saying Billy intentionally drove him into suicide, which is what the judge decided was what Karl implied. (I think there is zero evidence that it was his goal)
But Apollo lost his friends, viewers and the support of the entire SpeedRunner community when he settled his case. Unfairly so, because cheering on a lawsuit and being the target of one are very different things. Maybe if the community had actually helped him financially to hire decent representation he might still be alive today.

But they did not and he settled because he could not deal with the lawsuit. Everyone abandoned him after that, including people who he considered his friends before.
Billy played a role in that chain of events and he did express joy when his wife falsely told him Apollo Legend had died, prior to the suicide. I think that speaks for itself .

But you could be entirely right and Billy had nothing to do with it. And I don't think holding that opinion is completely unreasonable. (Even if I do not agree)

 

[American Castration]

I disagree that there is "no reason to think" that. It does not mean I am right or you must be wrong, but it is not unreasonable to make the inference that all the things that went wrong in Apollo Legend's life in the recent years leading up to his suicide contributed to the decision. That includes getting involved in the Billy drama in general, first as a sweeper, then as an accuser and finally as an unwilling direct participant.

I am not saying Billy intentionally drove him into suicide, which is what the judge decided was what Karl implied.
But Apollo lost his friends, viewers and the support of the entire SpeedRunner community when he settled his case. Unfairly so, because cheering on a lawsuit and being the target of one are very different things. Maybe if the community had actually helped him financially to hire decent representation he might still be alive today.

But they did not and he settled because he could not deal with the lawsuit. Everyone abandoned him after that, including people who he considered his friends before.
Billy played a role in that chain of events and he did express joy when his wife falsely told him Apollo Legend had died, prior to the suicide. I think that speaks for itself .

But you could be entirely right and Billy had nothing to do with it. And I don't think holding that opinion is completely unreasonable. (Even if I do not agree)

Step back and look at this walltext you need to write to Rube Goldberg your brain into saying anybody but the dead guy is responsible for his own suicide.

In this case, it's even easier because the deceased was Extremely Online, left a suicide note, and had family who gave statements. Billy Mitchell wasn't the motive. (Although I'd actually bet that the Reddit Troons have so much seethe at Billy many of them probably have kys obsessing over him.)

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

I am so glad the Karl "I am losing my own money by not taking sponsorships" Jobst got humbled. Not so much about Mitchell winning, but hey.

Anyone living off of Youtube sponsorships is a whore.

 

[Crispy Jakes]

Rwhitegoose weighs in. Vagueposts about knowings more and “one day, when I finish my memoirs… all will be told.” Heavily implies Karl is a liar and owes a debt (metaphorically) still.

Tag me late but nobody else has mentioned Rwhitegoose since and there's some interesting background some people might not know.

Rwhitegoose and Jobst were friends for over 10 years until some troons tried to ruin both his and Jobst's online careers for the crime of making a couple of slightly edgy jokes in Rwhitegoose's private Discord. Rwhitegoose stood his ground, but Jobst immediately capitulated to the trannies and threw Rwhitegoose under the bus while doing so, stabbing him in the back.

Total Rwhitegoose victory.

 

[American Castration]

Just watched the judgment of this case, but they're making him pay attorney's costs to the plaintiff? Is Australia really so cucked as a country that they punish you for defending yourself in court? How retarded is Jobst for taking a bet on this lawsuit: if he wins he gets a little bit of money and gets to gloat for a week on Youtube, if he loses he literally kills himself because the court orders him to pay 6 million dollars for every time Billy cried about video game scores.

Loser Pays is an excellent system. It encourages settlements thus freeing up courts, and discourages frivolous lawsuits.

If Jobst had made a good faith settlement offer, he could've avoided it. The court basically said they made an insulting settlement offer which they knew the plaintiff would never accept. The defendant rightfully got his ass destroyed based on both the facts of the case and their legal strategy.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

I have normie friends who think jobst is some genius investigative journalist who dug this up when in reality he's more like a tabloid journalist trying to milk somebody else's drama to sell displates.

I mean I can see where people get mislead. The thinking is "man if this guy can spend 10,000 hours discovering and exploiting a wall glitch from a 1999 video game to gain a 5 millisecond advantage just imagine how thorough he is when it comes to investigating and reporting on consequential IRL stuff." But speedrunners are not really polymaths like that. For the most part it's actually kind of the opposite.

 

[waffle]

So Karla going to kill him self and go out the door with an unhinged video about Billy, right?

That's kind of the vibe I'm getting.

 

[curbside2]

The Goose is loose. He hearted this comment on his latest video:
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Goose Chads stay winning. I wish he’d stop taking the high road and tell us what Jobst got up to in that discord that wasn’t leaked. I can promise you Jobst was every bit the edgy racist Goose was.

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

If Jobst had made a good faith settlement offer, he could've avoided it. The court basically said they made an insulting settlement offer which they knew the plaintiff would never accept. The defendant rightfully got his ass destroyed based on both the facts of the case and their legal strategy.

I agree with that. Jobst was unable to prove the centerpiece of the case, that he had a foundation of claiming Billy received a large cash settlement.
I do not understand how this went to trial when the defense does not even dispute the center piece of the defamation.

"bubu, but Billy is a cheater!" is not a good defense and his lawyer should have told him so.

 

[Zertes]

Rwhitegoose stood his ground, but Jobst immediately capitulated to the trannies and threw Rwhitegoose

Is there any reason why Rwhitegoose became more normie friendly despite not capitulating and not apologizing?