The Charity

[Mandals]

Clearly we just start the first Bank of kiwis no more debanking. If only we had a ton of money to start one kek.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

Really the only thing Josh can do is do nothing

His name can't be on anything even remotely connected to the charity. The second the usual suspects get a single wiff of Josh doing something they spring into action to attack anyone who looks to be friendly towards the idea and salt the earth all just to punish Josh for reasons I never really understood.

Your going to have to accept that you need to be the person behind the screen Jersh. You can't be involved officially in anything but that don't mean you can't pull the strings from behind the scenes. That's all I can think, your facing a whole system that's been conditioned to reject anything your name is attached too and a group of well connected and dedicated haters who will do whatever it takes, legal or not, moral or not, to see you suffer.

Maybe get a official name change, have the records sealed and go from there? The biggest problem is that of course you will have to trust those you place in the front end and trust is getting in pretty short supply these days. And then that opens a whole can of worms about the Farms because whomever you place in charge will be attacked as if he's you.

I really wish I has some better idea's here Hoss but your facing a real hard place with all the cards stacked against you.

 

[Fig Kommandant]

Your going to have to accept that you need to be the person behind the screen Jersh.

I get the practical angle for this, but doesn't it defeat the purpose? The entire point is to be able to be free on the internet so getting someone "infamous" is key to the principle. No one's going to object to having random small time activists setting up a character, but once a case comes along with some notoriety, the charity will face what Josh is facing now, getting debanked and so on. That's just kicking the can down the road.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I get the practical angle for this, but doesn't it defeat the purpose? The entire point is to be able to be free on the internet so getting someone "infamous" is key to the principle. No one's going to object to having random small time activists setting up a character, but once a case comes along with some notoriety, the charity will face what Josh is facing now, getting debanked and so on. That's just kicking the can down the road.

I didn't say it was a good idea, just the only one I can think of.

And I do disagree a bit

The people currently harassing USIPS are not doing it because of it's mission or it's role or whatever. They doing it solely because it's something that will benfit Josh. That's it. They see it as Josh getting a legitimate start and grounding and they will do whatever it takes to stop that. Hurting Josh is the only goal here, nothing else. This is why I say Josh needs the Bitcoin Bikers cuz they will not stop.

If someone set up something similar the troons will face a bit more push back when they can't go and just scream about the evil Mr Moon and his cadre of Kiwi demons. In fact if the usual suspects start attacking other organization on the mere suspicion that Josh might be involved it could lead to a much easier time fighting in court. The troon's have already crossed the line when it comes to the Farms and Josh himself but that's a hard fight to win in court due to all the bad press we've gotten over the years.

But if No Dong Jones and his paid for troons squad attack something like a Freedom of the Internet Society who have no real ties to Josh besides Elliot's paranoia...well that's a much much easier case to try to win on IMHO.

Like I said, I'm just sitting here on the can spit-balling none of this is really a good idea but at least it might be a starting point. Brainstorming is the name of the game for right now.

 

[Tismguide]

whomever you place in charge will be attacked as if he's you.

Troon screeching doesn't get as much mileage as it used to; the pendulum on that particular issue at least has swung, in the US and abroad. That's only going to pick up speed with the USAID money gone. And the charity is not the forum. I agree that this person will be subjected to the usual life ruination tactics, but I think it takes more than that to get your SSN on some shadowy list, or at least years of relentless attempts before they get lucky. Revoking an existing client without problems is a bigger step than refusing to take one on, too. Consider that during DKF Null was able to get hosting for the Telegram relay much more easily than the forum, for example. The heat starts dropping off even a short distance away from the forum.

Finding someone to bell the cat might be hard though; the price is still going to be steep. Reading between the lines, just finding three warm bodies for the board was very hard. I'm curious whether all three board members need to be certified kosher or just one would be enough. Did all three have to do the shuffle?

IDK, I'd have given up long ago, but Josh has done the impossible again and again, and they've really left him no alternative but to fight (or maybe transition and pull a Hotwheels and beg for mercy).

I'll write a money order every year if I have to, though I know that not enough people will, and idk if a 501(c)(4) can take anonymous donations the way the legal fund could, or if it will need records to prove citizenship.

Maybe get a official name change

Gonna need a new SSN too, and maybe some new irises and DNA just to be safe.

 

[Public Disrespector]

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but given the USIPS exists as an official federal non-profit, it should be able to do fundraising directly through solicitation of direct payments.

I'd very much like to write a decently sized check as a donation if the USIPS at least has a bank account of some kind, even if it cannot get a payment processor for card based payments. If that exists, does anyone have the address I can send that payment to?

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but given the USIPS exists as an official federal non-profit, it should be able to do fundraising directly through solicitation of direct payments.

I'd very much like to write a decently sized check as a donation if the USIPS at least has a bank account of some kind, even if it cannot get a payment processor for card based payments. If that exists, does anyone have the address I can send that payment to?

I don't think USIPS is 100% set to go yet

If you want to help out send the money to Josh directly, it all ends up in the same place anyway for now.

 

[Null]

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but given the USIPS exists as an official federal non-profit, it should be able to do fundraising directly through solicitation of direct payments.

I'd very much like to write a decently sized check as a donation if the USIPS at least has a bank account of some kind, even if it cannot get a payment processor for card based payments. If that exists, does anyone have the address I can send that payment to?

That's really unreliable income. The nice thing about Anedot is being able to estimate your month-to-month income. If you're relying on people to physically mail you checks, you're in for a bad time.

 

[George Lucas]

You can't be involved officially in anything but that don't mean you can't pull the strings from behind the scenes.

Don’t do this. It’s considered fraud. Best case, your accounts all get closed. Worst case you go to prison.

 

[Rock Eater]

That's really unreliable income. The nice thing about Anedot is being able to estimate your month-to-month income. If you're relying on people to physically mail you checks, you're in for a bad time.

Do we really have any other choice at this point other than mailing checks?

 

[Null]

Do we really have any other choice at this point other than mailing checks?

crypto, I guess.

 

[Rock Eater]

crypto, I guess.

Do you significantly prefer crypto?

 

[Null]

over absolutely nothing??? yes

 

[gagabobo1997]

I'm assuming normie ZOG payment apps like Venmo aren't an option?
Crypto seems extremely unoptimal for lobbying efforts

 

[Null]

yes, I'm talking to a payment processor company and have two more I'm going to bug the shit out of. I don't even think i can set up a cashapp for a c4.

 

[gagabobo1997]

godspeed, hope it works

 

[Mr. Manchester]

yes, I'm talking to a payment processor company and have two more I'm going to bug the shit out of. I don't even think i can set up a cashapp for a c4.

An age ago I briefly sold credit card processing out of desperation. I was the sleeziest job I had ever worked and most of the salesmen were proud of it. Of course this resulted in up charging small business owners and outright lying and gaslighting to random customers on a daily basis. For business owners that aren't on an unappealable no-banking list I imagine that people selling credit card processing are seen as the scum of the Earth, which they mostly are. I lasted roughly three months before I decided my soul was probably an important thing to keep intact.

That does work both ways however. The sales department and the underwriting department are two separate entities and if you find the right (morally bankrupt) sales department they are more than happy to outright lie to the underwriting department to get a sale and a boost in their commission. The manager at the time would take new employees and hand them a "free sale" under the guise that he was doing a kindness when in reality he'd shuffle obviously questionable deals under the name of some new guy that didn't know any better. One of my "free sales" was a woman selling kratom tea online, which Visa/MC/Discover has a big problem with. He actively had the person change every descriptor on the website before submitting the paperwork so he could get her past the smell test before she could change her shit back. This happens all the time.

My point is, if you find the right processor salesman who will actively lie or find a way to trick the hags in the underwriting department make sure they know exactly where all the stops are. Those slimy bastards are clever.

 

[kkreemstar]

I like this place because its the only place I know where you can talk shit about people at. And its all basically anonymous. There is no danger to being shit talked anonymously. It's up to the poster to provide evidence, and only a shiteater would actually believe what someone wrote down about you without evidence.

reminds me of the every city local forum that got shut down. Topix. everyone from any town could write down whatever they wanted about their local city and talk about local shit. of course people were shit talking each other. LIke one where I heard all teh girls who worked at some hotel were all whores there. I wouldn't think everyone of them there were whores but maybe. But you'd be an idiot to believe teh statement as totally true.
Anyway, a actual fucking lawyer gets pee'd off that someone went to that forum and wrote down some corrupt going on with them at the local airport.
I saved some links when I looked into it.

but what i got from it all was basically,
The lawyer seethed about the anonymous post.
He went to the local court and said, they said this. its not true. I want their information.
District court said, no its protected. so he went to the supreme retarded court.
Supreme retards rubber stamped off to let the local district court to make the decision.
the local district court rubber stamped for him to force the company to give him their informtion.
Shithead lawyer goes to Topix, gets the anon's information; and he had some idea of "who" it was too.
Shithead laywer then forces the un-anonmized people to go on tv and make an apology.. for anonymous comments.

This ended up causing Topix to get shut down too. Because the supreme court said Topix had the right to be paid for doing this. Because it took manpower to do it. And allowed them to get a $20 fee for doing it. Later on more governors signed on to this, and then the Supreme court came back and said that it was unfair they were charging people for doing this.
Then this all became some law were every site had to do this work for shit heads, leading to teh tracking and tracing we have today.

All because of a Kentucky shiteating lawyer named Bill Hickman (can't find a picture of him)

https://archive.is/9MVdj
https://archive.ph/78N3U
----Pikeville lawyer Bill Hickman sued two people, labeled as John Does number 1 and 2, for scathing but anonymous comments that they made on Topix about his work as chairman of the Pikeville-Pike County Airport Board. His critics accused him of various bad acts, such as manipulating land appraisals, building himself an airplane hangar at airport expense and generally wasting millions of dollars in public funds. ----
----But later Topix agreed to drop the $19.99 review charge in a settlement agreement that eventually included 34 state attorneys general. Topix also agreed to take down inappropriate posts within three days. -----
In September 2016, the Kentucky Supreme Court ruled that anonymous posters did not have to be disclosed unless the person suing can prove that what was posted was false.-----
So the site was basically shut down because a shithead grandstanding lawyer was allowed to "prove" that what someone anonymously said about him, wasn't true. Imagine a court case were you don't have to defend yourself against something that someone said. denying a claim is tantamount to proving it. Ridiculous courts
https://archive.is/Z0A5z
https://archive.is/7UkLh
https://archive.is/iPGGo
Some of the news headlines are just pure gaslighting. This is the harm they are trying to protect themselvese against. And it won't stop until free speech is shut down. LIke most people wouldn't give a shit about some random local yahoo talking shit about them. The word yahoo probably offends these kinds of people though. As Kentucky for a lot of the part of it, are the most despotic people and place I've seen.

But this is what is getting the free speech harmed that is being done now. Over some idiotic probably scumbag lawyer over anonymous posts, that someone probably nheard from somebody and can't prove it. So if this shit was proven to be true, all of this house of cards would come tumbling down. Imagine. And that is why it is guarded against the hardest. But a tip, they are some of the stupidest and non-self aware types I have ever seen.

 

[Convallaria majalis]

I know this may sound radical, but maybe dropping a line to a friendly (or friendly as can be) media organization/journalist might be a way to amplify your grievance to a wider audience. Generate a press release, take out an OPED in some mainstream newspaper, spoon feed the issue to an uninformed audience. Maybe even stoke the fear that this could happen to them as well.

Just a though. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I’d make a list of all journalists who have written sympathetically on gossip sites generally - Mumsnet, tattle, Lipstick Alley, etc. - and see if any of them have the influence to tell Josh and KF’s story. Good PR would go a long way to getting the attention of people that can do something about it.

I’d be approaching Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal if I was Josh and prepping for some of the tough questions they might ask.

 

[Jotch]

So FYI my podcast was also denied e-check processing for the following reason:
"Principals background, legal troubles for content and influence, and information provided on the support section of the website."

That is B.S.!
Here I was thinking e-check/ACH would be must more open, but here we are.
At least these guys give you a reason that makes sense.