William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

[Princess Rescuer]

Someone proved that Mitchell cheated by slowing an emulator to 95% and producing the exact same level-loading with the part of the girder that sticks out. Maybe that's legal, but it's not possible on the original arcade hardware. There were likely also well-spliced-in savestates. A way to take down a cheated run is to post a high score (doesn't have to be a WR) doing the exact same things before starting the discussion.

 

[Miller]

It's honestly worth taking a minute to analyze what compels all these Reddit troons to have this legitimately homicidal hatred of Billy Mitchell, a total stranger.

Even if their myths about Billy "CHEATING!!!" were all 100% true (they're not, but let's play along)...their hatred still makes no sense at all.

Their hatred far exceeds that of the most self-righteous baseball "purist" finger-wagging at Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens for using steriods (a far greater offense than using an emulator). Their hatred far exceeds the hatred a college student has towards classmates who get busted for cheating, even when grading on a curve harms them. Their hatred even exceeds shitlibs' deranged hatred of Orange Man Bad.

There's no logic to this utterly deranged hatred for Billy Mitchell. It's the most bizarre and senseless mob mentality swarm attack I've ever seen. And it's lasted for over 15 years now.

And Billy's still winning. You've gotta give him props.

Exactly. Did he cheat? Maybe, maybe not. It happened in the 90s, who gives a shit? Speedrunning is for troons anyway.
Jobst was way too smug about this lawsuit.

 

[waffle]

I agree with fukken Judge Judy, man. Billy didn't win, Karl lost. Karl would have probably only gotten a slap on the wrist if he wasn't being a total buttfucker during the entier pendancy of the suit.

 

[Red flaming panda]

Don't worry fellas, Jobst had great witnesses on his side. Like Charles "MoistCritikal" White.
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How anyone is gonna take this nigger seriously for using youtubers and reddit comments as evidence in his legal case is beyond me.

 

[neger psykolog]

Hell, Moist Critikal's entire testimony (also covered on said blog) was based entirely around Mitchell's repuation as a cheater. I think Jobst's other witnesses, as well. I think Jobst's legal strategy was to confuse the courts about what the case was really about, rather than tackle why Jobst might have legitimately believed Mitchell caused Apollo Legend's suicide. Though I don't know if even that would've been sufficient enough of a legal defense.

If this court case somehow topples Sir Moist also then I will buy myself an American flag tie and Billy Mitchell will be my role model.

I can't wait for YouTube commentators and live streamers to fuck off.

 

[Karamanlis]

I agree that 'King of Kong' is very good.

What I remember hearing was that, behind the scenes, the filmmakers were playing all sorts of mindgames to trick Billy and Steve Wiebe (an obviously mild-mannered guy) into hating each other and saying nasty things about each other. Neither fully took the bait, but the filmmakers were still able to foster enough bad blood to get some good shots and build drama.

The movie was loaded with a lot more bullshit than just that. It's been many years since I've seen it and done the research, so I don't remember all the little details off the top of my head. But I did find this article which gets into some of it: https://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1303

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Hell, Moist Critikal's entire testimony (also covered on said blog) was based entirely around Mitchell's repuation as a cheater. I think Jobst's other witnesses, as well. I think Jobst's legal strategy was to confuse the courts about what the case was really about, rather than tackle why Jobst might have legitimately believed Mitchell caused Apollo Legend's suicide. Though I don't know if even that would've been sufficient enough of a legal dedefense.

That was part of the defence that his rep was already so bad, what Karl said made no meaningful difference. Like if you're a convicted paedophile and I wrongly state you were also convicted of shoplifting, the courts could well find no actual damage to your reputation.

Unfortunately for Karl, judge held 'harrassed kid to suicide' is in fact worse than 'cheated at Donkey Kong last century'.

 

[American Castration]

Exactly. Did he cheat? Maybe, maybe not. It happened in the 90s, who gives a shit?

This was in the mid aughts.

I know there are 10 million troons who study every Billy Mitchell videos like the Zapruder film, and I definitely haven't watched even 1% of these schizos. But I've still seen enough to know the gist of these videos:
>"Video #1,328 timestamp 5h35m10s. Here's MORE proof that Billy uses emulators!!!"

This is a rules violation, not "cheating". Any schizo saying there's "cheating" is making up deranged fantasies.

 

[yolocaust]

Yeah Karl you're going to need to shill a lot of your shitty all-in-one face cream to get out of this one.

 

[beautiful person]

That was part of the defence that his rep was already so bad, what Karl said made no meaningful difference. Like if you're a convicted paedophile and I wrongly state you were also convicted of shoplifting, the courts could well find no actual damage to your reputation.

Unfortunately for Karl, judge held 'harrassed kid to suicide' is in fact worse than 'cheated at Donkey Kong last century'.

Maybe, but I don't remember Apollo or the suicide claim being brought up at all in any of the witness testimonies. As if people weren't even aware of the suicide claim in the first place. Which I guess would've been a better defense - no damages can be had from a claim that no one was aware was even made. But his lawyers didn't do a good job arguing that. They just covered that claim up without addressing it.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

The hubris of this faggot
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YOU BURN THE RICE, YOU PAY THE PRICE

 

[American Castration]

The movie was loaded with a lot more bullshit than just that. It's been many years since I've seen it and done the research, so I don't remember all the little details off the top of my head. But I did find this article which gets into some of it: https://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1303

Holy shit that was a decapitation. A+ insider review.

I mean, you know just watching the "documentary" that it's been manipulated and edited into a Hollywood narrative. (I saw it over a decade ago, so I'm going off memory.) But I wouldn't have imagined that it was this full of shit.

 

[American Castration]

Someone proved that Mitchell cheated by slowing an emulator to 95% and producing the exact same level-loading with the part of the girder that sticks out. Maybe that's legal, but it's not possible on the original arcade hardware. There were likely also well-spliced-in savestates. A way to take down a cheated run is to post a high score (doesn't have to be a WR) doing the exact same things before starting the discussion.

Literally none of this ever happened.

I wouldn't doubt that troons are fantasizing that Billy's decreasing framerates. I wouldn't even doubt that they make videos voicing their deranged fantasies. I'm pretty confident there are whole Reddit threads full of psychotic delusions of Billy Mitchell reprogramming Donkey Kong code from scratch.

But what didn't actually happen, in the real world, was Billy Mitchell decreasing the framerate on an emulator and submitting that for competition. Perhaps he does it in the privacy of his own home. I turn off display layers on my SNES emulator all the time to help me get through tough levels. But if I were a competitive gamer or speedrunner (I'm not, but hypothetically), I'd know that's just for practice runs.

 

[Turkey Beef]

I unsubbed from Karl Jobst a long while back. I don't have any strong feelings for the court case one way or the other, but Jobst' obsession with portraying Billy Mitchell as some kind of cartoon villain got really tiresome after a while, nevermind that Jobst nowadays kind of comes off to me as a really pedantic and petulant gatekeeper with all things speedrun-related.

 

[Red flaming panda]

Unfortunately for Karl, judge held 'harrassed kid to suicide' is in fact worse than 'cheated at Donkey Kong last century'.

That what makes me give no shits about Billy and his previous controversies. You except me to give a fuck about some stupid video game record from decades ago, when the reason for this defamation lawsuit was cause Karl was covering up for his butt buddies crime? Fuck that. Hope that nigger goes broke.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Is Jobst the asshole who took down The Completionist entire career for trying to save enough money to make a meaningful donation to fight cancer?

The Completionist was doing shady shit with the money, so that was a case of one retard taking out another grifting retard.

I think I've watched every video Karl put out about this and I had never even heard of the Apollo suicide, I thought it was about the scores.

I watched a good amount of them and I recall one video where he mentions Apollo's suicide and Billy, in relation to his lawsuit, but only to mention Billy was litigious and that caused Apollo's suicide. Maybe I'm misremembering it and that was the video that got him sued, but I had no idea his case was about anything besides Billy cheating at games. Even Muta's video makes it sound like it's about cheating in games.

 

[big pauper]

Exactly. Did he cheat? Maybe, maybe not. It happened in the 90s, who gives a shit? Speedrunning is for troons anyway.
Jobst was way too smug about this lawsuit.

no no the reason he's so contemptible to troons is because he's probably exactly like their dad. he's peak boomer

look he got a high score for one of the first arcade video games ever released and was able to defend that title later on so it's not a question of his ability to do it. it's about how he used his wealth to prop up an entire organization specifically devoted to high scores and speedruns so he could hold onto his crown and didnt track video games made after like 1983 lmao. he networked 'trustworthy' sources of information like news anchors and book publishers to prop up his own organization and accredations and was a petty tyrant to other people while he broke his own rules.

then decades later a community forms around high scores and speedruns on the internet that is interested enough in primitive arcade games to engage with his organization, and he was immediately adversarial to them because it's entirely kids who grew up emulating games, not people playing on real hardware. he's like the archetype of the mean AV nerd, a discord janny irl. a textbook bully

 

[Mikoyan]

So the bailiff shows up at his house - or whatever the Aussies call it. Tells him he has one hour to get everything out before the foreclosure.

Does he call that a 'new Streets PB attempt'?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

"But Australian courts are different, guys!!"

This delusional retard really thought that that was going to work out in his favor.


I don't think I knew about it being about the suicide claim until I had read one of the analyses by that one lawyer covering the case on his blog. Even then, I thought Apollo Legend had to pay Mitchell a bunch of $$ as part of his settlement, which would've made the "Mitchell made Apollo an-hero!" claim make sense, but apparently it turned out the settlement only involved taking down all of the Mitchell-related videos. Once Jobst got evidence from Apollo's brother that no money exchanged hands, that was when he should have backed the fuck off and issued a concrete retraction.

Hell, Moist Critikal's entire testimony (also covered on said blog) was based entirely around Mitchell's repuation as a cheater. I think Jobst's other witnesses, as well. I think Jobst's legal strategy was to confuse the courts about what the case was really about, rather than tackle why Jobst might have legitimately believed Mitchell caused Apollo Legend's suicide. Though I don't know if even that would've been sufficient enough of a legal defense.

I think Charlie even said he didn't know that the case was about Apollo when he went on to be a witness (BTW, why was he even a witness in all this?). Personally, I think Karl got some severe autistic hyperfocus going on. He got sued twice (the first was Apollo which he kept on the DL because it is legit bad and one for the cheating), when Billy drops the cheating lawsuit it denied Karl the vindication of being the one to prove legally that Billy was a cheater, so he made the Apollo lawsuit about Billy cheating at video games to help get the ruling he wanted. Instead, the Judge officially ruled him to be a sperg and handed his ass to Billy.

 

[shoashuffle]

(BTW, why was he even a witness in all this?).

Karl and the manlet are both retards who think youtube court is the same as real court.