What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Bruce LaLiLuLeLo]

Interesting timing:

Orang Pandek seems most likely. Hell, they could even just be normal homo sapiens with genetic mutations that went off to live in the woods.

Me thinks they might be able to survive cause of the tropical climate cause most animals do better in tropical climates (dinosaurs are also cold blooded). Nessie in loch ness sounds unlikely cause scotland is very cold and reptiles don't do well in the cold, generally. The Congo seems much more habitable to a plesiosaur which is what mokele mbembe is supposed to be. But the thing is they're oceanic or sea creatures, not river creatures. It's much easier to find anything which lives in rivers cause the confines are small. But given the primitivity of the congolese, there's probably something there.

Orang pandek I feel has something to do with the orangutan cause the images I've seen of the orange coat seem very similar and they both share half a name which in orangutans case means "old man of the jungle". I don't think it's anything close to regular homo sapiens, maybe a half human half ape thing at best.

 

[Althalus]

I believe dinosaurs existed in isolation till the second generation of mammals came around. A bit similar to how cave lions and mammoths survived till the times of Egyptian civilization.

When you consider that cave lions and mammoths lived until they were hunted to extinction by humans, and all the stories of people hunting "dragons" to extinction exist, it's a reasonable leap to make that connection to dinosaurs.

I don't quite believe dragons existed since the European model of a dragon is very different to the asian model, one is a winged dinosaur like thing while the other is serpentine.

If one entertains the idea of a few straggling dinosaur species surviving long enough for humans to see, it's possible (in fact likely) that any folklore differences exist because different regions had different species. But I do find it interesting that Asian dragons had a spiritual component (mostly) missing in Western dragon stories.

Also, happy page 322!



Edit: dammit I was late

 

[Bruce LaLiLuLeLo]

When you consider that cave lions and mammoths lived until they were hunted to extinction by humans, and all the stories of people hunting "dragons" to extinction exist, it's a reasonable leap to make that connection to dinosaurs.

The description of what is considered a dragon seems to conflict with what a dinosaur is. There has historically been no animal which is capable of producing fire. The only reptiles capable of flight have been pterosaurs which are closer to bats than dragons. So the European model of dragons fails right there. The eastern model of dragons can be true if you consider snakes. But again snakes cannot be of the size described by chinese or japanese literature. They've even describe centipedes of being of mountainous size which is impossible. The closest you get is something which existed during the carboniferous, arthopleura, which only grew upto 10 feet or so. That destroys the asian dragon model, which is closer to reality than the European one. For cave lions and mammoths we have evidence of their coexistence alongside the neanderthal. And their existence at the same time as egypt is through carbon dating, which is a pretty reliable source. Based on myth you can't really make logical deductions as in this case you run into a lot of contradictions. I recently read wings in the night by Robert e howard and even that describes it's flying monsters as closer to pterodactylian than draconic.

If one entertains the idea of a few straggling dinosaur species surviving long enough for humans to see, it's possible (in fact likely) that any folklore differences exist because different regions had different species. But I do find it interesting that Asian dragons had a spiritual component (mostly) missing in Western dragon stories.

There are many a dissertation on the east vs west moral Outlook and culture and stuff but I'm gonna just go with one of them. Eastern culture and shintoism by extension has something called animism, the idea that every object has an essence or a spirit. It's similar to paganistic spirit worship of the greeks (dryads, water spirits) and the native Americans (nature spirits). The dragons in chinese myth represented the fundamental forces of nature, like air fire earth water etc which is why they're large in scale and power and all that. That carried over into japanese myth a bit as well. The thing is they're not actually described as draconic in the European sense, something closer to satanic and reptilian, they're described as serpentine spirits, manifestations of elemental forces rather than living flesh and blood.

 

[NoReturn]

I don't think it's anything close to regular homo sapiens, maybe a half human half ape thing at best.

Spoiler: Cursed knowledge

Spoiler: Are you sure?

There have been recorded instances in the last 50 years of orangutans raping human females. While I do not know of any cases of hybrids, or if it would even be possible given the genetic dissimilarity, I do wonder about it for the same reason I wonder about humanzees.
Humanzees, by the way, are usually explained by saying "That child just has a genetic disorder.* Don't be racist/ablest/horrible." but one does wonder when you see things like this:

And this:

The Wikipedia page for that creature doesn't even exist in English - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_(Schimpanse)

Oliver (* ca. 1958; † 2. Juni 2012) war ein Schimpanse, der durch sein menschliches Aussehen und seinen aufrechten Gang bekannt wurde. Es gab Spekulationen, Oliver könnte eine Kreuzung aus Mensch und Schimpanse oder der Missing Link zwischen beiden Arten sein.

Oliver fiel durch seine menschenähnliche Schädelform auf. Er war glatzköpfig, hatte für einen Schimpansen ungewöhnlich spitze Ohren und einen nur wenig hervorstehenden Mund. Er lebte in Blackwood bei dem Dresseurpaar Janet und Frank Burger, die ihn als Jungtier von Händlern aus der Kongo-Region erworben hatten.[1] Sozial war er nur an Menschen, nicht an anderen Schimpansen interessiert. Er mochte es, Kaffee zu trinken und fernzusehen. 1976 hatte für ihn und seine Pflegeeltern das große Medieninteresse unter anderem weltweit Auftritte bei entsprechenden Veranstaltungen zur Folge. Eine vorläufige genetische Analyse ergab, dass er 47 Chromosomen haben könnte und so genau zwischen Mensch und Schimpanse stehen würde. Seit 1996 lebte er im Tierasyl Primarily Primates.[2] Spätere Untersuchungen ergaben, dass Oliver 48 Chromosomen hatte und ein in genetischer Hinsicht völlig normaler Gemeiner Schimpanse war.[1]

Translation:

Oliver (* ca. 1958; † June 2, 2012) was a chimpanzee known for his human appearance and upright gait. There was speculation that Oliver could be a cross between a human and a chimpanzee or the missing link between the two species.

Oliver stood out because of his human-like skull shape. He was bald, had unusually pointed ears for a chimpanzee and a mouth that protruded only slightly. He lived in Blackwood with Janet and Frank Burger, who had acquired him as a young animal from traders in the Congo region.[1] Socially, he was only interested in humans, not other chimpanzees. He liked to drink coffee and watch television. In 1976, the great media interest in him and his foster parents resulted in appearances at relevant events worldwide. A preliminary genetic analysis revealed that he could have 47 chromosomes, placing him somewhere between a human and a chimpanzee. He had been living at the Primarily Primates animal sanctuary since 1996.[2] Later investigations revealed that Oliver had 48 chromosomes and was a completely normal common chimpanzee from a genetic point of view.[1]

*Look up the case of "Augusto Dembo"

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

theory-
Dinosaurs.
They lived at the same time as humans.

Flintstones was a documentary.

The reason why Flintstone kids had black people but regular Flintstones didn't was because of a prehistoric race war.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

 

[Otterly]

Look up the case of "Augusto Dembo"

‘Cases of sexual relations between humans and chimps in the region are common.’

 

[JustSomeDong]

Interesting timing:

Ogo Pogo Rises.

The age of the plesiosaur has begun.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

UNFPA sole purpose is depopulation. They will change what they say to fit current p political objectives but the only constant is that they want less babies to be born. They will say to wokes they are pro women's rights but they have looked the other way and applauded force abortions and sterilization campaigns. They bring up that they are pro environment but most of their actions are in low income countries where people consume very little. They say it's for population control but they keep pushing their agenda even in countries with birthrates well below the replacement rate. They say to people on the right that preventing pregnancy is economically sound because the state doesn't have to help the mother and the child without mentioning that the child can grow up to be a productive member of society. Agin their sole purpose since the 60s is less babies and the rest is window dressing.

 

[I'm a Silly]

UNFPA sole purpose is depopulation. They will change what they say to fit current p political objectives but the only constant is that they want less babies to be born. They will say to wokes they are pro women's rights but they have looked the other way and applauded force abortions and sterilization campaigns. They bring up that they are pro environment but most of their actions are in low income countries where people consume very little. They say it's for population control but they keep pushing their agenda even in countries with birthrates well below the replacement rate. They say to people on the right that preventing pregnancy is economically sound because the state doesn't have to help the mother and the child without mentioning that the child can grow up to be a productive member of society. Agin their sole purpose since the 60s is less babies and the rest is window dressing.

If they're for real about depopulation, why are there so many browns in White countries?

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

If they're for real about depopulation, why are there so many browns in White countries?

that agency is not in charge of that. They have been trying to lower birth rates all over the world, no matter the race. The problem is that they never stop. They continue to push for more and more abortions and contraceptives even when the fertility rate is very low. A good example is their anti teenager pregnancy program, you would think they would include 13 to 17 year olds but it actually includes adult women who are 18 and 19 in the program for some reason, again these women can legally make porn and join the army but they are considered "girls" in the UN program and they are included in their numbers for "teenager" pregnancy that should be lowered.

 

[I'm a Silly]

that agency is not in charge of that. They have been trying to lower birth rates all over the world, no matter the race. The problem is that they never stop. They continue to push for more and more abortions and contraceptives even when the fertility rate is very low. A good example is their anti teenager pregnancy program, you would think they would include 13 to 17 year olds but it actually includes adult women who are 18 and 19 in the program for some reason, again these women can legally make porn and join the army but they are considered "girls" in the UN program and they are included in their numbers for "teenager" pregnancy that should be lowered.

I don't think there's a *general* depopulation program afoot. Fertility is declining in lots of places, but concerted efforts are being made to destroy the demographics of White countries and extend life in Africa. It just looks like White genocide to me.

I just want to point out that "action over belief" is a big reason, beyond simple ethnic hatred, why so many jews run so many organized anti-white hate groups and anti-white lawfare efforts in the white nations which took them in after WWII. Their word for it is tikkun olam - to repair the world by fixing what's wrong with it, such as gentiles being anything except simultaneously enslaved and dead. In other words, not only do they hate you, but they believe trooning out your son and selling your daughter to muzzie rapists is solving the problems of Creation which God is too incompetent to solve for Himself. They believe, in doing so, they're rectifying a mistake.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Fertility is declining in lots of places, but concerted efforts are being made to destroy the demographics of White countries and extend life in Africa. It just looks like White genocide to me.

not at all, fertility rates are very low in places in asia and latin America, in Latin America is mostly due to the UN and government programs subsidizing long term contraceptives like diaphragms. They have been trying really hard to lower the fertility in Africa, I think most of their programs are there, but Africa population is mostly rural and they have very weak governments so the programs are difficult to implement. In places like South Africa the rate is slightly above replacement rate i think 2.34 per woman, with is not high considering how much hiv and tuberculosis that population has.

Also some Africans are looking outside seeing the super low fertility rates the UN is promoting in other countries and see their high fertility rates as a resource and that the UN doesn't have good intentions and i think they are probably right

 

[I'm a Silly]

not at all, fertility rates are very low in places in asia and latin America, in Latin America is mostly due to the UN and government programs subsidizing long term contraceptives like diaphragms. They have been trying really hard to lower the fertility in Africa, I think most of their programs are there, but Africa population is mostly rural and they have very weak governments so the programs are difficult to implement. In places like South Africa the rate is slightly above replacement rate i think 2.34 per woman, with is not high considering how much hiv and tuberculosis that population has.

Also some Africans are looking outside seeing the super low fertility rates the UN is promoting in other countries and see their high fertility rates as a resource and that the UN doesn't have good intentions and i think they are probably right

You are agreeing with me here, but you phrased it as though that is not the case.

 

[snowdunes]

I don't think there's a *general* depopulation program afoot. Fertility is declining in lots of places, but concerted efforts are being made to destroy the demographics of White countries and extend life in Africa. It just looks like White genocide to me.

I do think there is a global depopulation program being implemented if you look at how media portrays "family" (gay and interracial, one is the most dysfunctional dynamic to exist and one doesn't even exist), what is taught in schools and what policies surrounds parenting are implemented. If you don't think there is a depopulation program afoot, ask yourself how normalized contraceptives are, do you think it's organic that there was a global push for them? To make people pseudo castrate/sterlize themselves just for pleasure? Dig deeper into that and add abortions and it gets pretty hard to deny this. It's not an organic thing.

I also think that there are factions trying to take advantage of this "program" to genocide groups they don't like for the future as a threat or just out of spite, and most groups are jealous at European ones since they are good at pretty much anything, as well as East Asians, so a way to do it is to lower the birthrates in those places while also trying to dilute the rest of the population with the worst races imaginable (African negroids, Aboriginal Australians and MENA Indians) that are literally borderline "humans".

 

[I'm a Silly]

I think we agree overall -- I'm peppering in my comments:

I do think there is a global depopulation program being implemented if you look at how media portrays "family" (gay and interracial, one is the most dysfunctional dynamic to exist and one doesn't even exist), what is taught in schools and what policies surrounds parenting are implemented.

I understand this.
I also know that interracial breeding results in non-Whiteness, which is a form of genocide, since Whiteness is decreased, and that is a stated goal. They aren't even hiding it.

This last screenshot was a comment from one of the infamous Barbara Spectre videos.

If you don't think there is a depopulation program afoot,

I said the opposite, and qualified that Whites are being targeted for genocide in particular.
On the topic of contraception: White families being conscientious about preparing to provide for babies-to-be *before* trying to have them is part of our identity, and a very healthy trait. Just because jews weaponize it against us, that doesn't mean we should abandon this conscientiousness.

I also think that there are factions trying to take advantage of this "program" to genocide groups they don't like for the future as a threat or just out of spite, and most groups are jealous at European ones since they are good at pretty much anything, as well as East Asians, so a way to do it is to lower the birthrates in those places while also trying to dilute the rest of the population with the worst races imaginable (African negroids, Aboriginal Australians and MENA Indians) that are literally borderline "humans".

Posting this quote again, because it explains everything:

I just want to point out that "action over belief" is a big reason, beyond simple ethnic hatred, why so many jews run so many organized anti-white hate groups and anti-white lawfare efforts in the white nations which took them in after WWII. Their word for it is tikkun olam - to repair the world by fixing what's wrong with it, such as gentiles being anything except simultaneously enslaved and dead. In other words, not only do they hate you, but they believe trooning out your son and selling your daughter to muzzie rapists is solving the problems of Creation which God is too incompetent to solve for Himself. They believe, in doing so, they're rectifying a mistake.

 

[Meriasek]

Maybe, but the actual coastline topology maps almost exactly to what’s really there under the ice . So either an incredible fluke (highly unlikely) or a very odd thing that no one really has an explanation for. The map is one of those things nobody has any decent explanation for because all possible explanations are crazy.
as for Solon, I can well believe that humanity has hit the bronze age level of society multiple times and been knocked back. It wouldn’t surprise me at all

I heard that claim, but also that it's pretty much untrue. The coastline being too far north, that section actually showing South America, and it generally being off.
I honestly can't tell myself, I'm no good at map projections, especially portolan maps (if it was a portolan map, people seem to be undecided on even that).
Dunno, you can find pictures showing all sorts of coastlines lined up with that map and they all kinda make sense to me.
Hapgood's reasoning and research on the map are very interesting, though. Definitely not a crackpot theory, even though some conclusions might sound like that.

/edit: And it goes to show how little we actually know of the world even just a few hundred years ago, let alone thousands.

 

[SIMIΔN]

*Look up the case of "Augusto Dembo"

He's not my son,
I doubt he's anything but a very simian faced human.
The lack of hair and human length arms aren't chimplike.

As for the standing apeman, chimpanzees can walk upright, it's just less efficient then the standard knuckle dragging.
That being said, humans scientists have been accepted into chimp troops, so it's within plausibility a lost human child could have grown up with them, and sired infertile hybrids.

They lived at the same time as humans.
They used to be called dragons.
Dragons were intelligent.

It's possible, though snakes seem a better match. Both Asian dragons and Norse wyrms have serpentine bodies.

(dinosaurs are also cold blooded)

Warm/Cold blooded isn't a binary, so it's plausible non-extinct dinos would increase their internal heat generation to adapt to colder places.

e. The only reptiles capable of flight have been pterosaurs which are closer to bats than dragons.

Is flight that important to the concept of dragons? Being scary and reptilian seems more core, and firebreathing could be snake liking spitting. Asian dragons don't breath fire.

The dragons in chinese myth represented the fundamental forces of nature

True, but that doesn't mean they aren't based on real creatures. The elemental representations are,
Yellow Dragon (黃龍) - Earth
Azure Dragon (青龍) - Plantlife
but also, three more mundane animals,
The phoenix-like Vermillion Bird(Fire), the White Tiger (Metal), and the Black Tortoise (Water/Cold).

 

[THE SUPREME ONION]

i believe the bit that kiwifarms is a front end for nulls operation to try to get into the pants of young guy by blackmailing them with the threats of opening a thread on them

 

[12345]

I'm doubling down on my "something big is going to hit us." theory from earlier.

Because apparently, that asteroid that was maybe going to hit us in a few years but it's hard to say where or if because it is getting further away from us, and smaller and hard to see so we'll just have to wait a few years to be able to tell was just measured and it's probably going to hit the moon and not us. I saw things earlier about it hitting the moon previously, but it's being measured is new.

Not linking because pick your news outlet at this point.

But if we had a few years before we would know and have to deal with it, why/how was it measured so quickly when it was moving away and would be harder to see?
I mean, yeah it's big news that a potential city-destroying asteroid isn't going to hit us, but it feels like too much of a big deal is being made.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I'm doubling down on my "something big is going to hit us." theory from earlier.

I agree. I don't know if it will be as massive as an asteroid, but I do agree it will be bigger than a Japanese Tsunami or a Myanmar earthquake, or Haitian flood.

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COVID - prices went up, blamed on COVID.
Ukraine - Prices went up, blamed on Putin
Inflation - Prices went up, blamed on inflation
Tariffs - Prices going up, blamed on tariffs (even though products nothing to do with tariffs will increase in price).

There's always an event to keep the public busy; covid, ukraine war, inflation, tariffs. It's always bloody something.