William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

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Friendly reminder that Apollo Legend is a bitchmade faggot that had the audacity to throw two other faggot youtubers/spedrunners under the bus before ACKing. I don't care what problems you had beforehand, pulling that kind of shit on people criticizing your ass immediately pulls any sympathy I have for you.
Right, a room full of self-diagnosed autists, trannies and niggerfaggots pour shit on the guy with real problems for having the balls to call out the corruption at GDQ, then when he acks himself they use his corpse to attack some other loser so people forget they were the main reason why he killed himself. It's the Byuu situation all over again.
Can someone give me the TLDR if the cheating allegations are true?
Billy got his Donkey Kong score on emulator, passed it as arcade which is much more random and harder to play, it was common knowledge for a long time that he faked it.
 
because there isn't a difference between emulation and real hardware that matters in this context, those aren't material conditions that would influence his ability to achieve a high score or not.
Emulation software allows you to arbitrarily control every value in the game. It is impossible to invent a material condition that would influence his ability to achieve a high score more than that. This is not a pointless technicality any more than disallowing scores scribbled on the cabinet screen in marker. You are not a based and enlightened centrist for trying to middle-of-the-road this subject, you are a moron.
 
Karl Jobst DID lie about the details of the fundraiser (either containing blatantly false info or spending backer money in a different way, there are a few things it can be reported as), so there are grounds for it. I'd certainly be glad if the 5,4K backers got their $200K AUD back.
Yeah, it introduces the lawsuit just by saying that Billy Mitchell is a "proven video game cheater" that is now suing him even though Karl is a good boy who "did nothing wrong" and in the main video Karl is just like 'because Mitchells reputation is already bad he cant be defamed any further so I will win the lawsuit please give me money to fund it" lmao.

Apparently if someone's reputation is bad enough it's now open season on them, you have the moistcritical seal of approval to allege they shot up a school, raped a baby, and drove someone to suicide.

I'll admit to a bit of schadenfreude here in seeing one of the smug holier than thou arbiters of what is right and wrong on youtube being taken down a peg for being a complete retard with a faggy voice. It's nice to see the good guys win.

Of course when this happens to me, and Patton Oswalt sues me for alleging that he may have killed his wife or idubbz sues me for saying he has a piss fetish, I'll handle it better than Jobst; I'll say I was hacked.
 
There a 4 hour video by Vertias that goes over it pretty extensively, but the TLDR answer is yes Billy cheated. If you don't wanna watch the whole thing then the first bit gives a good explanation on why MAME and arcade look different despite running the same code.

Billy submitted three scores for Donkey Kong that he purported to have all done on original hardware. The only evidence for these scores were VHS tapes submitted by Billy where they show obvious MAME signatures or eye witness testimony from people like Todd Rogers, another infamous cheat who had hundreds of literally impossible scores in the Twin Galaxies database.

After the MAME signatures were discovered, since originally when the scores were submitted no one really knew about that, Billy would spend years defending his scores as legit and oscillating between different defenses. Ranging from the tapes weren't actually his, arcade can look like MAME under the right circumstances, to the tapes were edited to look like MAME. All of that culminates in the Twin Galaxes lawsuit where Billy was sued for fraud for inflating the value of TG, that case was utlimately settled but did provide deposition footage of Billy state numerous provable lies about his scores as well.



Anyone that sits through this video will know pretty much everything they need ot know about billy. And it is a good video also. Not only does it show lies about Billy and his character, you see how he takes advantage of people then flips when they don't serve em and his purpose anymore. See Carlos. Man was a genuine friend and innocent bystander and billy tried to take advantage of em.
 
I just realized I went through all phases of grief in under a day.

I was in denial over the judge ruling against Karl.
I got angry that Billy got away with it once again.
I tried to bargain with the result, coping that maybe the lawyer is responsible he could not defend himself.
Depressed when I read the actual full ruling and was confronted with the solid reasoning of the judge.
Acceptance that Karl is a retarded liar and Billy deserved the win.

I went from believing Karl's narrative to "maybe Billy isn't such a bad guy" in under 24h.
Going by the public reactions in general I think I am not the only one who just went through that experience, which proves the defamatory statements did have a very real effect on Billy's image.

Rather humbling to realize.

Yes, you are absolutely not the only one going through such thing. Not quite sure how exactly I saw a link to an article of 'the guardian' (?!) of all places about the loss. At first I was thinking to myself 'WTF, how did the hell did he botch this, it was a slam dunk', then I read the whole article and was like 'Hang on a minute, there is nothing here about cheating allegations besides the judge basically saying that he doesn't know or give a fuck if Billy boy cheated, because it is irrelevant',.

After that Jobst posted some tweets about not lying, but sorry for not being transparent (a.k.a. yes, he did lie) and now I'm in the 'Fuck Karl' camp. Anyways, it always irked me how Jobst described some nerd beating some obscure or not that obscure shit 0.01 seconds faster as a monumental achievement in the history of the said shit and gaming. As if we've landed on Mars or something.

The judged summarized the personality of Karl pretty well. Nevermind my opinion about Billy boy, he deserves this win.
 
Emulation software allows you to arbitrarily control every value in the game. It is impossible to invent a material condition that would influence his ability to achieve a high score more than that. This is not a pointless technicality any more than disallowing scores scribbled on the cabinet screen in marker. You are not a based and enlightened centrist for trying to middle-of-the-road this subject, you are a moron.
i mean if you turn on cheats in MAME and start messing with memory values yeah sure you can control every value in the game, but you can do that with a pair of tweezers on a real arcade board so i'm not really sure what your point is.

criticize billy for things you can actually pin him down for cheating on, instead of this bizarre semantic stuff
 
On the one hand, Jobst getting fucked by his donators on GoFundMe would keep the laughs rolling. On the other hand, if you donated to a YouTuber you are an idiot that deserves to lose money.
If he was transparent with his audience they probably would’ve told him he was stupid and maybe he would’ve realized it was better to detract his statement this one instance than potentially lose a lot of money.
 
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i mean if you turn on cheats in MAME and start messing with memory values yeah sure you can control every value in the game, but you can do that with a pair of tweezers on a real arcade board so i'm not really sure what your point is.
With MAME you can pass a custom board as a genuine arcade one, custom board tweaked in a way to give you exactly the same patterns every time that you trained on beforehand so getting that perfect score is going to be very easy.

You don't know what you are talking about at all, do you?
 
Honestly I figured there was something more to this. Billy may enjoy his status and small fortune as a micro celebrity, but I don't know if he has the kind of money to chase lawsuits that won't have some chance at being fruitful. He basically makes his living off being a heel and baiting people into making defamatory statements about him. The fact that people are still talking about him only in the contexts of his lawsuits proves that its one of the few things he even has left to his shreds of fame from being good at video games pre-Internet before every autist could upload videos of them doing the exact same thing and prove all you really need is time and autism to be good at arcade games. King of Kong was the turning point for his status as a gaming celebrity and it proved that he wasn't the big shot he used to be. Which I think explains why he was such an ass during that whole thing.

I had a feeling Karl Jobst was hiding something because most other lawsuits of the same type have either been settled or dismissed. Remember The Completionist has also said that he was going to sue Karl for a similar thing. It'll be funny if that ends up being a similar case and Karl fucked up hard by trying to push a narrative for Youtube dollars.
 
i mean if you turn on cheats in MAME and start messing with memory values yeah sure you can control every value in the game, but you can do that with a pair of tweezers on a real arcade board so i'm not really sure what your point is.

criticize billy for things you can actually pin him down for cheating on, instead of this bizarre semantic stuff
You can argue until you're blue in the face about whether MAME should be disqualified or not. But it's like racing, if your car is out of spec then you lose. It's that simple. Billy knew the rules.
 
He basically makes his living off being a heel and baiting people into making defamatory statements about him
People keep saying this shit. Billy is wealthy or at least financially stable independently of video gaming entirely. He took over some restaurants his family owned and he works as the manager at them or some shit. He has a family, wife, kids etc and there's no indication he buys stupid shit all the time. There's no chance he doesn't have a decent retirement fund, probably owns his own house outright etc.
 
People keep saying this shit. Billy is wealthy or at least financially stable independently of video gaming entirely. He took over some restaurants his family owned and he works as the manager at them or some shit. He has a family, wife, kids etc and there's no indication he buys stupid shit all the time. There's no chance he doesn't have a decent retirement fund, probably owns his own house outright etc.
Yeah I don't know where people are getting that impression. Part of the whole reason that TG was basically in Billy's pocket was because he was one of its largest financial backers, and got about $30K when Walter Day sold it, he's loaded.
 
Yeah I don't know where people are getting that impression. Part of the whole reason that TG was basically in Billy's pocket was because he was one of its largest financial backers, and got about $30K and Walter Day sold it, he's loaded.
Might be because certain youtuber only talked about Billy as the cheater and conman who had video games and presenting himself as the best player at the center of his entire being and being paid big $$$ to show up at shows and conventions.

That he has generational wealth is pretty much never mentioned.

I am eagerly awaiting his damage control video, because there are still tards saying things like, "let's hear him out before we judge him", and I am confident he's just going to dig himself a deeper hole.
If his video isn't "I was wrong and I fucked it up!" he can just use the next bridge he finds.
 
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While i'm at it, I never realized we had an apollo legend thread here. Here's a little post I found on that front page. Never realized that Karl fucking helped EZscape on that video, Karl actually contributed to Apollo's suicide while doing all of this shit?

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I am now fully convinced the reason why Karl refused any sort of settlement and did a half-assed retraction was because the whole point of the videos was to wash off the suicide of apollo from him and his friends hands and pin it all on Billy who was the only person not named in the suicide note.
What a macabre twist of events holy shit
 
Reminder, 3 years ago Karl Jobst buried a half-hearted non-apology to Billie Mitchell 28 minutes into a completely unrelated video about Dark Souls. Jobst probably this would help him legally but the Judge was not impressed by his blatant attempt to save face and hide his retraction. The Judge also notes Jobst only apologized to his audience for getting facts wrong and not to Billy for the defamatory statements. Jobst also implies he still believes Mitchell caused Apollo's suicide.
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Can someone link me the vid of jobst crying to his wife about getting a world record? Please?
The MATI segment.
 
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