Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

Markorian said:
I mean, it's almost exactly like the ds to 3ds transition. PS3 ruined sony primarily because they bet on blu ray overtaking dvd as fast as dvd overtook vhs, which never panned out (and also because they expected to sell a $3000-4000 Sony hdtv with every PS3, instead, they helped sell A LOT of $1200 Samsung hdtvs). Meanwhile:
>Massively successful handheld that sold over 150 million
>Significantly underpowered, but new system offers a respectable bump
>But the price of the new system is unacceptable
>New system also focusing pretty hard on tangentially-useful at best gimmicks (except mouse control, that shit is great)
>Big focus on 3rd party at launch, complete with a port of the most recent street fighter after the entire last mainline iteration skipped nintendo altogether
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I would say that there are some eerie similarities with the 360 to Xbone, especially if you read the fine print more.
 
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The system is substantially more powerful than I originally predicted. I was expecting 1080p60 for handheld mode, and 1440p60, maybe 1600p60 for docked mode, but I never expected 120 FPS nor 4K to be in the mix. It will be interesting to see if it can do 4K about 15 FPS.
 
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AnsemSoD1 said:
I would say that there are some eerie similarities with the 360 to Xbone, especially if you read the fine print more.
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Again, I think the only similarities are very surface-level midwit takes. Xbone was the result of microsoft spending the entire second half of a generation sabotaging themselves and pissing away their momentum with the kinect, followed by getting into a match of chicken with their most direct competition to see who would buckle and reveal how they planned to fuck over their customers first, with microsoft making the swerve and paying a HEAVY pr price for it, with sony absolutely scrambing to recall units from distribution centers and pretend they weren't planning on doing the exact same thing the whole time, followed up by a legendarily disastrous E3 where nintendo was still reeling from the wiiu and microsoft continued to shoot themselves in the foot, along with announcing all of jack and shit for games, delivering their own coup de grace on themselves when they priced their console at significantly higher than its main competition due to retarded add-ons being included by default. If every switch 2 included the camera add on by default and cost $600 msrp, and the previous 3 years hadn't seen ~15 million switch sales a piece, you might have more than a surface-level point.
 
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Prokhor Zakharov said:
The system is substantially more powerful than I originally predicted. I was expecting 1080p60 for handheld mode, and 1440p60, maybe 1600p60 for docked mode, but I never expected 120 FPS nor 4K to be in the mix. It will be interesting to see if it can do 4K about 15 FPS.
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It's probably going to use DLSS trickery to hit 1440p any above
 
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Hermione Granger said:
Get ready to get your wallets flogged.

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I feel like you can bitch about the price without resorting to literal ign "but if you buy 3 extra replacements of things you only need one of that come bundled with the console, it costs over $1000!" that they do for every fucking system that didn't pay them enough of an advertising campaign to make them happy.
 
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I think i'll get a steam deck. Its a pc. and a gaming handheld. It can also emulate some switch and switch 2 games. Most likely.


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Too bad I don't travel a whole lot.
 
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I don't think anyone mentioned it, but they dropped support for SDXC altogether.

I don't know about you guys, but where I live, no shops or even online retailers carry MicroSD Express. This is really kike shit.
 
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I got a preorder in, price with mario kart was around what I expected, and have a feeling Nintendo will do what Sony and Xbox did and put the price up later.

Game prices are a rip off, so will wait for deals on them. Line up has games I want, but mostly what was shown was games I can already play on my pc/steam deck if I really wanted to play them.
 
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⋖ cørdion ⋗ said:
Hey now, they've had it before.

You just had to install an app on your phone and talk into that instead. Oh and remember to match your friend codes! Don't want those nasty gamertags and aliases :)

God they're so fucking stuck in the past
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They are not stuck in the past, they are finally discovering the Internet.
That said, there's one thing they are good at: they know how to make people pay twice and have a 2-tier system for their online service.

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Cyberpunk, Madden, Borderland4 and all other third part developer games where they dont want to pay the nintendo tax for bigger memory cards. Also expect 70 and up for games on switch2, but now with nothing on the card. the shit got insane expensive fast, thank god i dropped nintendo a long time ago. The digital future have come to the nintendo. Pay through the nose and own nothing.

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It's fucked up that they make people pay full price for an empty SD card when they could have just printed the game code on a piece of paper, like other companies do.
 
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Product Placement said:
I got a preorder in, price with mario kart was around what I expected, and have a feeling Nintendo will do what Sony and Xbox did and put the price up later.

Game prices are a rip off, so will wait for deals on them. Line up has games I want, but mostly what was shown was games I can already play on my pc/steam deck if I really wanted to play them.
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Gamepads said:
I don't think anyone mentioned it, but they dropped support for SDXC altogether.

I don't know about you guys, but where I live, no shops or even online retailers carry MicroSD Express. This is really kike shit.
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They likely didn't have a choice. In order to stream fast enough from the card it requires the SD card to have direct access to the PCIe bus. The XBox and the PlayStation 5 both require PCIe based mass storage solutions. The XBox X and XBox S both require expansion cards to contain SSD's using PCIe 4.0 x2 lanes. The storage expansion for the Playstation is also an PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD. The Switch 2 requiring a single PCIe 3.1 lane is not surprising.

It can be easily seen why they need to move to this new standard. The UHS-III standard that the Switch used was limited to 312 MB/s full duplex (which means data going in both directions at once). The new SD Express standard allows for 985 MB/s full duplex, and that is at its lowest speed. At it's highest speed it can reach 3,940 MB/s utilizing 4.0 ×2 PCI-Express lanes, the same requirements that the XBox X and the Playstation 5 use.

Plus, it's not like this is a new standard or anything. It has existed since SD standard 7.0 which was released in June 2018. The current version of the standard is 9.1 released in October 2023. It's just that no one has really had a major need for it, except in normal SD sizes for prosumer video cameras. The Switch 2 is the first major device to need the Micro SD variety of SD Express. Unfortunately that will mean limited supply to begin with, and likely higher prices, but I have no doubt it is necessary.

I saw we should be glad that Nintendo is embracing recent standards since we won't likely see another one for 7-8 years such as with the original Switch.
 
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Prokhor Zakharov said:
They likely didn't have a choice. In order to stream fast enough from the card it requires the SD card to have direct access to the PCIe bus. The XBox and the PlayStation 5 both require PCIe based mass storage solutions. The XBox X and XBox S both require expansion cards to contain SSD's using PCIe 4.0 x2 lanes. The storage expansion for the Playstation is also an PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD. The Switch 2 requiring a single PCIe 3.1 lane is not surprising.

It can be easily seen why they need to move to this new standard. The UHS-III standard that the Switch used was limited to 312 MB/s full duplex (which means data going in both directions at once). The new SD Express standard allows for 985 MB/s full duplex, and that is at its lowest speed. At it's highest speed it can reach 3,940 MB/s utilizing 4.0 ×2 PCI-Express lanes, the same requirements that the XBox X and the Playstation 5 use.

Plus, it's not like this is a new standard or anything. It has existed since SD standard 7.0 which was released in June 2018. The current version of the standard is 9.1 released in October 2023. It's just that no one has really had a major need for it, except in normal SD sizes for prosumer video cameras. The Switch 2 is the first major device to need the Micro SD variety of SD Express. Unfortunately that will mean limited supply to begin with, and likely higher prices, but I have no doubt it is necessary.

I saw we should be glad that Nintendo is embracing recent standards since we won't likely see another one for 7-8 years such as with the original Switch.
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