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You will never convince these retards that going back to Industrial Revolution tier economics isn't a viable strategy for the 21st century. Once someone dares to call it a recession, they'll just blame anyone except Trump for failing to enact his policy of supporting American businesses.
 
The liberals are right tariffs are an ATTACK on our allies. As such we should use the full force of the American Millitary to retaliate against this economic terrorism that has gone on against America for far too long. Don't use tariffs back otherwise we would be no better than them. Just do normal things like bomb their children with drones and use tactical nukes on their capitals.
 
This is nigger babble, complete and utter nigger babble.

So you really think Trump is secretly trying to liberate these countries from American "slavery" a few issues with that. One these countries especially Europe were by and large happy with the status quo so what is the point. China is free from our manufacturing ? You act like America is forcing them to manufacture our shit at gun point despite them having nukes and millions of soldiers. They want to manufacture American stuff so they can have the leverage. Fun fact during the days of Deng Xiaoping China indirectly subsidized America. They did this willingly to get soft power. Once again the people in Africa probably preferred the USAID gibs such as free medication and food. I doubt they minded the PR boost America got and even fi they did it's a small price to pay.

Two massive issues with this. One Trump has made it clear he hates these countries and thins they are stealing from America, this is arguably his most consistent position he has been talking about it since the 80s so the idea that he was fighting a shadow war to benefit them is qanon level larp. Second would this go against America first to hurt American interest for these other countries ?
Go back to the Trump enslavement gloryhole you fucking urban bugman. You are a fan of globalization because you have a worthless clickmouse job and have never created anything of value.
 
Rand Paul is such a faggot his father should be beating him up.

America can do everything in the supply chain, that's what makes us so special and unique. But fag professors had to pretend we're the same as the United Gaydon or Gaymany, thinking it's best to let resources go unused and have liberal brainrot in schools be the power of America. We can have the best tech industry in the world and have people make a living working blue collar because it's that blue collar pool that actually facilitates the genius necessary for the higher fields. We can feed ourselves with good food, we don't need fucking tomatoes from Canada, we don't need Dole to ship fruit from South America to be packaged in Southeast Asia then shipped here.

It's been beaten out of the citizen's mind but America really is blessed in land, location, and people. Utilize it to make the world better, not to give away to ungrateful faggots.
 
US "stopped" being a manufacturing powerhouse for the same reason Germany "stopped" being a manufacturing powerhouse, it just moved to less capital intensive, higher margin buisnesses that depend on R&D (like software, finance, etc etc). It's not like the US does not manufacture, it's just that because manufacturing everything is a race to the bottom, having a manufacturing-dominated industry is incompatible with high salaries, unless, of course, you'd also like to artificially rise those salaries through either agressive trans-company collective negotiation or stupid high protections that force profit margins to be even lower. Playing in industries that are not races to the bottom allow for uncapped growths for capital owners while mantaing higher wages for workers without much goverment intervention. This is also why China stopped being number one on manufacturing shitty goods like clothes, they are also trying to switch to a services-heavy economy, just through a more direct intervention rather than pure market forces.
You say they're doing it to maintain salaries higher but areas like the rust belt have been destroyed financially to the point people have fled those states. They're making far less money than they used too, how come this movement of industrial power hasn't made their states richer in return for a "service based approach" why didn't any of those plants that produced goods be converted into business that are less "capital intensive" instead of being destroyed. This logic does not work because those industries are still invested in heavy "capital intensive" industrial production, they're just invested in other countries and not our own, in fact they're producing far more than they used to.
All this type of shit does is fuck over middle america, it's been literal decades since those manufacturing industries left states and those states have still not even come close to recovering, they have the lowest employment rates, lowest wages, etc.
On top of this "higher slaries" the stats do not lie kike, inflation has increased 3 times more than salaries have, people can't afford or buy as much as they used to, in FACT the average household is buying extensively less than they did even a decade ago.
 
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Liberation day might be Trump's most out of touch retarded decision yet. He is going to unite the entire world against America at a time when America can't afford that.

Strategic autonomy is one thing, The mainstream of America was already investing in that. Biden and his chips act and made in America economic plan. He is desperately trying to recreate a fantasy where America is the only show in town when that just isn't true anymore.

If your a random country IDK Norway, why should you work with America over China ? What does America offer you that you can't get anywhere else ?
The only sane post here
 
Europe were by and large happy with the status quo so what is the point
They were happy being dependent on a country run by ULTRA HITLER: AGENTORANGE? Why didn't they just ask the OG HITLER for military protection instead of fighting him?

Here is where you have to admit Trump isn't Hitler and your just hysterical like a woman or be THANKFUL he is giving Europe time to rearm before he begins Holocaust 2: Jewlectric Space Laser Boogaloo (will put more hair on American men's chest that way).
 
You say they're doing it to maintain salaries higher but areas like the rust belt have been destroyed financially to the point people have fled those states. They're making far less money than they used too, how come this movement of industrial power hasn't made their states richer in return for a "service based approach" why didn't any of those plants that produced goods be converted into business that are less "capital intensive" instead of being destroyed. This logic does not work because those industries are still invested in heavy "capital intensive" industrial production, they're just invested in other countries and not our own, in fact they're producing far more than they used to.
All this type of shit does is fuck over middle america, it's been literal decades since those manufacturing industries left states and those states have still not even come close to recovering, they have the lowest unemployment rates, lowest wages, etc.
Well, they left because you cannot convert a car factory into a law firm or consultancy, the only reason those towns existed dried up, just like how old mining towns had to die when their natural resources dried up. Does it suck? Yes, but the only way to bring them back to life is to make their industries competitive again, and because those buisnesses are races to the bottom, you're either going to increase the cost of everything more massively (probably beyond the tariffs, because if say, Vietnam has a cost of living that is one third of what's in the US, you'd need to raise tariffs to the point where things are a 3 times more expensive for the US salaries to be competitive with Vitenamese salaries), and that's going to ensure people have access to less goods which means buisness compete for a smaller pie. I get what you're saying and empathize with it, but there's also a point where towns really do lose a reason to exist, and to artificially preserve that lifetime at the cost of everything else is not probably a good idea in the long run.
Although, if you see it as a Middle America vs Costal States fight, I think that's fine too, but shit's gonna get a lot uglier once the more populous and (right now) productive costal states get their turn to wear the boot.
 
Reading history so far, I came to the conclusion that the US has plot armor, but rather than guiding the world by a silent and honorable example, it became an annoying evangelist armed to the teeth.

I'm just glad that this country is stepping back to attend to itself, and allow other nations to fumble over by their own idiocy, rather than force globohomo down everyone's throats at gun point.

The US empire is over, and so is neo-liberalism. Get over it and seize the chance to make American goods and services before someone else does it for you.
 
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All this type of shit does is fuck over middle america, it's been literal decades since those manufacturing industries left states and those states have still not even come close to recovering, they have the lowest unemployment rates, lowest wages, etc.
Because they doubled down on manufacturing magically returning in all its past glory rather than accept that the world changed. I have zero sympathy.
 
He is desperately trying to recreate a fantasy where America is the only show in town when that just isn't true anymore.
Bait but, why can't it be? We have automation, spaceships being reused, natural resources... Vietnam and Japan can still be players, but American wants to be on top.

Didn't globalist Klaus say it was "the great reset?" China created covid to gain power, why can't we manufacture our own economic success?
 
US "stopped" being a manufacturing powerhouse for the same reason Germany "stopped" being a manufacturing powerhouse, it just moved to less capital intensive, higher margin buisnesses that depend on R&D (like software, finance, etc etc). It's not like the US does not manufacture, it's just that ,because in manufacturing everything is a race to the bottom, having a manufacturing-dominated economy is incompatible with high salaries, unless, of course, you'd also like to artificially rise those salaries through either agressive trans-company collective negotiation or stupid high protections that force profit margins to be even lower. Playing in industries that are not races to the bottom allow for uncapped growths for capital owners while mantaing higher wages for workers without much goverment intervention. This is also why China stopped being number one on manufacturing shitty goods like clothes, they are also trying to switch to a services-heavy economy, just through a more direct intervention rather than pure market forces.
Maybe what Trump is trying to do is have a balanced economy?

To my understanding both the agricultural and of course the service sector of the US are doing alright all things considered while manufacturing fell behind. I believe that having your economy dominated by a single sector is inherently unhealthy and leads to many problems.

Also MAGA is kinda like capitalist juche-lite so having a balanced and self sufficient economy is necessary for that vision. And America has the geographic potential to make it happen.
 
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