US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[George Lucas]

Are you aware that the amount that Trump was showing in the chart was fabricated out of nothing?
Tue EU doesn't charge the US 39%, it just doesnt.


"The EU does not impose a 39% tariff on US goods
Available evidence shows that the real EU tariff rate is nowhere near the 39% mark.

The European Commission says it charges an average tariff of just 1% on US products entering the EU market, "considering the actual trade in goods". It adds that the US administration collected approximately €7 billion of tariffs on EU products in 2023 compared to the EU's €3 billion on US goods.

A World Trade Organisation (WTO) estimate puts the average tariff rate on US products entering the EU slightly higher at 4.8%.

In both cases, this is far off the 39% figure quoted by the Trump administration."

source; https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...ld-trumps-tariffs-on-the-eu-really-reciprocal

The fact that two organizations give two numbers is enough for me to know that the number is bullshit.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

If people ignored him we wouldn't get retarded takes like "Raising taxes to 90% will force corporations to stay in the country, just like the 50s!".

Is it really worth pages and pages and pages of shit flinging for this gotcha?

 

[oh no its pipkun]

You have been successfully duped. The numbers on the list Trump held up was not actually tariffs these countries have on trade with the US. He presented it as that, which was the point, because then it's justified in the eyes of people like you.

those numbers also include monetary devaluation and trade barriers.

 

[Potatoherder]

If the NYT is mad at Loomer's visit then they were in fact bad eggs and needed to be purged. The media defends their assets.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

No, just that those aren't the real numbers.

he literally said it was a mashup of a bunch of different (at times vague) stuff and called it things like "the sum of all cheating"
no shit it's not the "real" numbers
next you're gonna inform me that he's putting in tariffs

 

[Getting Tard Comed Jr]

It's not OK for China to do what it does, but you have to be careful and strategic about it and consider the tradeoffs. Broad tariffs are an extremely regressive form of tax which means the burden will fall heaviest on people with the lowest incomes.

You also need to plan for impact on supply chains, as well as domestic producers increasing their prices because the tariff lets them get away with it by making competitor products artificially more expensive.

As well as what might happen if the tariffed nations start realigning trade with each other and stop buying US exports, or stop using the US dollar as a reserve currency. Remember, the trade deficit is only one piece of the balance of payments.

Thank you for the attempt. This is an argument agaisnt tariffs generally. I don't agree with it nor do I think the projection at the end is likely to happen. None of this answered my question. Why is it OK for the world to tariff America but not ok for America to tariff the world. Presumably all of the negatives you've just laid out apply to the other countries that have tariffs on American goods and yet they clearly have tariffs in place. The effects you are talking about have not happened in Europe where you can get the same bottle of French wine for more than a third of the price lower in the states.

 

[Verdun_Salient]

I'm sorry? I didn't say anything about if the Smoot-Hawley act was effective or not. Nor did I defend it saying it helped. It was implemented in an attempt to help. My statement is that the Smoot-Hawley act wasn't what started The Depression, as is the claim of the current meta screeching.

Ah I didn't realize you were talking about it from the view of people back then

 

[mooted]

he literally said it was a mashup of a bunch of different (at times vague) stuff and called it things like "the sum of all cheating"
no shit it's not the "real" numbers
next you're gonna inform me that he's putting in tariffs

He is putting in tariffs
(Based on not real numbers)

 

[Jace on ice]

All the dumbest people I know irl are freaking out of the tarrifs so they're probably the right call.

I call it the inverse retard index.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

while everyone was busy with the Tariff's another Dem judge of out San Francisco stopped Noem's order stripping 600K of Biden's imported Venezuelans of their temporary protected status.

He's ordered a stay on any attempts to deport them because "her actions were unauthorized, unreasonable and capricious and based on a negative sterotype" Wow, nice going there judge calling the Sec of Homeland basicly a racists who is crazy.

So this judge is basically saying he knows better then the duly appointed Sectary of Homeland Security. So once against a Dem judge is placing himself above the executive by saying he knows what better.

And of course it's another TRO so any moves to changes the protected status or deport these obviously great citizens of Venezuela is now on hold wile the DoJ fights yet another Democrat Judge trying to keep illegal aliens and criminals in the US.

That's around 600,000 Venezuelans brought in by Biden in 2022 btw. The judge's order protects each and everyone of them.

The judge, an appointee of Democratic President Barack Obama, also said both Noem and Trump had made discriminatory public statements about Venezuelan TPS holders by implying they were criminals and posed a financial burden.
"Generalization of criminality to the Venezuelan TPS population as a whole is baseless and smacks of racism predicated on generalized false stereotypes," Chen wrote, adding that Venezuelan TPS holders were more likely to hold bachelor's degrees than U.S. citizens and less likely to commit crimes than the general U.S. population. Noem's actions smack of racism and discrimination towards a class of people.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...portation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31/

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

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ah, assassination threats on a public platform, all you need is a IP and a secret service agent to knock on your door. watch them fuckin squirm.

 

[gagabobo1997]

Why is it OK for the world to tariff America but not ok for America to tariff the world.

America already has tariffs on much of the world retard

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

He is putting in tariffs
(Based on not real numbers)

you're damn right

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

All the dumbest people I know irl are freaking out of the tarrifs so they're probably the right call.

the dumbest people in the thread are also freaking out. one guy has literally said "maybe if you weren't so poor you'd understand economics better." and HHH had the incredible take of "just tax businesses at 90%, they'll never leave." as well as "they won't pass any cost increases from corporate taxation increases onto the consumer through price hikes or new fees, but they will from tariffs!" even though corporations have demonstrably increased cost for customers at ANY increase in the cost of doing business at all. any excuse is a good one.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

you mean poor people won't be able to waste their money on single-use plastic bullshit from temu and amazon anymore? they might actually have to save and buy a quality item that fulfills the purpose they need, or make a decision if the purchase matches up with their needs at all? oh my god, how horrible! people will have to budget their money! grow the fuck up and learn what it means to tighten your belt, or just not have every single piece of garbage you think you need to make your consoomer life better.

There's a lot more than just finished consumer goods imported from China. You can't just flip a switch and reroute supply chains or expand domestic production, it takes time and investment as well as the labor force to make it possible.

Telling people to just shut up and suffer is a great way to cause massive civil unrest and political backlash. Why should the poor and middle classes suffer while the wealthy got away with the largest upward transfer of wealth in history? Why are we raising taxes on them and not the wealthiest Americans?

 

[Angelos32]

My only concern about the tariffs is that if industry comes back to the US they’re going to uncap H1B so the companies still have their slaves

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

He's remembered for that, and also Tyler

I usually hear it told as a backstory to his presidency instead of as the main course.

Tyler is also more interesting for his life outside of his presidency. Did annex Texas, but is the only US President to be buried under a foreign flag: the Confederate one, as he was a confederate congressman after his presidency and died during the War.

 

[TrinityReformed]

while everyone was busy with the Tariff's another Dem judge of out San Francisco stopped Noem's order stripping 600K of Biden's imported Venezuelans of their temporary protected status.

He's ordered a stay on any attempts to deport them because "her actions were unauthorized, unreasonable and capricious and based on a negative sterotype" Wow, nice going there judge calling the Sec of Homeland basicly a racists who is crazy.

So this judge is basically saying he knows better then the duly appointed Sectary of Homeland Security. So once against a Dem judge is placing himself above the executive by saying he knows what better.

And of course it's another TRO so any moves to changes the protected status or deport these obviously great citizens of Venezuela is now on hold wile the DoJ fights yet another Democrat Judge trying to keep illegal aliens and criminals in the US.

That's around 600,000 Venezuelans brought in by Biden in 2022 btw. The judge's order protects each and everyone of them.

The judge, an appointee of Democratic President Barack Obama, also said both Noem and Trump had made discriminatory public statements about Venezuelan TPS holders by implying they were criminals and posed a financial burden.
"Generalization of criminality to the Venezuelan TPS population as a whole is baseless and smacks of racism predicated on generalized false stereotypes," Chen wrote, adding that Venezuelan TPS holders were more likely to hold bachelor's degrees than U.S. citizens and less likely to commit crimes than the general U.S. population. Noem's actions smack of racism and discrimination towards a class of people.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...portation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31/

They'll ignore it and deport them still, right? Please?

 

[DOUBLE_WHEEL]

Is it really worth pages and pages and pages of shit flinging for this gotcha?

Yes, if only because it should solidify(if they didn't already know) in most people's heads he has no idea what he's talking about and it wasn't really that many pages because he ran away after people started pointing out how retarded it was.

 

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NO MY NUMBER MUST GO UP NOW NOW NOW

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Remember, all of this is the fault of the boomers promising themselves that they would have exorbitant lives of luxury and fuck them kids, they can just pull themselves up by the bootstraps like they did.
(Said boomers then sold said bootstraps for $5 to the Chinese and then wasted it all on a trip to Vegas.)

But it doesn't matter, because the boomers WERE promised to live lives of unparalleled luxury forever, even though the boomers promised the boomers that lifestyle, they WILL demand that we all uphold the promise, that the line will forever go up, even if that means you have to live in bugman hives competing with a bunch of stupid smelly Pajeets for who will work the hardest for the least amount of pay, all so your neighbor's grandparents can go on worldwide cruises 2-3 times a year for the rest of their lives while sitting on 3 houses they won't leave their children (and have already reverse mortgaged so they'd have more money to play with).

I once heard the observation that eventually, even though corporations are intentionally retarding the development of culture (pop culture and otherwise) because the current culture is "safe" and they know how to sell it, that someday people are just not going to give a shit about 80s and 90s movies, comics, cartoons, etc anymore -- and when that happens, the Gen Xers and Millennials are going to come absolutely fucking unglued.

I have to wonder if we're about to hit the same kind of point with the Boomers. "WE don't GIVE a shit about your fucking line going up, I had an advertisement to finance a fucking burrito yesterday on my phone and I refuse to live like this so you can go on yet another cross country trip."

(For real fun, imagine when we as a culture reach this point with Israel.)