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Should be a wild four years.

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I'm just amazed how many people love having other people take their money for no reason and think they'd be in the wrong for ever demanding any of that money back. Where were you niggers when I was going to school? I'd have bullied the ever-loving shit out of you. You mean I can steal your lunch money and I have your guarantee you'll never do anything about it? Gee, thanks for the money, you spineless doormats. God, you guys are dumb fucking niggers.
 
What was wrong with Biden's economic policy from your perspective ? What can you criticize him for that can't be said about Trump ?
Personally?

In Trump's first term, I was able to rent my first apartment, buy my first car, and got my first adult job.

Under Biden, my savings stagnated while my grocery bill doubled and rent hiked. For what? To save a CIA money laundromat and give corporate handouts as DEI good goy points. All the while, I was told everything was fucking peachy, and that my wallet was lying to me.

NOW liberals pretend to care about inflation? You, whose response to high gas prices was "Let Them Drive Teslas"? Go fuck yourself with broken rusty rebar.

Trump's tariffs cannot hurt me any more than Biden already has.

I didn't vote for Trump to make my life better. I voted for Trump to hurt liberals. I want the ones who turned this country into a Weimar nightmare to suffer. My vote was driven by revenge and spite.
 
The Houthi conflict is a previously existing foreign war mostly peaceful trade route dispute.
America was not directly involved until the red sea stuff.

The main opposition to the Houthis has been Saudi Arabia which America actually stopped. Even Trump made a big show of how the Saudis were mean and the Houthis were good boys who dindu nuffin
 
More crying about Loomer. They're really pissed about Trump getting rid of those NSC people.

Loomer’s Role in Firings Shows Rising Sway of Fringe Figures on Trump
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman, and Ken Bensinger
2025-04-04 22:03:40GMT
Laura Loomer had President Trump’s full attention.

Sitting directly across from the president in the Oval Office, Ms. Loomer, the far-right agitator and conspiracy theorist, held a stack of papers that detailed a litany of accusations about “disloyal” members of the National Security Council. The national security adviser, Michael Waltz, had arrived late and could only watch as Ms. Loomer ripped into his staff.

Fire them, Mr. Trump instructed Mr. Waltz, according to people with knowledge of the meeting on Wednesday. The president was furious and demanded to know why these people had been hired in the first place.

The events of Wednesday and Thursday, with more than a half-dozen national security officials fired on the advice of Ms. Loomer, unsettled even some veteran Trump officials. But the situation perfectly encapsulates Mr. Trump’s longtime penchant for soliciting information from dubious sources. The difference now, in Mr. Trump’s second term, is that he has fewer people around him who try to keep those voices away.

In a social media post on Friday, Ms. Loomer explained why two of the people who lost their jobs this week were on her list. Gen. Timothy D. Haugh, the head of the National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command, had been chosen by Gen. Mark Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, whom Ms. Loomer called a traitor. And General Haugh’s deputy, Wendy Noble, was close to James Clapper, a former director of national intelligence and fierce critic of Mr. Trump.

People close to General Haugh said he did not know how he ended up in Ms. Loomer’s cross hairs. He was traveling in Japan when the Pentagon told him that his “services would no longer be needed,” without any further explanation, according to two former U.S. officials.

White House officials did not respond to questions about the meeting. In a statement, the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, said: “President Trump has assembled a great team of people who work tirelessly to better our country. As we have always said, and the president maintained last night when speaking with reporters on Air Force One, he continues to have confidence in Mike Waltz and his national security team.”

During Mr. Trump’s first term, some aides, in particular John F. Kelly, the former Marine general who was the president’s longest-serving chief of staff, spent a large portion of their days blocking off people they described as “the crazies.”

But by the end of 2020, those efforts had entirely broken down. Mr. Trump had fired his gatekeepers, or they had resigned in disgust, and a parade of fringe figures had easy access to the Oval Office.

People eager to feed into his belief that the November presidential race had been stolen from him had freewheeling access to Mr. Trump in the final weeks of his first term. They included Mike Lindell, the chief executive of MyPillow, and Sidney Powell, a former federal prosecutor who spread wild conspiracy theories about foreign interference in the 2020 election.

With Mr. Trump now more confident in his executive power and instincts and bolstered by a team that shares his sense of persecution, there is no pretense that he can be controlled or managed. The door to the Oval Office is wide open and seated just outside it is Natalie Harp, a former far-right television presenter who lives in the internet’s fever swamps and is deeply devoted to the president.

Ms. Loomer was not alone with the president during the meeting on Wednesday. Also in the room at various points were Vice President JD Vance; Susie Wiles, the chief of staff; Howard Lutnick, the commerce secretary; and Sergio Gor, the head of presidential personnel. At some point, they were joined by Representative Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, a congressman who, like Ms. Powell and Mr. Lindell, was a key player in Mr. Trump’s efforts to cling to power after his 2020 loss.

Mr. Perry was appointed months ago to the House Intelligence Committee, giving him a level of visibility into intelligence and activities in Mr. Trump’s government, including inside some of the agencies under discussion in the meeting.

But while Mr. Perry is an elected lawmaker, Ms. Loomer, who twice ran unsuccessfully for Congress, is the kind of blunt-force operative that Mr. Trump has been drawn to since 1973, when he hired Roy M. Cohn, first as a lawyer and then as a mentor and fixer.

Ms. Loomer calls Roger J. Stone Jr., another of Mr. Cohn’s acolytes and Mr. Trump’s longest-serving political adviser, her mentor. But while Mr. Stone had worked for mainstream political candidates over several decades and Mr. Cohn was close with top levels of business and political elites, Ms. Loomer, just 31, had operated entirely on the fringes until Mr. Trump’s first presidency. And in her version of political warfare, nothing is out of bounds.

During the 2024 Republican primary contest, when she was arguably Mr. Trump’s most aggressive online advocate, she floated the baseless conspiracy theory that the wife of his rival, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, had faked her breast cancer.

Mr. Trump and some in his orbit view Ms. Loomer as a talented researcher, capable of finding dirt others cannot, or will not, excavate. And Mr. Trump has long liked having allies who are willing to lob attacks that even he might consider too risky, allowing the president to distance himself.

Ms. Loomer has fashioned herself as a loyalty enforcer from outside the administration, but she has solid enough relationships inside to be added to Mr. Trump’s calendar for a meeting. Several weeks ago, she incorporated an opposition research firm called Loomered Strategies, and frequently posts information on social media to discredit and question the loyalty of people working for Mr. Trump.

Recently, she has focused on targeting judges who have opposed Mr. Trump and named several administration staff members she insisted were subversive or didn’t belong there.

In the days before the meeting — originally scheduled for Monday but moved when she couldn’t get to Washington in time — Ms. Loomer had posted about several N.S.C. aides she insisted needed to be removed. Shortly after, the N.S.C. began sending some of those people back to their home agencies.

Typically, in previous administrations, the N.S.C. staff does not go through the presidential personnel vetting process that other aides do. But in this iteration of the Trump White House, N.S.C. staff members were vetted by administration officials. One hire was stopped midway through the hiring process when Mr. Trump’s personnel team discovered the person had been somewhat critical about the pro-Trump riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

But the intense focus on who is deemed “loyal” and who isn’t has been a factor since the transition. The criteria are often confusing, with senior officials sending mixed messages in public and private.

On Thursday, Ms. Loomer defended Mr. Gor on the social media site X, saying, “Sergio is 100% correct to implement LOYALTY OATHS. Leave Sergio alone!”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One on Thursday, the president insisted that Ms. Loomer had nothing to do with the firings. But he also said, “She makes recommendations of things and people, and sometimes I listen to those recommendations.”

Reached by phone in Los Angeles on Friday morning, Ms. Loomer advocated even more dismissals.

“In my opinion President Trump should re-evaluate his entire National Security Council,” she said as she prepared for a deposition of the TV host Bill Maher. Ms. Loomer sued the comedian for defamation in October, because of remarks he had made on air about her relationship with Mr. Trump.

She added that “if the president still has confidence in Michael Waltz’s ability to be an effective N.S.C. director, then Michael Waltz needs to either take a course on vetting or learn to do a better job at vetting.”
With Mr. Trump now more confident in his executive power and instincts and bolstered by a team that shares his sense of persecution, there is no pretense that he can be controlled or managed.
These faggots want nothing more than the whole of his administration to be filled with people like Vindman and Bolton.
 
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MAGA patriots are now unironically promoting leftist anti-consumerist/anti-technological values and the return to an unironical agrarian society. Very American indeed.

What a ride.
Not only that but suddenly they care about labor rights and working conditions in foreign countries. And environmental pollution from industries supplying the west!

Very amusing to see.
 
I didn't vote for Trump to make my life better. I voted for Trump to hurt liberals. I want the ones who turned this country into a Weimar nightmare to suffer. My vote was driven by revenge and spite.
I bet the billionaires are really scared of having to pay 20 dollars more for gas. How will they ever survive ?

Also these people you hate, All Trump has done is give them tax cuts. He is planning to cut income tax which is mostly paid by the wealthy one of the few things tilted in favor of a working class person.
 
He said what he should have done was tell the manufacturers that he was raising the tariffs by 0.1% every year for ten years, and to slowly train workers while the companies build factories here.
Trump's tariffs policy may be extremely risky but the idea of the status quo of bringing industry back via length negotiations is even more retarded.

We have been doing some version of what your teacher is proposing for decades. Most of the attempts fail, while some succeed. The problem is that manufacturing higher end items in developing nations is too attractive.

Trump is a no hold barred, all-in kind of guy.

Do I think Trump's tariffs plan is the best choice?

No.

But it is a shakeup from the status quo that have killed US manufacturing and keeps it dead.

Whether it will pay of in the end is anyone's guess. Either protectionism is reduced and we all grow wealthier or we suffer another recession.
 
Left on economics and right on social issues is the best combo.
The third position is the way forward. I praise Xi Jing Ping's management of China. Many people do not know this but Xi was heavily influenced by Carl Schmitt. Fun fact Carl Schmitt's Wikipedia page has a whole section on this.

National socialist were right on a lot of things.
 
MAGA patriots are now unironically promoting leftist anti-consumerist/anti-technological values and the return to an unironical agrarian society. Very American indeed.

What a ride.
I didn't say anything in this that's anti-technology you retard. There are plenty of people who invest in work computers (including Mac), that they keep for years until it needs to be upgraded or replaced. If they need to do this more frequently, presumably their industry allows them to do so either by their company investing in the upgrade or their own success allowing them to upgrade frequently if needed (though this often isn't needed).

Plenty of people who buy a gaming console and an occasional game here and there as their budget allows without feeling the need to buy everything day one with no selection criteria.

Plenty of people who buy expensive shoes or nice quality clothes they use until they wear out and need to be replaced.

Plenty of people who buy model kits and put them together as a hobby without the need to buy every single shitty ugly ass funko pop plastic trash that comes out.

If people simply cannot handle not being able to buy EVERYTHING for pennies or disposable trash shoes/plastic crap/tissue paper quality clothing even if it means their fellow citizens are cucked out of a job, their country's economy is sacrificed at the alter of consumerism, and soulless chinks get more and more economic power then yes I have a fucking problem with that.

If they're not able to handle going without their baby toys and nigger bling even for a little while during these course corrections they should probably fucking kill themselves because they are worthless leeches concerned with nothing but their own dopamine rushes (see: Kevin Gibes and his shrine to plastic depression bought with gibs).

That is not anti-technology, and as for anti-consumer, I don't think consumers lives are enriched by shit not built to standard, full of lead, heavy metals, pesticides, and built by overseas slaves. Building those things in the US would be better for the workers and the consumers because it would help them make sure they're getting what they actually paid for instead of something that will poison them, break, or burn their house down.

I can't even tell what you're even arguing here. That wanting American industry to boom is... anti-MAGA?
That wanting to guzzle chink pesticide laden cum is patriotic? That wanting technology and medicine to be focused in the US instead of within the grip and control of our rivals is bad somehow? Baffling.
 
Whether it will pay of in the end is anyone's guess. Either protectionism is reduced and we all grow wealthier or we suffer another recession.
"Another?" We've been in a recession since 2020. All that recent growth was driven by tech companies working on AI.

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I know 80% of the people itt are too poor and/or retarded to care, but this is not winning and it never will be.
Older Kiwis: noooooo the NASDAQ is down nearly 20%!!!
Younger Kiwis: The heck's a Naz Dack? I just want to be able to afford a house.
 
If people simply cannot handle not being able to buy EVERYTHING for pennies or disposable trash shoes/plastic crap/tissue paper quality clothing even if it means their fellow citizens are cucked out of a job, their country's economy is sacrificed at the alter of consumerism, and soulless chinks get more and more economic power then yes I have a fucking problem with that.
The issue many people have is this. The tariffs are a tangible thing that hurts us now. There is no guarantee that the tariffs will pay off. You act like it's picking between short term expense for long term prosperity. when it's more like taking a guaranteed loss now (at a time when people have less to lose) for the chance that there will be tons of jobs in the future.
 
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