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Should be a wild four years.

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MAGA patriots are now unironically promoting leftist anti-consumerist/anti-technological values and the return to an unironical agrarian society. Very American indeed.

What a ride.
Not only that but suddenly they care about labor rights and working conditions in foreign countries. And environmental pollution from industries supplying the west!

Very amusing to see.
 
I didn't vote for Trump to make my life better. I voted for Trump to hurt liberals. I want the ones who turned this country into a Weimar nightmare to suffer. My vote was driven by revenge and spite.
I bet the billionaires are really scared of having to pay 20 dollars more for gas. How will they ever survive ?

Also these people you hate, All Trump has done is give them tax cuts. He is planning to cut income tax which is mostly paid by the wealthy one of the few things tilted in favor of a working class person.
 
He said what he should have done was tell the manufacturers that he was raising the tariffs by 0.1% every year for ten years, and to slowly train workers while the companies build factories here.
Trump's tariffs policy may be extremely risky but the idea of the status quo of bringing industry back via length negotiations is even more retarded.

We have been doing some version of what your teacher is proposing for decades. Most of the attempts fail, while some succeed. The problem is that manufacturing higher end items in developing nations is too attractive.

Trump is a no hold barred, all-in kind of guy.

Do I think Trump's tariffs plan is the best choice?

No.

But it is a shakeup from the status quo that have killed US manufacturing and keeps it dead.

Whether it will pay of in the end is anyone's guess. Either protectionism is reduced and we all grow wealthier or we suffer another recession.
 
Left on economics and right on social issues is the best combo.
The third position is the way forward. I praise Xi Jing Ping's management of China. Many people do not know this but Xi was heavily influenced by Carl Schmitt. Fun fact Carl Schmitt's Wikipedia page has a whole section on this.

National socialist were right on a lot of things.
 
MAGA patriots are now unironically promoting leftist anti-consumerist/anti-technological values and the return to an unironical agrarian society. Very American indeed.

What a ride.
I didn't say anything in this that's anti-technology you retard. There are plenty of people who invest in work computers (including Mac), that they keep for years until it needs to be upgraded or replaced. If they need to do this more frequently, presumably their industry allows them to do so either by their company investing in the upgrade or their own success allowing them to upgrade frequently if needed (though this often isn't needed).

Plenty of people who buy a gaming console and an occasional game here and there as their budget allows without feeling the need to buy everything day one with no selection criteria.

Plenty of people who buy expensive shoes or nice quality clothes they use until they wear out and need to be replaced.

Plenty of people who buy model kits and put them together as a hobby without the need to buy every single shitty ugly ass funko pop plastic trash that comes out.

If people simply cannot handle not being able to buy EVERYTHING for pennies or disposable trash shoes/plastic crap/tissue paper quality clothing even if it means their fellow citizens are cucked out of a job, their country's economy is sacrificed at the alter of consumerism, and soulless chinks get more and more economic power then yes I have a fucking problem with that.

If they're not able to handle going without their baby toys and nigger bling even for a little while during these course corrections they should probably fucking kill themselves because they are worthless leeches concerned with nothing but their own dopamine rushes (see: Kevin Gibes and his shrine to plastic depression bought with gibs).

That is not anti-technology, and as for anti-consumer, I don't think consumers lives are enriched by shit not built to standard, full of lead, heavy metals, pesticides, and built by overseas slaves. Building those things in the US would be better for the workers and the consumers because it would help them make sure they're getting what they actually paid for instead of something that will poison them, break, or burn their house down.

I can't even tell what you're even arguing here. That wanting American industry to boom is... anti-MAGA?
That wanting to guzzle chink pesticide laden cum is patriotic? That wanting technology and medicine to be focused in the US instead of within the grip and control of our rivals is bad somehow? Baffling.
 
Whether it will pay of in the end is anyone's guess. Either protectionism is reduced and we all grow wealthier or we suffer another recession.
"Another?" We've been in a recession since 2020. All that recent growth was driven by tech companies working on AI.

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I know 80% of the people itt are too poor and/or retarded to care, but this is not winning and it never will be.
Older Kiwis: noooooo the NASDAQ is down nearly 20%!!!
Younger Kiwis: The heck's a Naz Dack? I just want to be able to afford a house.
 
If people simply cannot handle not being able to buy EVERYTHING for pennies or disposable trash shoes/plastic crap/tissue paper quality clothing even if it means their fellow citizens are cucked out of a job, their country's economy is sacrificed at the alter of consumerism, and soulless chinks get more and more economic power then yes I have a fucking problem with that.
The issue many people have is this. The tariffs are a tangible thing that hurts us now. There is no guarantee that the tariffs will pay off. You act like it's picking between short term expense for long term prosperity. when it's more like taking a guaranteed loss now (at a time when people have less to lose) for the chance that there will be tons of jobs in the future.
 
I am begging all the liberal asslickers who are either clocking in or trying to get screengrabs to get reddit karma, please make better posts than "heh, friendo, guess this political thing Blumpf is doing is a heckin' hypocritical thing now because of something years ago, huh? *Jon Stewart shrug and wide eyes* *smug look away from the monitor as you hit the reply button*" Begging. Try being a whole new type of faggot.
 
A basic bitch formula is all you need.
It’s still really damned odd to use a basic bitch formula for *trade imbalances* and calling it a reciprocal tariff formula.

Everyone expected Trump to come down hard on tariffs but this goes so far beyond that. It’s more akin to some mafioso wink-nudge threat “we all love our kids, don’t we? Would be a real shame for one of them to fall off a balcony, my dear old mother would be beside herself with grief.” Some of these countries would descend into outright revolution if the rates on Trump’s chart actually took effect.

Honestly pretty based strategy if it works. International trade is currently gamed out to be obtuse as hell to avoid effective reactions from Respectable Politicians - look at China’s bullshit over the last 24 hours “boo hoo hoo we only have 400B of exports to the US” because they route a ton of shit through other countries. Strategies to box out Respectable Politicians apparently fall apart in the face of the Chaos Candidate.
 
have you considered that maybe being a manufacturing prole country is retarded and there's a reason why we've spent centuries trying to move away from that
The goal is to manufacturer higher end items while leaving the Temu / Dollar store crap to the other nations.

One way is to have the items your nation produces be more competitive in the target nation by removing barriers.

Yes, manufacturing shitty fast fashion dresses isn't what I want for a nation but I don't what this nation to be filled with an upper "class" of designers, mid-level managers, engineers, etc. while the rest of us work at the Amazon warehouse.
 
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