The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Betonhaus]

I thought vim was more then that but I guess i was wrong.

 

[Miller]

I'm done with technology if it ever comes to this.
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Gnome used to have an extension like that as a joke, it said "Activate GNOME".

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

They do have some (beyond just the ones you can get via jail breaking) with AltStore and stuff, but its not as big as Android because it's such a pain to install and update them.
whether it'll gain more popularity in the future is up for debate, I personally dont think it'll happen.

nigga apple gay af

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

5 years for me this month, It dawned on me the other day that I dont even pay attention to it anymore, LMDE has settled into the background enough for me where ill only even fuck with it again the next time I do a platform upgrade. The last time I was this switched off on my OS was W7 so, yeah, feels pretty good bros.

 

[TheDataHorder]

nigga apple gay af

true, but with jailbreaking I can make jobs roll in his grave and tim cook seeth and mald. and that's worth dealing with niggerware like apple ahit.

 

[CheepMeds]

I apologize if someone has already asked something like this when US first was talking about putting tariffs on the whole world, but...
Aren't these trade wars very bullish for Linux and mostly everything FOSS?

I imagine China and Europe probably aren't so keen on staying dependent on Microsoft and Apple now. So what would be a better way to stick it to US than gradually transitioning to a "neutral" "competitor" that costs 0(zero) USD and then propagandize to it's citizens that it is the patriotic thing to do?

I was surprised how many FOSS alternatives already are European based, so it seems like EU has it's foot in this door - https://european-alternatives.eu/categories
And I assume chinks are generally masters at copy/pasting cheaper alternatives in order to disrupt other markets.
I hope this can be answered without picking teams other than "Team Tux".

 

[Betonhaus]

I apologize if someone has already asked something like this when US first was talking about putting tariffs on the whole world, but...
Aren't these trade wars very bullish for Linux and mostly everything FOSS?

I imagine China and Europe probably aren't so keen on staying dependent on Microsoft and Apple now. So what would be a better way to stick it to US than gradually transitioning to a "neutral" "competitor" that costs 0(zero) USD and then propagandize to it's citizens that it is the patriotic thing to do?

I was surprised how many FOSS alternatives already are European based, so it seems like EU has it's foot in this door - https://european-alternatives.eu/categories
And I assume chinks are generally masters at copy/pasting cheaper alternatives in order to disrupt other markets.
I hope this can be answered without picking teams other than "Team Tux".

Last I checked China and Russia did have home grown OSs that are based on Linux, but there's key differences. The Huawei Harmony OS was based on Android but is closed source and no longer compatible with Android apps, for example.

 

[CheepMeds]

Last I checked China and Russia did have home grown OSs that are based on Linux, but there's key differences. The Huawei Harmony OS was based on Android but is closed source and no longer compatible with Android apps, for example.

For Russia, all I know about is their Astra Linux, which is made for military personal so I expect it's influence to be on par as the North Korean distro.
Makes me wonder why aren't there more talk about what software the larger Russian public now uses? Are they still mostly on Windows?

Spoiler: Here is what Brave's LLM said on the matter

Based on the search results, there is no direct information about the current market share of operating systems used by Russians. However, I can provide some context.

Before the war, Microsoft Windows was indeed the dominant operating system in Russia. According to a 2020 report, Windows held around 90% market share in Russia.

However, since the war began, there has been a growing interest in using alternative operating systems, such as Linux, due to concerns about data security and independence from Western companies. Some Russian companies and organizations have started to adopt Linux and other open-source operating systems as a way to reduce their reliance on foreign technology.

It's worth noting that the current situation is complex, and the market share of operating systems in Russia may have changed since the war began. However, I couldn't find any recent data to confirm this.

Huawei Harmony OS sounds like a Chinese equivalent to Chromebook. They might go further that way, even though they have Deepin that ranks pretty high on Distrowatch (34th place).
That is why I'm more optimistic about Europe, since Linux in general is the closest thing to their own "home-grown OS".

 

[Max Weber]

Makes me wonder why aren't there more talk about what software the larger Russian public now uses? Are they still mostly on Windows?

For the larger public, very few things changed. If you can't pay for something, you just go across the border to one of the -stans, get a bank account there, and use that instead of rubles. Or use one of many services that will handle everything for you for a fee, that's a whole new market. Or you just pirate it, that's still ubiquitous, I think. For Windows specifically, if you don't have it preinstalled and activated and don't want to pirate it, you just buy a 1$ key off a digital marketplace.
As for organizations, that's obviously more difficult. Some migrated to Astra or some other Linux distro, but those are mostly government-controlled, -owned, or otherwise important enough to be told to ditch Windows. For private companies, moving to Linux and changing all processes and retraining all your staff is probably more expensive than just staying on your existing licenses of Win 10 and hoping that shit gets resolved before it's dead. And now that it's approaching EOL they slowly start migrating to, surprise-surprise, Windows 11. Because no matter how hard both foreign and Russian governments try, there are ways to acquire pretty much anything that are legal (or mostly legal), albeit more expensive and time-consuming.

 

[Slav Power]

https://european-alternatives.eu/categories

Ah, that explains the new "Made with in Europe" slogan on the Vivaldi startup screen with the latest update. Also the Proton VPN integration. A bit pretentious but encouraging alternatives to avoid the FAANG monopoly is always a good thing.

Odd how KeePass isn't listed as a password manager alternative, even though the project is made by a German, the EU has sponsored security audits for it twice (which it passed w/ flying colors), and it's been recommended by German and Swiss governments, with the latter preinstalling it on government computers by default. I've been a happy "customer" of KeePass for well over a decade and a whole bunch of entries in my database outlived the services they were for. Rather depressing if you think about it.

 

[Meriasek]

I imagine China and Europe probably aren't so keen on staying dependent on Microsoft and Apple now. So what would be a better way to stick it to US than gradually transitioning to a "neutral" "competitor" that costs 0(zero) USD and then propagandize to it's citizens that it is the patriotic thing to do?

A long time ago, my city tried to move from Windows to a specially made Linux distro for their municipal needs. Roll-out was nearly complete, then the city government changed and after pressure from Microsoft threatening to move their German headquarters away, they went back to Windows.

 

[CheepMeds]

A long time ago, my city tried to move from Windows to a specially made Linux distro for their municipal needs. Roll-out was nearly complete, then the city government changed and after pressure from Microsoft threatening to move their German headquarters away, they went back to Windows.

I like to think that it's a good thing that you guys laid the road map and walked the whole way once. So now if there is a political counter-Microsoft pressure it will be easier and faster to switch and this time it could stick.

 

[Meriasek]

I like to think that it's a good thing that you guys laid the road map and walked the whole way once. So now if there is a political counter-Microsoft pressure it will be easier and faster to switch and this time it could stick.

Let's hope so. They used a system based on Ubuntu, but surely they could also go for a SUSE/OpenSUSE solution if they would want to stick to domestic stuff. Not that "domestic" would mean much for FOSS, but OpenSUSE is decently well known here and it's a very stable and usable system.
Due to the federal system basically everyone German state does things differently and we're really slow with digitalization of public services, but it'd be a huge deal if they got their shit together and managed to unify all computer systems and establish a FOSS-based solution. Of course, Microsoft would not be happy to lose such a big market. It'd also take quite a bit to roll out the new systems and train people on them and get things going. All of this shit should have been started twenty years ago.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

A video of lunduke sucking himself off.

 

[Vesperus]

A video of lunduke sucking himself off.

The best way to deal with Lunduke is look at the video title, then go and google it so you you don't have to listen to him. It's a technique I developed for Louis Rossmann.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Why does Lunduke talk like he's about to spoil a book/game/movie?

 

[Cherenkovblue]

The best way to deal with Lunduke is look at the video title, then go and google it so you you don't have to listen to him. It's a technique I developed for Louis Rossmann.

I prefer to think of that the Tim Poole technique. Louis is okay as long as he's just talking about right to repair, dumb shit new york does, and companies behaving badly. Anything else he comes off like a fucking boomer.

 

[Local Trash Enthusiast]

Resurrected a free 2009 Mac Pro a buddy gave me. In this configuration, it would have cost well over 10,000$ in its day, I added USB-C, Wifi 7, and a 1070 (its PCIe Gen 2, so I'm nearing as hard of a bottleneck as possible). Its incredible to see a Nehalem Xeon set game in 2025! Its booted every game I've thrown at it EXCEPT Palworld, due to missing instructions. Most games run at 1080p100fps though many start to bottleneck really hard and get weird stutters, so 1080p60fps is stable and less jittery. Had to reinstall the OS though, Nobara 41 dropped support for the 10 series, so I had to move back to the closed drivers. I use Windows IoT LTSC on my main computer, due to using a lot of weird romhacking tools that wine gets iffy with, but I always love tinkering around squeezing every last ounce of performance out of old high end hardware. I will say though, its a tad spooky just how little it feels like hardware has improved since 2015. My i9 12900k doesn't feel that much more advanced than some of these old Xeons at all. Though lightweight 32bit operating systems like Icaros Desktop (an Amiga-like) show that modern software really does undo all the advancement we've made in tech. I really do hope that one day in the future, once we fully plateau hardware wise (which the 50 series and the 12th to 14th gen i9s have proven we are getting close to), software finally optimizes and grants us the futuristic experience we never got but always deserved.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Resurrected a free 2009 Mac Pro a buddy gave me. In this configuration, it would have cost well over 10,000$ in its day, I added USB-C, Wifi 7, and a 1070 (its PCIe Gen 2, so I'm nearing as hard of a bottleneck as possible). Its incredible to see a Nehalem Xeon set game in 2025! Its booted every game I've thrown at it EXCEPT Palworld, due to missing instructions. Most games run at 1080p100fps though many start to bottleneck really hard and get weird stutters, so 1080p60fps is stable and less jittery. Had to reinstall the OS though, Nobara 41 dropped support for the 10 series, so I had to move back to the closed drivers. I use Windows IoT LTSC on my main computer, due to using a lot of weird romhacking tools that wine gets iffy with, but I always love tinkering around squeezing every last ounce of performance out of old high end hardware. I will say though, its a tad spooky just how little it feels like hardware has improved since 2015. My i9 12900k doesn't feel that much more advanced than some of these old Xeons at all. Though lightweight 32bit operating systems like Icaros Desktop (an Amiga-like) show that modern software really does undo all the advancement we've made in tech. I really do hope that one day in the future, once we fully plateau hardware wise (which the 50 series and the 12th to 14th gen i9s have proven we are getting close to), software finally optimizes and grants us the futuristic experience we never got but always deserved.

This is one of the use cases Gentoo is actually really good for. Though if you are compiling the stuff on the actual old hardware instead of using distcc or something along those lines it can take a bit. But it lets you easily compile programs for the exact hardware you want to use.

Idk about games specifically though.

 

[CheepMeds]

Let's hope so. They used a system based on Ubuntu, but surely they could also go for a SUSE/OpenSUSE solution if they would want to stick to domestic stuff. Not that "domestic" would mean much for FOSS, but OpenSUSE is decently well known here and it's a very stable and usable system.
Due to the federal system basically everyone German state does things differently and we're really slow with digitalization of public services, but it'd be a huge deal if they got their shit together and managed to unify all computer systems and establish a FOSS-based solution. Of course, Microsoft would not be happy to lose such a big market. It'd also take quite a bit to roll out the new systems and train people on them and get things going. All of this shit should have been started twenty years ago.

The whole tariff team sports spirit has gotten me to delve into OpenSUSE properly for the first time and I feel like I've been missing out.
I'm sensing the same mindset as KDE - giving the user a gui setting for everything. I really like Plasma for this. I think OpenSUSE Slowroll might be the distro that gets me to daily drive a rolling os.

I don't know what is up with EU OS people picking Fedora. They say they are not married to it as the base, so I hope they eventually get around talking with SUSE people.