The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

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Yes, but that is no longer an option. America was a powerhouse of manufacturing because others weren't. Now, they are.
China is the second biggest consumer market in the world, and American consumers outspend Chinese consumers 3 to 1. If you legitimately think that a majority of industries are going to willingly give up 3/5 of their entire consumer market when the past shows they are willing to move house just to be able to trade with other countries then you're wrong.
 
China is the second biggest consumer market in the world, and American consumers outspend Chinese consumers 3 to 1. If you legitimately think that a majority of industries are going to willingly give up 3/5 of their entire consumer market when the past shows they are willing to move house just to be able to trade with other countries then you're wrong.
What does that have to do with anything? The point is if you want to bring in a manufacturing sector you have to do it cheaper than China, Vietnam, India, etc. Which is only possible with lower labor regulations OR tariffs. And if you do tariffs you can't export it to the rest of the world because it would only be cheaper inside America.
 
I'm personally excited for the crying from people who use/enable Temu/ Aliexpress/ Shien and other Chinesium fast fashion haul crap.

Suffer influencers and massively trash producing fashioned industry, suffer.
I'm excited for a rebirth of locally produced clothing at improved prices, it'll take some years to fully pan out, but you bet your ass I'll buy clothing made in America that lasts a decade over any Temu trash that disintegrates after two months
 
If Manufacturing is brought back in America it would alleviate the amount of people working and trying to get into the service industry, a lot of people are going into said industry because it is currently the only way not to be financially fucked for your entire life, if these people had options of saying not getting into a bunch of debt to get a diploma when they could work at a factory and make a wage enough to get a house, car, and to live on then a bunch of people would choose not to go into formal education.
Hell look no further to again the attorney crisis, this crisis is very VERY recent, as in fucking zoomers recent.
It won't be, not like this, you can't just slap tariffs on all the biggest trading partners and expect free market magic to bring back manufacturing jobs, these supply lines have been utilized for decades and would take many years to re-create.
 
Tarriffs can easily reach double digits in welfare countries.
What the fuck is a "welfare country"?
And even if they don't use tarriffs directly, they'll find some other way to tax the everloving shit out of western products
Most non Western countries are net exporters, not importers, they straight up can't afford exports from the overinflated American economy denominated in dollars.

The two countries with obscenely high import taxes, ostensibly for populist protectionist bullshit but in reality for corrupt governments to embezzle money out of subsidies for local industries, Brazil and Argentina, are not exactly economic powerhouses.
usually environmental based.
What the fuck are you talking about? A third of Tesla's revenue, the most overvalued American corporation by far, is from selling carbon credits.
 
What does that have to do with anything? The point is if you want to bring in a manufacturing sector you have to do it cheaper than China, Vietnam, India, etc. Which is only possible with lower labor regulations OR tariffs. And if you do tariffs you can't export it to the rest of the world because it would only be cheaper inside America.
Dude the average car costs about 12k to make, a 100% on China means that car manufacturers (whether they be American companies in China or just Chinese companies) lose FIVE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY ON TARIFFS than if they were to just pay 20 dollars an hour salary and produce over here. Companies are not going to take 5 times the amount of damage just to ship.
 
As the Russian Ukraine war is showing, America uses them as cannon fodder while drip feeding out of date tech. And then try to negotiate some kind of minerals deal and pretend it's a mutual defense pact. Also NATo means North Anerican Treaty Organization. Taiwan is not a member.

Remember that Taiwan doesn't actually have a US Embassy, they have the American Institute of Taiwan. Why does it have that? Because the US's One China policy makes it so they have to be ambiguous about their Sovereignty. Also, the whole reason why they have to say Taiwan/Formosa is because the US didn't support them enough during the Civil War and became an island nation in the first place.
NATO countries will provide support at the behest of America, see: the iraq war. If theres something somewhere in the thousands of treaties signed to create NATO that contradicts feel free to call me out, Im not as brushed up on those treaties as others. But the North ATLANTIC Treaty Organization denotes that members are in that sphere of influence or adjacent. In reality what they are, are little more than vassal states to America. I understand Taiwan is not a member but if America comes knocking, so does most of the rest of NATO usually, see; the war on terrorism.

I just dont see them letting that relationships stagnate or wallow. Its too valuable, who else are they going to turn to? They essentially have to cross their fingers and hope all the other Southeast asian countries join them in giving China the middle finger and create a SEATO: Southeast Asian Treaty Organization.
 
For many years now, Americans have been feeling like absolutely no one gives a crap about us.
Feelings should not drive economic policy. This is why populism is foolish in practice and the economically illiterate should be disenfranchised at all levels of government.
 
I understand if non-US folk are a little upset, but consider this:

For many years now, Americans have been feeling like absolutely no one gives a crap about us. Not Europeans, not Asians, not Africans, not Latinos, not Canadians, not Mexicans....hell, not even our own countrymen care about one another. Look at how many homeless people have been living on our streets for years and the only thing happening with it is a destructive increase in their numbers. We're so used to it at this point that we've accepted that the true price of American Freedom is knowing that we are all on our own and if we're lucky, we'll have freinds and family to mourn our deaths if we get shot in broad daylight. Sure, other countries care what we DO on the global stage, but in terms of our well-being, the only thing that concerns anyone else is whether or not we have money to spend. The ones that LIKE the US have been coming over here to work or live with the advantage of having a home country to go back to if things fall apart.

And that's fine, we don't expect anyone else to care about us, but our system is completely BROKEN. It was only a short time ago when Texas kicked out federal agents and took over the border control problem and Biden had the nerve to try and block oil trade on the state in retaliation. Then Trump runs for office after coming back miraculously on the promise that he will focus on the betterment of the US and the US alone, and starts acting on it the day he gets sworn in. That's why so many are either all for it or apathetic about how it affects other nations. Kinda hard to care about the world potentially crumbling when so many of us are too broke or dysfunctional to even participate in it. A shake-up is long overdue.

So pardon us for not giving a fuck. We're remodeling and we're fresh out of fucks to give. We'll let you know when we re-stock.
As someone in a much worse country (BONG) i'm all for it. The only hope we have is the USA kickstarting either a) a globlal economic revolution that benefits everyone or b) some gay war that ends with us getting nuked. I'm all for the latter, but i hope for the former.
Everything is shit everywhere unless you're a chinaman, a jeet, or a retard who doesn't realise it. Would the status quo be more comfortable in the short-mid term? probably, but at least Trump is trying something different. If it fails then who gives a shit.

inb4 "hurr just leave your 3rd world shithole" FUCKIN LET ME IN THEN
 
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I cant wait to say this to my parents when they bitch about not being able to retire.
 
Dude the average car costs about 12k to make, a 100% on China means that car manufacturers (whether they be American companies in China or just Chinese companies) lose FIVE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY ON TARIFFS than if they were to just pay 20 dollars an hour salary and produce over here. Companies are not going to take 5 times the amount of damage just to ship.
So the American will pay 100k for a car and the European will pay 20k? Why is that a good thing?
 
It would be funny if it weren't the current goal of US administration right now. Especially, when Appalachia redneck voters support Trump despite it is against their interest to do so.

Do you think it's really just all nostalgia, though? If we're talking about the people who have been in these towns for generations, they have some frame of reference for what it was like back when men were expected to support their family by working in a fucking coal mine until they either got maimed in an industrial accident or died before retirement age from smoker's lung or some shit. They still view that as far preferable than the current-day state of their town, where 90% of the population are borderline illiterates who make a living with social security fraud, who spend all their time abusing the medical system, doing fentanyl, and severely neglecting their children until their retardation and behavioral issues are severe enough to get them slapped with diagnostic labels of their own. If they think that is worse, then I don't really have any reason to doubt them.
 
a 100% on China means that car manufacturers (whether they be American companies in China or just Chinese companies) lose FIVE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY ON TARIFFS than if they were to just pay 20 dollars an hour salary and produce over here.
What does "produce over here" entail? A car is a complex industrial product and requires thousands of components and incredibly complex supply chains, you can't fabricate car components in your backyard with a patriotic steel mill. The tariffs are not for finished cars, they're for everything. Electronics, wiring, steel sheets, paint, "producing" a car is a complex procurement web requiring the importation of many parts and resources, because other countries are established and have the supply chain and know-how to produce these parts reliably, better and cheaper than domestically. All of those are now tariffed and the consumer will pay the cost.

Unless you genuinely believe every single part, from the iron ore to the displays to the rubber for the tires needs to be made domestically, at which point you're past North Korea and gone full Khmer Rouge.
 
This complete misinformation has to stop.
It's 12 months paid, them another 2 years unpaid during which you cannot be fired. After that you get to use the 4 months of paid time off you've acquired, and you're ready to return to work.
No you don't get it. Actually we should make it as hard as possible for wypipo to have kids, and then import millions of brown foreigners so they can send the welfare we pay them to the third world.
This is how you build wealth in a nation, not tariffs.
 
or help education become more accessible
Education is wasted on a good portion of the population if given to them, and it inevitable leads to a inflation of degrees and certifications. If everyone has a degree then the degree is worthless.

It's honestly inhuman how much we vilify manual labor.
80 years ago authors wrote books about the merit of a simple man toiling the soil and turning worthless dirt into something of worth.
Now you see a dozen articles every day mocking people for wanting the opportunity to be a factory worker or farmer.
 
Well, it's either going to work, or we will literally see the greatest economic failure that has ever been seen in recorded history.
I'm rooting for "Both", personally. Fuck them boomers, fuck the wandering billionaire elite, and because I'm at the very bottom and have no hope of ever crawling out anyway, fuck all the other crabs in this bucket.
 
Who owns it though? This is only possible with nationalization of healthcare, heavy industry, utilities, infrastructure and creation or seizure of corporations and private property to create large-scale publicly owned enterprises directed via central planning. I prefer a voluntary approach to collectivization but we could set up state-owned farms and machinery pools to support the collective farms.

If we're talking that we are well past the point of reindustrialization in a mixed economy into full state socialism...I really can't oppose that, it's what I truly support.

Man things are moving faster than I expected. I wouldn't mind Marathon's Galveston Bay refinery renamed VEB POE Galveston Bay "Agamemnon Busmalis".
I am not even saying all that. I just say that there needs to be a government kept up alternative for basics.

Not even just for muh line goes up, but for simple natural disaster security. Like a factory or three that makes tractors so your farmers can buy an emergency shitty tractor if their BMW FarmMaster 9000 breaks down and they can't get a replacement part until harvest from BMW.
Sorry, Josh. Pajeets are here to stay. Poles are no longer go-to cheap labor.
Maybe the US will invent some ingenious pajeet pods that they can afford and deploy from to work for those peanuts
Pajeets don't need pods. Pajeet living standards are below 19th century US or early 20th century soviet. They don't even need an outhouse that's a wooden shack on a dig pit. You can stuff 20 pajeets into a tiny shed and as long as they don't freeze its poo heaven.
A pajeet millionaire lives in filth worse than a poor chinamen.
Europeans talking about aligning with China because the US decided the free ride is over is a ridiculous notion
I'm from Europe, I know that's a cope, the politicians know that's a cope, the americans know that's a cope, the chinese know that's a cope.
Whatever the americans are doing lately the chinese have been doing tenfold for the last 30 years.
Even the EU's own resources state that whole swathes of industries are banned from opening up shop in China because the Chinese view it as a security threat, and that

They are slaves, and they should pivot to China, if they won't it is because they are US compromised. We saw Germoney rather die than make peace with Russia and build reactors.
If the US is not going to release the tariffs on Isreal, what country is America's true greatest ally that actually deserves no tariffs?
Britain? Such antisemitism, oy vey.

Is bringing back the US industry a good idea for the US? Yes.

Do blanket tariffs on everyone are a good tool for that? I am not so sure about that.

Helping US startups and tariffing only certain goods could be better. US goyslop isn't fit for human much less white consumption. I wouldn't feed it to pigs. Maybe to jeets.

How does trying to peddle that shit to Europoors makes US cars go up?
 
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