The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[Fae Supremacist]

I want this shit narrative to die. The majority of US debt is owned by the US. Foreign countries have only a fraction of that debt

Nobody claimed it is a majority, but it's enough to spike treasury yields and the interest rate for taking on new public debt.

 

[Barleys]

So the American will pay 100k for a car and the European will pay 20k? Why is that a good thing?

Is your attention span this fucking short, combine what I said previously to what I am saying now you colossally disingenuous faggot. A company is not going to lose 3/5 of their entire consumer market just to preserve a 5 times loss for shipping

What does "produce over here" entail? A car is a complex industrial product and requires thousands of components and incredibly complex supply chains, you can't fabricate car components in your backyard with a patriotic steel mill. The tariffs are not for finished cars, they're for everything. Electronics, wiring, steel sheets, paint, "producing" a car is a complex procurement web requiring the importation of many parts and resources, because other countries are established and have the supply chain and know-how to produce these parts reliably, better and cheaper than domestically. All of those are now tariffed and the consumer will pay the cost.

Unless you genuinely believe every single part, from the iron ore to the displays to the rubber for the tires needs to be made domestically, at which point you're past North Korea and gone full Khmer Rouge.

Holy shit I'm arguing with actual toddlers, once the industry is in the U.S we can apply more strategic tariffs to protect that industry while lowering or removing the ones that SUPPLY SAID INDUSTRY. Like your and every single other country in the entire world currently does dumbass.

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

0% on Russia lol

>muh sanctions

nope.

The only four countries that do not have tariffs placed upon them are Cuba, Russia, Belarus (Russia's puppet state lead by a dictator) and North Korea.
Make of that what you will.

 

[Fae Supremacist]

once the industry is in the U.S we can apply more strategic tariffs to protect that industry while lowering or removing the ones that SUPPLY SAID INDUSTRY.

That's entirely backwards.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

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I cant wait to say this to my parents when they bitch about not being able to retire.

Wait, don’t do that! What about your inherita- oh wait lol

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

As somebody from a country that has been mooching off America for decades all I can say is: "Good."

Yes, but that is no longer an option. America was a powerhouse of manufacturing because others weren't. Now, they are.

Are you implying the country that made mass manufacturing feasible in the first place and has controlled the world consumer market since WW2 couldn't win a trade war against a bunch of chinks that are entirely reliant on selling their cheap garbage on that very consumer market?

I'm rooting for "Both", personally. Fuck them boomers, fuck the wandering billionaire elite, and because I'm at the very bottom and have no hope of ever crawling out anyway, fuck all the other crabs in this bucket.

The people that made it big in the post war world deserve to have it all taken anyway. Fuck your society built on lies, boomer.

 

[Barleys]

That's entirely backwards.

That is literally what your fucking country does right now, that is literally what every country does right now as well. Again lets take for example Canada's lumber industry, they have a tariff on foreign lumber in order to protect their industry, BUT they don't have tariffs or have small tariffs on the materials and machines used to supply said lumber industry. If you don't even know this then you're the biggest fucking retard in this thread.

 

[Brap God]

higher prices = jeets can't afford to live = leave country

Or they join the homeless brigade and shit even harder in the designated streets.

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

Holy shit I'm arguing with actual toddlers, once the industry is in the U.S we can apply more strategic tariffs to protect that industry while lowering or removing the ones that SUPPLY SAID INDUSTRY. Like your and every single other country in the entire world currently does dumbass.

That's good if you don't plan on exporting things. It is going to be difficult to make money from manufacturing without exporting.

Are you implying the country that made mass manufacturing feasible in the first place and has controlled the world consumer market since WW2 couldn't win a trade war against a bunch of chinks that are entirely reliant on selling their cheap garbage on that very consumer market?

Yes, there are many more consumers.

 

[Barleys]

That's good if you don't plan on exporting things. It is going to be difficult to make money from manufacturing without exporting.

These other countries don't seem to care when their tariffs conflict with each other when it comes to exporting.

 

[majob]

So promote apprenticeship programs or help education become more accessible.

Education has never been easier to obtain in the US and what has introduced? Women with worthless arts degrees clogging up businesses with do nothing jobs

 

[Diggus Bickus]

We saved the economy.

haha, money printer tariff rates go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[Fae Supremacist]

they have a tariff on foreign lumber in order to protect their industry, BUT they don't have tariffs or have small tariffs on the materials and machines used to supply said lumber industry.

Then why put import taxes on every single good from every single country and kneecap your industry that depends on supply chains stretching across multiple countries, and make every procurement manager commit simultaneous seppuku?
Not to mention, if by some miracle of God you create some sort of product domestically, why would foreign countries choose to import it from the US? It will be more expensive and lower quality than similar goods produced in other countries that have more experience in export oriented manufacturing. Not to mention they'd have also tariffed your back and not trust you at all.

 

[Barleys]

Yes, there are many more consumers.

Okay that's it we're actually done here, it's painfully obvious you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, yes China does have a higher population but they don't have more consumerism. Chinese consumers spends on average 7 billion dollars a year in consumer markets, Americans spend 21 billion dollars a year in consumer markets. America consumes way way way more than China.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

He realizes we need to have the infrastructure, and the properly trained individuals to run the factories, to manufacture stuff locally, right?

You literally can't just pull that out of your ass.

The corpo cocksuckers spent decades hallowing out American manufacturing. It will take much more than happy thoughts and pixie dust to get things up and running here in the US again.

Well, we have steel mills that aren't in use and could be, same with lumber mills and manufacturing.
We have working towers but shut down nuclear energy, which would just need a quick inspection.
We have our own meat, our own water supply, gas, coal, etc.
The tarriffs against the developed countries aren't terrible, and they've had them against us forever.
I will agree we lost a lot of knowledge and experienced workers thanks to corpos, however I feel like that won't stop the american people.
The dust bowl is what caused the depression, food is sorta integral to a civilization.
Is this gonna hurt? Oh absolutely.
Know how you can help it? Grow a little garden for your own food. If you have a house, get some chickens. I have 3 and get more eggs than I know what to do with. Most city limits will let you have a couple. And you have meat!
That won't fix tech costs, but people really don't realize just how much you save on a budget by growing your own shit. Yeah you will have to buy food while it grows/chicks grow up, but once it does, you're basically set on food.
I don't know how this will go, probably a lot of hysteria, especially the first year. However I genuinely have high hopes for it.

 

[Cynical-Carnivore-88]

Holy shit I'm arguing with actual toddlers, once the industry is in the U.S we can apply more strategic tariffs to protect that industry while lowering or removing the ones that SUPPLY SAID INDUSTRY. Like your and every single other country in the entire world currently does dumbass.

You’re not wrong about strategic tariffs, that’s fine. But the issue is we’re nowhere near the point where those tariffs make sense. The factories aren’t here, the supply chains aren’t rebuilt, and the labor pool isn’t ready.

What we’ve got right now is a blanket tariff policy that’s jacking up prices with zero domestic infrastructure to absorb the shock. Maybe in 5–6 years we’ll start to see manufacturing gains if the investment and planning are there, but most Americans don’t have 5–6 years to wait while their bills double.

The strategy is economic pain now, with theoretical benefits later, but that gap will destroy public support before any factories even break ground if people notice their grocery/shopping bills increase by 100%.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

for the record I 50% support Trump until the banking genocide begins and I have a payment processor, then I back him 100%.

>Riiiing... riiiing...
'Dis bog.
>he got zis payment processor

Load "Tariff plan alpha."

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

Okay that's it we're actually done here, it's painfully obvious you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, yes China does have a higher population but they don't have more consumerism. Chinese consumers spends on average 7 billion dollars a year in consumer markets, Americans spend 21 billion dollars a year in consumer markets. America consumes way way way more than China.

Are you just forgetting that there's more to the world than China and USA?

 

[Fae Supremacist]

America consumes way way way more than China.

Under the guiding hand of General Secretary Trump, Father of the Revolution, this shall end. The capitalist pig will be put on a diet inshallah.

 

[Barleys]

You’re not wrong about strategic tariffs, that’s fine. But the issue is we’re nowhere near the point where those tariffs make sense. The factories aren’t here, the supply chains aren’t rebuilt, and the labor pool isn’t ready.

What we’ve got right now is a blanket tariff policy that’s jacking up prices with zero domestic infrastructure to absorb the shock. Maybe in 5–6 years we’ll start to see manufacturing gains if the investment and planning are there, but most Americans don’t have 5–6 years to wait while their bills double.

The strategy is economic pain now, with theoretical benefits later, but that gap will destroy public support before any factories even break ground if people notice their grocery/shopping bills increase by 100%.

It's honestly better than doing nothing, every politican beforehand just kicked the can down the curb. Eventually someone was going to try something drastic to correct course, and unfortunately unlike other countries he only has 4 years to try and correct course so he has to do stuff that is very risky just to try and make it happen before the next guy comes in and just starts kicking the can down the curb once more.