The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[Salt_Merchant]

Can the guy who kept banging on about how the us is a chained Hercules or some shit come back

He was great and I miss his crack raddled musings

 

[Manimal House]

Feelings should not drive economic policy. This is why populism is foolish in practice and the economically illiterate should be disenfranchised at all levels of government.

You really going to tell me that if you found out the guy you've been buying from for years has been ripping you off, you'd still keep buying and not even be pissed?

You want to go all in on tariffs and trade war? Fine. Just be honest about what that actually entails: price spikes, supply chain shock, and a pissed-off public long before we ever see a single factory open.

Iirc, when Javier Milei won Argentina things got REAL tough for about a year until his plan paid off and now they're on the come up. Different scenario of course, but the idea is that if we can have things actually improve, another year or two of suffering is a small price to pay if we know there's light at the end of it. If it doesn't work then oh well, back on the pile.

The only hope we have is the USA kickstarting either a) a globlal economic revolution that benefits everyone or b) some gay war that ends with us getting nuked.

I wouldn't count on either of those but then again what CAN you count on these days. But hey, on the flipside, UK only got a 10 percent baseline tarriff (except for certain goods like steel), in most other countries it's much higher. Good job on leaving the EU.

 

[zzzten]

There's no real difference between america and china. There's superficial differences sure, but both governments are extremely corrupt and their main goal above anything else is to maintain power.

 

[Doinker Marmalade]

spent countless resources on foreign aid and foreign defense allowing alot of you to have medical luxuries the average American can only dream of, our own politicians are chiding us for putting our economy above yours and other countries

Sure grandpa, let's get you to bed.

 

[Fae Supremacist]

Again dude, it's good for the wealthy and the elite but for the American citizen it was bad for them.

Pure nonsense.
The labor of the American worker is the most well paid in the entire planet. It is true that domestic asset price inflation have outpaced growth in domestic salaries for a while now, which makes housing and domestic goods unaffordable, but it entitles them to the labor and property of everyone in the planet for basically free. And housing is fucked in every Western country due to foreign investors as well.

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

LMAO you can't even stamp out the Houthis, fucking lmao...

I'm European. I still recognize the US could nuke/conventionally destroy every nation on this planet if they didn't hold back for political reasons. The only reason the Houthis aren't a footnote in the history books and a pile of ash on the desert floor is because the US doesn't want a war with Iran right now.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Oh boy here we go again with "we wuz subsidizing and shieett".

What exactly has the USA subsidized for the rest of the world? You are trillions in debt, you run a massive deficit... it would appear, stalker child, it is YOU who is being subsidized.

Remember when America asked other countries for their gold reserves and gave them dollars in return, only to later ditch the gold backing of its currency and start printing like mad? (That’s around when their deficit began.) And yet somehow, they're the ones claiming they got scammed.

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

Also, another thing.
America isn't self sufficient. No country really is.
Food is grown and packaged all over the world, electronic components are produced in a variety of countries, American companies outsource production of a lot of things to other countries. And I am not even talking China, I am talking stuff like Malaysia, Thailand, India, Germany, Japan, ect.

This will mean that basically anything in America will be a lot more expensive, because, while some stuff IS made in America, barely anything is SOLELY made in America.

Plus, why do you expect stuff to be made in Anerica when the minimum wage is still $7,25 and companies still expect workers to work for that much? Nobody will. But companies CAN gladly pay that much to people in Malaysia, for example. In Germany and Japan, they have a huge amount of qualified workers that will work for more, but that do better workers than any American.

What did Trump do? Eliminate the education department and did nothing to increase the wages of workers. That's a horrible idea if you intend your country to manufacture everything they use.

 

[Pure Autism]

Glad I'm not alone here!

I also did some research on the manufacture sector when first the news of possible tariffs started circulating some months ago. Didn't really post it anywhere in a cohesive manner, but I'm gonna share some datapoints for free interpretation. The data I used was from more or less January 2025 and I remember using

Spoiler: these two sites

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/employment-by-major-industry-sector.htm

https://nam.org/mfgdata/facts-about...ext=4.,manufacturing workers in December 2024

to source information.


Including indirect and induced impacts, for every $1.00 spent in manufacturing, there is a total impact of $2.69 to the overall U.S. economy. This figure represents one of the largest sectoral multipliers in the economy. In addition, for every one worker in manufacturing, 4.8 workers are added in the overall U.S. economy, including indirect and induced impacts, and for every $1.00 earned in direct labor income in the manufacturing sector, $3.99 in labor income earned is added to the overall U.S. economy.

This is essentially the way manufacturing jobs impact other jobs and actually create them by making a need for the engagement of other sectors and thus increasing overall prosperity, however there is a caveat here. In order for US manufacturing jobs to be overall profitable to the general state of the economy you need to engage 4.8 workers in other sectors for every single person employed in manufacture as described above.

The overall contribution of US manufacture to the economy is 2.9 Trillion dollars. However this too has a caveat in that the manufacturing sector on its own merit mostly generates income through export, and its primary export partners are Canada and Mexico, however on its own it is not profitable as it generates 1 Trillion dollars (This is for 2024, it was 1.2 Trillion dollars in 2022) on both foreign and domestic markets, while the expenses of operation are 1.3 Trillion dollars.

So one could say that the profitability of US manufacture on a macro economic scale is completely reliant on a complex system that has its bedrock in international trade.

Now, America has offshored (offbordered in this case) a lot of its manufacture to Mexico. A lot of US companies operate in Mexico, utilizing US technology and cheap beaner labor to produce manufactured goods for the US market but with an affordable price attached, a price that would not be possible with US wage standards and costs of operation. In fact 92% of all Mexican manufacture is destined for the US market (Keep in mind these are not "Mexican" companies, this is literally Ford and the like).

So the point of the tariffs would be to return manufacture to the US right? Well lets talk about the job market in practical terms.

America has 167 minion employed people. Out of that 80% is in the service sector of some kind (By government employment statistics they include IT workers here for some reason), that is 133 minion people locked in to either retail or cushy well paying jobs (optimistically). The rest are essential workers in other sectors including government employ. When it comes to manufacture 13 million Americans are employed in the sector, and by utilizing the above formula around 62 million people are employed in other sectors (Including service, IT and the like), that make the 13 million manufacturing jobs actually profitable and viable for the macroscopic shape of the economy.

The Mexicans employ 14 million people in manufacture, and like we discussed almost all they make is sold to America. Now let's say that America would be able to be 50% more efficient then the Mexicans at domestic manufacture, and could replace the reliance on Mexico by employing an additional 7 million people to the manufacturing sector. Well for that to actually work the US would need another 35 million or so people in other sectors, unless it wanted to massively impact the average citizens quality of life by settling on much lower wages and much higher prices... However America only has 6 million unemployed people...

(For comparison China has 112 million people engaged in its manufacture sector, and the sector generates 5.65 Trillion dollars of economic output, while combined Chinese exports to the USA are valued at 501 Billion dollars)

And truly we need to keep in mind that when we say American manufacture, today those are really high technology articles and tools very rarely meant for common consumers. And when we speak of American manufacturing jobs, they are remarkably well paying jobs, some are astronomically well paying jobs. While the jobs offshored to other countries just can't profitably operate on such margins and scales. You either import cheap labor or you automatize. And automatizing usually puts actual men out of work. Just look at the entire longshoremen situation with them systematically opposing any kind of port automatization in America with total operations halting strikes, of course these men keep their jobs, but the American port system has been loosing on efficiency for decades compared to China. It's genuinely an impasse in a lot of ways.


Now when I was first researching this topic Trumps pet pajeet (I forgot his name for some reason) had his little twitter debacle during that whole workers visa scandal, so my first cynical thought was "Are they actually trying to import millions of jeets into America?". Of course I rejected that notion and mostly decided that the tariff talk was just a negotiating tactic and wouldn't actually amount to anything as it appeared to me its stated goals would be mathematically impossible without a radical restructuring of American society or a well thought out and long term implementation plan that would tackle all the underlying issues... However it appears I was quite wrong.

There may be more at play here behind the scenes ofc, but I'm generally just curious to see how this all pans out.

 

[Barleys]

It is true that domestic asset price inflation have outpaced growth in domestic salaries for a while now, which makes housing and domestic goods unaffordable,

Lol, lmao. "Be happy that you can't afford housing and would be financially ruined over a 5k dollar emergency, at least you can consoom goys."

 

[Bummer]

Literally all of this comes down tp housing. Americans can't afford houses but they can afford to buy 3 $100 Chinese tvs for their 2k+ a month 2br apartment. People are pretty pissed and willing to risk everything to go back to a world where only rich people own 2 tvs but everyone owns a house.
I'm not for or against this shit, I don't think it will turn out like Trump thinks but I understand why people support it and if I thought their plan would definitely work I would support the hit in consumption. The big thing that eases my mind is no matter what happens I sold early, America is a net food exporter and China is a food importer.

 

[AnotherPleb]

This thread should display your country's flag next to your name as it would be interesting to see where much of the crying comes from.

Add a generation group as well and I'm all for it

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

You will own nothing and be happy Any% Speedrun

 

[Popper Whiting]

For the non-Americans here, here's a ground report from the Rust Belt. The average age of the school buildings here is 99 years-old. The public buildings are dilapidated to the point where it made national news when a government employee was injured by an exploding toilet. A bridge literally collapsed during the Biden Administration. You don't need to drive far in any direction to see a shuttered and rotting factory or mill. Our beautiful parks and trails are unsafe to use because violent, homeless drug addicts have sent up tent cities there.

I support the tariffs. America can't keep subsidizing the rest of the world through bad trade deals and foreign aid while American citizens live like this. We need to fix our problems first. If I'm supposed to feel bad about the worldwide disruption, I don't. Nobody in Canada or Mexico or China or the EU or anywhere else felt bad when entire towns in my area were hollowed out. They didn't care about our manufacturing jobs being dismantled and shipped abroad. I'm not sure why I'm expected to feel bad in return.

This is our one chance to restore the American economy. It's a risky one, but I'd rather bet it all on the tariffs and risk failing than continue on with the status quo.

You'd rather do anything than what the USA did post WW2 as you believe actually investing in industries, infrastructure and education is communism. You praise the greatest generation but you steadfastly refuse to do any of the things that earned them the privilege of being called the greatest.

 

[neger psykolog]

Drop shippers BTFO.

Thank fuck. I'm so fucking sick of hearing about side hustle nigger shit.

 

[Jew-ish]

We don't have the population, raw materials, capital, or interest in being a primarily industrial country.

If we are making shit, we need other countries to buy it, and spending the decades nessessary to build these factories with components and materials uncharged out the ass is only going to happen if labor wages and regulations are cut.

Im just not seeing where the prosperity comes from. If this policy doesnt bare fruit by midterms, it might not even matter.

All Im saying is, maybe having unilateral trade policy in the 21st century created by an 80 year old who was born into wealth is a bad idea.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Lol, lmao. "Be happy that you can't afford housing and would be financially ruined over a 5k dollar emergency, at least you can consoom goys."

a good chunk of that it's because your doctors are basically millionaires they get paid extremely well, that's not the case in most of the world, plus your government doesn't negotiate drug prices so they get scammed by the pharma industry. Second it's imposible for most people in the world to buy a property right now and rents is like 30% to 50% of your income in most cities.

 

[Lime]

America isn't self sufficient. No country really is.
Food is grown and packaged all over the world, electronic components are produced in a variety of countries, American companies outsource production of a lot of things to other countries. And I am not even talking China, I am talking stuff like Malaysia, Thailand, India, Germany, Japan, ect.

This will mean that basically anything in America will be a lot more expensive, because, while some stuff IS made in America, barely anything is SOLELY made in America.

Just because cost is a hurdle doesn't mean you need to kneecap your entire population. This is to sacrifice the future and prosperity of your population in order to buy iPhones and rampant consumerism. You can lower costs through innovation but cost alone shouldn't be the sole reason you sell out your country for cheaper shit. And for not making everything the United States should try to cut as much foreign dependency as possible just for national security

 

[Salt_Merchant]

Is the plan actually to transfer south East Asian sweat shops making 2 dollar shirts to the rust belt?

 

[MeltyTW]

You retards will scream bloody communism the second someone tries to do anything about the infrastructure.

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That was for a biden era grant that mainly focused on making them more environmentally friendly whereas other grants survived. Still knee-jerk since iirc were not at net zero madness like other countries meaning biden had to actually offer something of utility and it would have still reinvigorated and extended the lifespan of the equipment but a bit more at play optically than just viewing grants as communism

We don't have the population, raw materials, capital, or interest in being a primarily industrial country.

We have all these things, we do still have some factories and have had them before you know so we have the materials at least. I can see the argument for the rest but america has raw materials, quite a lot for quite a variety of manufactured goods.

Sure grandpa, let's get you to bed.

Yeah maybe when I wake up you'll have an actual argument to anything I've said, or are you waiting on a us rep to give you one for free you can use?