The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

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It's honestly inhuman how much we vilify manual labor.
80 years ago authors wrote books about the merit of a simple man toiling the soil and turning worthless dirt into something of worth.
Now you see a dozen articles every day mocking people for wanting the opportunity to be a factory worker or farmer.
A single retard and his wife tilling the soil is not economically viable in the 21st century considering the advances made in productivity by larger entities. It's a waste of perfectly good space for the sake of what's basically subsistence farming. They largely don't exist anymore in the 1st world because they shouldn't.
 
A single retard and his wife tilling the soil is not economically viable in the 21st century considering the advances made in productivity by larger entities. It's a waste of perfectly good space for the sake of what's basically subsistence farming. They largely don't exist anymore in the 1st world because they shouldn't.
Dude quit taking metaphors so literally when there's a perfectly good argument about factory work being a substitute for that manual labor right there in front of you
 
Dude quit taking metaphors so literally when there's a perfectly good argument about factory work being a substitute for that manual labor right there in front of you
What incentive is there to put a fat American with a bullshit bachelor's degree on some factory line when the Chinaman does it basically for free and of better quality in a highly efficient system supported by advanced robotics? That fat American could be put to any work which is more profitable in the 1st world.
 
You’re not wrong about strategic tariffs, that’s fine. But the issue is we’re nowhere near the point where those tariffs make sense. The factories aren’t here, the supply chains aren’t rebuilt, and the labor pool isn’t ready.

What we’ve got right now is a blanket tariff policy that’s jacking up prices with zero domestic infrastructure to absorb the shock. Maybe in 5–6 years we’ll start to see manufacturing gains if the investment and planning are there, but most Americans don’t have 5–6 years to wait while their bills double.

The strategy is economic pain now, with theoretical benefits later, but that gap will destroy public support before any factories even break ground if people notice their grocery/shopping bills increase by 100%.
Clearly we should do nothing then because everything we're doing is wrong and we should continue to just let other countries dominate our manufacturing because this perfect idea of what you think should happen isn't currently happening. Perfect continues to be the eternal enemy of Good
 
The United States are a black hole absorbing every bit of wealth and resources in the planet and have been for decades, by virtue of being the imperial capital and a safe place to park money.
Glad someone else understand this, Americans just lack any shred of self awareness to understand that being the world's largest consumer means they have had it BETTER than the rest of the world.

How they reached the conclusion that they were being taken advantage of by this arrangement is completely beyond me, and Gold medal level mental gymnastics that I simply cannot fathom.
 
What incentive is there to put a fat American with a bullshit bachelor's degree on some factory line when the Chinaman does it basically for free and of better quality in a highly efficient system supported by advanced robotics? That fat American could be put to any work which is more profitable in the 1st world.
I'm too tired to keep explaining this shit, just read the thread about how service industry jobs are limiting, about how tariffs cost companies more than the cost of labor etc. Goodnight
 
higher prices = jeets can't afford to live = leave country

americans are fucked regardless and have nowhere to go, so they stay
Ah yes. Somehow the people doing tech jobs (decent money), living many in small apartments will definitely leave.
And the companies losing money will definitely fire them first, not the higher payed Americans.
And the party that supports jeets coming in will definitely want them gone, even though they are actively replacing US workers right now.

Nobody believes the world will be on fire, just that things get somewhat worse. Like you'll have a 20%-30% worse life.
Which is perfectly enough to support jeets coming in even more, to cut costs for companies that are losing money.

This is why people think Trump supporters are absolute retards. They are going full Tim Pool civil war memery, everything should burn, even though this just actively supports Indian immigration to the US.
 
Glad someone else understand this, Americans just lack any shred of self awareness to understand that being the world's largest consumer means they have had it BETTER than the rest of the world.

How they reached the conclusion that they were being taken advantage of by this arrangement is completely beyond me, and Gold medal level mental gymnastics that I simply cannot fathom.
Look at a graph of the rate of inflation compared to the rate of wage increases.
 
I'm too tired to keep explaining this shit, just read the thread about how service industry jobs are limiting, about how tariffs cost companies more than the cost of labor etc. Goodnight
Of course you cannot explain it because your position is simply incoherent. This is exactly why people like you cannot outcompete Chinamen and Indians as a labor force. You're terminally retarded. Musk is right that you should be replaced.
 
A single retard and his wife tilling the soil is not economically viable in the 21st century considering the advances made in productivity by larger entities. It's a waste of perfectly good space for the sake of what's basically subsistence farming. They largely don't exist anymore in the 1st world because they shouldn't.
It's only not viable because you now live in economic trade zones rather than nations, where in certain zones you're punished for existing.

Just look at how English farmers have to pay a massive tax when inheriting land, they can't sell produce to their local community without a license, a cow coughed? Kill them all, a badger just made a burrow on your land so there goes 30% of your produce that year because its welfare is more important than yours. They get punished because their industry is not desired
 
tariffs cost companies more than the cost of labor etc.
They don't. If Trump raises tariffs to China to some ridiculous number, American owned firms with overseas production will simply move their overseas production to other countries with lower tariffs, it's cheaper than paying American labor. And on and on in a game of chicken.
This will continue unless you give direct public subsidies to industry, or go full Tokugawa Shogunate and close the country.
 
Fat Americans would benefit from working in a mine or sweatshop for 5 dollars an hour. Maybe they wouldn't even be fat anymore.

The problem is monopolies and the millionaires. Antitrust laws, anti monopoly laws would help.

But Trump won't touch his friends and their lines go up.

That's why factory jobs are unprofitable. The product must cost 400% profit, so CEO can make extra yuge money. Just look up the difference between ceo and worker pay in 1950s and now.
This means that regular worker can't support a family with his jerb making Dodge Cowboy Mancar.
This means he can't work for competitive prices, because that won't pay even rent.
This means factory goes to China.

Simple as.
 
Of course you cannot explain it because your position is simply incoherent. This is exactly why people like you cannot outcompete Chinamen and Indians as a labor force. You're terminally retarded. Musk is right that you should be replaced.
I literally explained it earlier tonight in this same fucking thread, i'm not going to keep spoonfeeding you fucking retards by repeating the same shit over and over again.
 
It's only not viable because you now live in economic trade zones rather than nations, where in certain zones you're punished for existing.
Yes, and those "zones" where you're punished for existence is not the first world importer service economies, let alone the United States, it's the resource extraction zones.
Ever seen a documentary where Indonesians go head first into a sulfur mine or the engine of a scuttled ship and get cancer at 30, and wonder why they bother? It's still better pay than being a subsistence farmer, and they can send a few dollars to their home village to repair their corrugated steel roof in their family home.
Idolizing subsistence farming is peak "based" vibes retardation, have some perspective.
 
Clearly we should do nothing then because everything we're doing is wrong and we should continue to just let other countries dominate our manufacturing because this perfect idea of what you think should happen isn't currently happening. Perfect continues to be the eternal enemy of Good
Look, it’s not about demanding a perfect solution, it’s about acknowledging what the ground looks like right now.

You want to go all in on tariffs and trade war? Fine. Just be honest about what that actually entails: price spikes, supply chain shock, and a pissed-off public long before we ever see a single factory open.

I’m not saying “do nothing.” I’m saying if you want to play hardball, you better have infrastructure, labor plans, and federal investment ready to go, or else you’re not rebuilding manufacturing, you’re just setting the whole system on fire and praying something better rises out of the ashes.

We’re basically playing economic Russian roulette here with a trade war that could leave everyone worse off for the foreseeable future. But hey, if in two months we suddenly have amazing trade deals with other major economic partners that help manage deficits and lower costs? Then I’ll gladly eat crow 🐦
 
Glad someone else understand this, Americans just lack any shred of self awareness to understand that being the world's largest consumer means they have had it BETTER than the rest of the world.

How they reached the conclusion that they were being taken advantage of by this arrangement is completely beyond me, and Gold medal level mental gymnastics that I simply cannot fathom.
Because foreigners seem to have it in their head that the average American is living like a fat cat off a service sector job, even the poor, when the reality is that most of us are living paycheck to paycheck and hardly consume anything after we've paid our bills. What's actually happening is that more wealthy Americans are consuming, most often beyond their means, and it gives you people this deluded perception that all of us are living like that when we aren't. I won't claim poverty unlike most here. I make decent money and own my own home but many of my peers do not. We're fighting for a damn good reason none of you will ever see that because you DON'T LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES!
 
You want to go all in on tariffs and trade war? Fine. Just be honest about what that actually entails: price spikes, supply chain shock, and a pissed-off public long before we ever see a single factory open.‍
I am being honest about that I literally said it was risky right from the start, but when a man only has 4 years to try and make change he needs to make sometimes stupidly risky plays. This isn't the first time a president has done something seemingly retarded to try and make change, sometimes they succeed, sometimes they don't. Literally no one here knows what the outcome is going to be.
 
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