testnameplsignore said:
To play devils advocate JF is right when he says if he tried to be controlling over her this could be considered abuse and potentially a crime.
Not really. The situation as he originally claimed is that she fucked off to the woods to 'live off the grid.' His explanation shows that if it were true it would not be the actions of a sane and rational person (fucking off to the woods in eastern canada completely unprepared and leaving her children are two things only somebody who's fucked in the head in some way would do) and as such its well within his legal right (and his legal obligation) to take reasonable steps to prevent it. Letting someone who was clearly planning to do something irrational that could get them injured or killed if anything creates a liability on his part if he knowingly let her fuck off and it ended badly. In other words he's full of shit and trying to make bs excuses and end up putting himself in a worse legal situation by implying he is stupid enough to think the right thing to do in a situation like that is to let some idiot fuck off to the woods and die when they're clearly irrational. That shit can land you in prison. He didn't call the cops, didn't call social services, didn't stop her, didn't call her family. Supposedly just let her leave and ignored the whole situation until somebody else reported it
But yeah, he's full of shit. Stopping her from fucking off and potentially dying in the woods or whatever in a situation like that would lead to him being protected by law so long as he didn't get absolutely retarded about it, as he would be considered to be acting in good faith to protect the safety of someone who had reason to believe was likely to do themselves harm if he didn't act
testnameplsignore said:
JF also heavily implied Elora wanted to return to the streets due to addiction to crack. I think he was deliberately vague as to whether this was a current physical addiction using drugs when they were together or more a mental desire to return to drug use. I wonder if moving away from the house and province where drug use happened is the reason he is talking about it now.
RCMP would easily be able to use it to get a warrant to search the house independent of her disappearance if he was still living there cause he's low key implying the presence of drugs around the children. They could also take the kids just for him having implied it, particularly he's trying to imply her disappearance is related. At least until the truth of the drug related stuff is determined. That said, he's a fucking retard to try to make the claim shes an unstable crackhead who needed to get back to the streets for a fix or whatever. Its PEI, just about the least likely place in the country to be able to support such a habit. Its alcohol and weed there. His story does not make sense
Frankly the cops should be suspicious of such a claim as it screams hes blatantly lying because he neither understands drugs and drug users nor the drug scene of the area
American Castration said:
Presumably what happened was simply that he harassed her into putting the house and other assets in his name when they moved in together. This would be, what, three or four years before he murdered her? But to sound all proper and legit, he makes it sound as though the two of them went to see a divorce lawyer and codified her, uh, Survivalist Adventure into the Canadian Wilderness.
The thing is that should be able to prove one way or the other, as the lawyer would be able to confirm whether or not that actually happened. Though said lawyer should be suspicious of shit like that, particularly if shes not the sharpest knife in the drawer as plenty of scammers and such try to pull that one on such people not realizing its easy to cause all kinds of issues enforcing it no matter what was signed simply by claiming coercion. Oh boy do I have stories about those kinds of situations and how fucked things can get
testnameplsignore said:
My bad. I'll make sure to add in some PPP style HES GUILTY AND HES FAT! But yeah you can definitely speculate that now mentioning drugs and her mental health more explicitly is a tactic of making her seem more irrational. Especially when you have an audience with women who are focused on it being unimaginable that a mother would leave her children like that.
Its clear thats his intent, its also clear he's too ignorant of the drug scene in the area to bs in a way that sounds at least somewhat plausible. Not to mention he never considered that if it were true he'd be admitting to letting someone he thought was an unstable drug addict who was clearly acting irrationally even aside from the drugs in wanting to fuck off like that, to leave and go off to die somewhere. Even if they didn't get him murder they could jump on that and charge him for his part in her death by supposedly knowing all that and letting her go through with it anyway. Its not like he's in a position to get to that point and claim he made the whole claim up, it would just make him look even more guilty of doing something to her and turn into a clusterfuck
Machine made Horrors said:
Here JF explains how Elora was a "woman of the streets". I noticed in this interview that he strongly hints that Elora might have been a drug user, which I don't think he ever mentioned before. Probably added this detail to explain away why she would abandon her kids like that
The obvious implication being that she fucked off to the woods to OD or pissed off the wrong dealer/john/etc.. and got killed. Doesn't explain why no body was found or her rapid disappearance and lack of use of credit cards and such. Somebody with an actual history of living like that wouldn't disappear that quickly
Machine made Horrors said:
In this clip JF mentions that Elora had been planning for this trip for a while and they had been buying camping supplies for a while before she left. JF can't decide if she went on a wilderness trip to be one with nature or went to the streets of Moncton to live a life of drug use and partying. It can't be both.
So a new story entirely. Massive red flag. Lets not forget that according to him, he claimed not to remember whether she had a tent or other survival supplies with her when she left. Which is an obvious lie and attempt to avoid committing to a statement he could get held to later. Yet now he's claiming he went out and bought camping supplies for this? Not only does this directly contradict his previous claims it also does not make any sense whatsoever. He's lying about the whole thing. There is no way you drop someone off anywhere under any circumstances and don't remember whether they were carrying a fucking tent and camping supplies. The more he repeats his version of events the less it makes sense and the more he contradicts himself and spouts nonsensical bs
Machine made Horrors said:
Here he gives more details on the day he dropped Elora off at the gas station. It is likely more BS, but he specifically mentions he went to Wendy's afterwards and that Elora was crying when he left her. That last detail is quite interesting because it clashes with the rest of his story. This might be the only truth he said during that interview, the last time he saw Elora she was likely crying.
It doesn't make sense that she would be crying like that if she was leaving willingly. It does sound alot like narcissistic bs where he's trying to subtly slip a grain of truth into the story - that she was crying about the situation, but in a completely bs context. Yeah i'm sure she was crying - when you were fucking murdering her. Thats legit psychopath behavior right there
Machine made Horrors said:
JF gives us more details on the last communications he had with Elora after she left. Supposedly the last time he talked to her she called from the side of the highway to tell him she was dropping off the grid forever.
Sounds like bs. It also doesn't make any sense for her to do that. If she left of her own accord and intended to 'drop off the grid forever' she'd have said as much when she left, not call him up from the fucking highway later on to say it. That sounds like something a low IQ retard would come up with to hide the fact he killed her. Hell i'd expect smarter behavior out of the likes of lucas werner. Even he would ask why anyone would do that. It utterly screams alibi after the fact
Machine made Horrors said:
Here JF explains away the clip where Elora has a crash out while he is interviewing "no white guilt". His explanation is that Elora has a delusion that "no white guilt" is some kind of entity that is trying to hurt her who has been after her for years and takes many forms.
After watching that clip many times, I think a far simpler explanation is that she is talking to "no white guilt" and that she fears that JF is the one that wants to kill her. She seem to be addressing him more that she is addressing JF in that clip
Indeed. Particularly given the context of later events
Machine made Horrors said:
Here we have a new element to JF's story. According to him Elora signed some documents in front of a lawyer giving him power of attorney or controls over her affairs before she left. He is vague on the details since this is an obvious lie
Nobody would do this unless they were being coerced. Its also contradicted by his own statements in the aftermath of this situation becoming public. Remember when he flat out said he still needed her for some paperwork and such? I do. This 'explanation' directly contradicts that
Machine made Horrors said:
Here JF elaborates on Elora signing some documents to give him control of her affairs before she left. Clearly the housewives audience is not buying this detail of his story and nor am I
Nor should anyone. Again contradicts what was previously claimed. and if it was true it would make things that much more suspicious. Why would anyone do that in her situation? Sure if you've got dementia or something that you know is going to fuck up your ability to consent to things later but thats not what this kind of situation is at all. Either it didn't happen or its coercion. Its also a big red flag that frankly should should get the cops to arch an eyebrow
and holy shit 'I don't think i'm a prime suspect in any way' nigger you're THE prime suspect and the last confirmed person to have seen her alive. That automatically makes you the prime suspect. Add to that being her spouse and telling a bizarre and constantly changing story. and whats this about hiring someone with bitcoin to assassinate her as some kind of crackpot theory he blurts out? This clearly happened when you were living together ffs
He's not helping his claims of not having something to do with her disappearance with shit like this
Machine made Horrors said:
JF explains that when he went live after Elora left and he mentioned doing some drywall work it was a nod to his viewers and he was hinting that he was digging his bitcoins out of the walls to hide them somewhere else. Apparently this is a thing he advocated in his video on how to secure your bitcoins, I haven't watched that video, so I don't know if it is true but that wouldn't surprise me.
Uh huh. Because its totally normal to hide bitcoin shit in your walls, let alone to the point you have to tear the walls apart to get them. and you got them into the walls in the first place...how again? and you just randomly decided to bleach the whole house while you were at it huh?
Machine made Horrors said:
So in this new version of events.
-JF and Elora went shopping for camping supplies for some time before she left.
-Elora signed some paperwork to give JF control over things.
-JF dropped off Elora at the gas station closest to the confederation bridge then went for some Wendy's.
-Elora was crying when they parted and he saw her going in the gas station as he left.
-They exchanged text messages from June 17 to 19th.
-On June 19th Elora called him one last time to make sure he had everything he needed from her since she was going off the grid and would not be contacting him anymore ever.
-In this new story, Elora is not going on a wilderness trip to find herself, but she is going back to live on the streets to party and do drugs I guess.
None of that makes sense. She would have no reason to message him like that if she was fucking off for good. and it still doesn't explain how she managed to conveniently disappear off the face of the earth immediately afterwards
Machine made Horrors said:
I am pretty sure the RCMP themselves released the fact that she was seen in Moncton on June 19th. No footage was released, so I believe this is only an eyewitness account.
No, they claimed it was a suspected sighting, not a confirmed one and when told of it JF immediately changed his story and 'remembered' that she was wearing the exact clothes the woman in said suspected sighting was wearing. Which is all kinds of suspicious. Its more likely than no the sighting was made up by the RCMP to see how he reacted to it
SterilizedGlowsticks said:
If the story keeps changing, it's because the person is lying.
His story changes every time he tells it.
More than that, every time he tells it he manages to say something contradictory and nonsensical. He has absolutely no reason to lie about any of it unless he did something to her
TulpaTownW said:
This statement should probably be the easiest to debunk if someone contacts the RCMP? Is this even true
Oh its true, but not in the way he's trying to imply. As stated above, the RCMP issued a statement saying a possible sighting happened. It was never confirmed and given that nobody anywhere has seen or heard from her and none of her accounts, credit cards or whatever else have been active at all since she disappeared its either a false sighting (which are incredibly common) or the cops made it up to see how he would react (which is common in disappearances like this) and the fact he immediately changed his story to match the 'sighting' speaks for itself. By his own admission he apparently somehow can't remember what she was wearing or if she had a bunch of camping gear on her when he 'dropped her off'