Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Mussolini’s Merkin said:
I would love something like that. More stories about the enlisted and non-coms in Star Fleet would be great. We only get small glimpses of it during the shows but it was always my favorite parts. The only real non-com character we have is O’Brien, probably the reason he’s my favorite in the entire series.
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I feel like in general, we need less stories centered around Starfleet and more about crews on the outskirts of the galaxy.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
iirc that sorta was the point, was that Ent was going to show Sam inventing how to Starfleet Captain over the seven seasons, so he comes off hyperdoof the first year because it was going to be character development
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Remember when the showrunner tweeted that the future-guy Mephistopheles was actually Archer from an evil future? That was cute.

We’re drowning in a sea of flip flops from people who’ve made a career out of running interference for each other in a daisy chain of mediocrity. At this point, I don’t believe anything anyone says about Enterprise.

And if you ever listen to the commentary tracks, Keating and Trinneer joke about how Archer’s hair changes every week because the suits couldn’t decide if he was supposed to be boyish or weathered or rebellious or a company man. They weren’t myth building—they were scribbling on cocktail napkins and slapping them on teleprompters.
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
BSG is great until it isn’t. For those who have watched it I bet you know exactly which scene I am talking about.
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Honestly, I have no idea what scene you mean. I did watch Battlestar Galactica, and for me, the first detour that went nowhere was when Baltar had a dream about the baby drowning in a river.

Then, the TV movie that somehow made the finale worse: Cavil nuked the colonies so his parents could hang out on human ships for a bit, decide they didn’t like feelings, and go full toaster. Cool.

But as I said before, everyone knew Lindelof didn’t have a plan, and he was bathing in ad revenue, so BSG decided that they didn't need a plan either.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
Honestly, I have no idea what scene you mean. I did watch Battlestar Galactica, and for me, the first detour that went nowhere was when Baltar had a dream about a baby he didn’t have drowning in a river. Then there was one of the TV movies that somehow made the finale worse: Cavil nuked the colonies so his parents could hang out on human ships for a bit, decide they didn’t like feelings, and go full toaster. Cool.

But as I said before, everyone knew Lindelof didn’t have a plan, and he was bathing in ad revenue, so BSG decided that they didn't need a plan either.
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I would say that abortion episode was the beginning of the end of good BSG. It goes against one of founding principles of the show (only 50,000 human left and counting) and Roslyn's characterization completely. I don't care about abortion IRL, but in BSG, humanity is on the verge of extinction, so abortion without exploring every other option like giving the baby up for adoption is absolutely bonkers. Then after that, we find out Cylons wanted to make Human-Cylon hybrids and force-breeding women after they nuked the 12 colonies. Because irradiated humans make for such great genetic material. Then there's Baltar's trial and all the plot armor those episodes had and the Final Five plot. I don't have to explain why the Final Five plot doesn't make sense.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I don't have to explain why the Final Five plot doesn't make sense.
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So Cavil does the twist with his mother, and we’re just supposed to roll with that? :| Bold move if your goal is to win her over once she gets her memories back. Masterclass in persuasion.

And that stupidity echoes Lost—your main villain lumbers about, devoid of strategy. He was just born evil.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
So Cavil does the twist with his mother, and we’re just supposed to roll with that? Bold move if your goal is to win her over once she gets her memories back. Real masterclass in persuasion.

And that stupidity echoes Lost—your main villain lumbers about, devoid of strategy. He was just born evil.
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And he was more consistent than the rest of them. At least he always wants to kill all humans. Six and Boomer and all the others have conflicting goals that are mutually exclusive like breeding hybrids when gathering clean human sperm and ovum was easier before nuking the colonies.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
there's probably something meta in using a shit computer simulated-thought thing to have a conversation about the shit computer that killed lots of stuff for simulating thought
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We will remember this...
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NoBueno said:
AI is already doing the "My Dad works at Nintendo"
Or maybe it's doing a Mandella effect and picking up on the wrong timelines.
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Great, now how am I supposed to sleep?
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I would say that abortion episode was the beginning of the end of good BSG. It goes against one of founding principles of the show (only 50,000 human left and counting) and Roslyn's characterization completely. I don't care about abortion IRL, but in BSG, humanity is on the verge of extinction, so abortion without exploring every other option like giving the baby up for adoption is absolutely bonkers.
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The story was fine, it pushed Roslin to face the realpolitik of the Colonies. The Twelve Colonies might appear united after the Cylon Attack but they still have their own flag and beliefs. The people from Gemenon are very religious and it made sense that they would make a fuss the second they heard about the pregnant girl. Let's not forget that this was happening during the electoral campaign for the Presidency of the Twelve Colonies. It was a tough decision for Roslin and it got worse as Baltar announced that he would be a candidate right after her speech to the media.
 
PFM said:
Came across some interesting trivia while watching through TNG. Per IMDB:
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Considering lawyrence tierney's history he should consider himself fortunate there weren't any open windows around. Something tells me he was thinking about it at the time

Mussolini's Merkin said:
If they are set on making more ST movies and want to keep up the gritty and dark vibes they are pushing for, why not make a film about the Setlik III, have a young O’Brian fighting off those Cardy bastards and showing the horrors of war
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Why do I get the feeling the writers would turn that into some bizarre situation like that scene in gods and generals where the union and confederate irish were shooting at each other and losing their shit over it, except it would be obrien shooting at irish colonists who stayed in some cardassian colony in the DMZ and ended up getting invaded by the feds over it, with obrien shooting at them and screaming about spoonheads and northern ireland or some shit
 
At least in slightly positive news for once, the orville 4th season is reportedly in production, so we might end up getting quality trek soon.
 
Miller said:
The story was fine, it pushed Roslin to face the realpolitik of the Colonies. The Twelve Colonies might appear united after the Cylon Attack but they still have their own flag and beliefs. The people from Gemenon are very religious and it made sense that they would make a fuss the second they heard about the pregnant girl. Let's not forget that this was happening during the electoral campaign for the Presidency of the Twelve Colonies. It was a tough decision for Roslin and it got worse as Baltar announced that he would be a candidate right after her speech to the media.
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Except the religious kooks aren't being that kooky in that episode. Literally only 50000 people are alive at the start of the show and that number goes down every time they get into a fight or an industrial accident happens. You can't be making babies if you also abort them. Letting that mother abort her baby under a legal loophole was Roslyn satisfying her personal belief over the good of the human race. And adoption is always an option as there are plenty of other widows and former mothers willing to provide a home for a newborn.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
At least in slightly positive news for once, the orville 4th season is reportedly in production, so we might end up getting quality trek soon.
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Do people genuinely think the 3rd season of the Orville was quality trek? I thought the Star Wars + mouthpiece for MacFarlane's political opinions energy had completely taken over, myself. In total across the entire series so far I think there's like ... maybe 3 episodes that are good, and generally not because they're quality trek substitutions, but just something funny or interesting that you wouldn't see on trek. I'm speaking as someone who watched the Orville up to date and kind of enjoyed it for what it was.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Except the religious kooks aren't being that kooky in that episode. Literally only 50000 people are alive at the start of the show and that number goes down every time they get into a fight or an industrial accident happens. You can't be making babies if you also abort them. Letting that mother abort her baby under a legal loophole was Roslyn satisfying her personal belief over the good of the human race. And adoption is always an option as there are plenty of other widows and former mothers willing to provide a home for a newborn.
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This episode is proof that Leftists would happily destroy the Human Race if it meant that women could slut it up without consequence.

Also, the most unrealistic fantasy that Leftists have is the idea that Progressive values will somehow survive an apocalypse.
 
Pokemon Conquistador said:
Also, the most unrealistic fantasy that Leftists have is the idea that Progressive values will somehow survive an apocalypse.
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More unrealistic than their belief that their values and their obsession with equity will lead to some kind of utopia and not to a dystopian hivemind that'll have the assimilation of the rest of the universe as the stated primary goal?
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Most of the story is the captain trying to find any other way to resolve the situation than sending in his deatchment of Marines, since he doesn't want to lose any guys because of "Federation policy."
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Isn't the federation policy specifically NOT to send in the detachment of marines and try to find the peaceful option? As per your intro? So he is in agreement with the federation in that case.

Other than that it could have been an actual episode, seriously 10/10. The DS9 episodes that try to deal with actual warfare drama are my favourites, paper moon, the siege of ar-558, etc.
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Do people genuinely think the 3rd season of the Orville was quality trek? I thought the Star Wars + mouthpiece for MacFarlane's political opinions energy had completely taken over, myself. In total across the entire series so far I think there's like ... maybe 3 episodes that are good, and generally not because they're quality trek substitutions, but just something funny or interesting that you wouldn't see on trek. I'm speaking as someone who watched the Orville up to date and kind of enjoyed it for what it was.
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Overille in its entirety has been better trek than anything released post DS9 I would argue. If we are talking about quality concentration it arguably has a lower percentage of stinkers than the next generation as well which has multiple borderline unwatchable seasons.

As for "Star wars energy" I legitimately have no clue what you're even talking about. If anything the last season moved closer toward DS9 with focus on political intrigue, negotiating and alliance building with trying to humanize the krill.

And by "mouthpiece energy" I assume you mean the 1 episode they did on the Krill election in which they explicitly don't take a side and mention that everyone sucks and the bad guy wins because of course he wins because if he didn't then the kaylon threat plotline they've been setting up the whole season would end right then and there.

Even at its absolute worst, the orville has less political mouthpiecing than the average season of star trek did. At least so far nobody has pulled out a copy of the communist manifesto and started quoting karl marx like they did in ds9.

It easily beats the entirety of nu trek, voyager and enterprise, and for the most part its a Best of/Remastered/Remake of New Generation.

I'm not saying the orville is perfect, of course it has its flaws, but for the most part it tries to take every lesson learned from past treks and remasters it rather competently. We have not gotten a good show of "Mostly competent exploration/science vessel crew explores new worlds on behalf of the union" since new generation, and the orvile fulfils that niche.
 
Didn't think it was possible. Just as the Enterprise theme started to grow on me, it got a weird sitcom upbeat. Also, the Time Wars ended in the best way possible: "We don't care. No one cares. Go away." Lol.
 
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