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Why are you such an insistent doomer about it? Like I’ve mentioned before, declining manufacturing hurts wage growth across the entire economy, which you can see by comparing that in 1980 the median household income was $20k and the median home price was $40k. Now the median household income is $80k and the median home price is $400k, so home price outgrew wages 2.5 times

Nobody is going to draft YOU to work in a factory, so how does this effect you so personally?
Thats not true if I had executive power I’d draft feminists and other members of the laptop class to work in factories for the lulz.
 
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Right but don’t tell them that we want them to suffah

They’ll try to get out of it
Slap up a few "Rosie the Riveter" posters on high school and college campus bulletin boards and make women think they're distinctly unwelcome or considered incapable or unwilling to do that type of work and they'll start insisting on factory jobs just because they've been told they can't/won't/aren't wanted. The Rosie poster is to remind them that it used to be cool.
 
The more important point is that reshoring manufacturing is not going to employ nearly the number of people that seems to be believed. The only real bump in low-skilled labor will be in construction - building all the plants - and that won't be done without firm commitments that policy won't change again 10 minutes from now. Billion-dollar plants require decades to pay off and if this is just short-term posturing nobody will put up that money.
I see your reading comprehension is shit friend. I said that the co-bot required a worker to load and inspect its work. It's doesn't replace a worker is supplants having an experienced welder with having literally anyone willing to work with it while they hone their own skills. When you're short on welders like the US is you should be begging to have these machines spread far and wide to offer more jobs to people who need an entry point.
 
The ones that can wait out Trump are in the minority, many companies can't do that.
That's the problem. Many American businesses will go under soon after Trump's full tariff regime resume later this year unless domestic manufacturing can be brought up to task before then, an implausible task.
 
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That's the problem. Many American businesses will go bankrupt shortly after Trump's full tariff regime resume later this year unless domestic manufacturing can be brought up to task before then, an implausible task.
It’s going to be a necessary task. China took the work by hostile means, and this is not sustainable. You want to build them a bigger navy?

Also as far as how beneficial it is, how much did the price of your meds go down since China started making them? Oh yeah, they went up
 
I see your reading comprehension is shit friend. I said that the co-bot required a worker to load and inspect its work. It's doesn't replace a worker is supplants having an experienced welder with having literally anyone willing to work with it while they hone their own skills. When you're short on welders like the US is you should be begging to have these machines spread far and wide to offer more jobs to people who need an entry point.
I was essentially agreeing with you so I'm not sure where you're coming from. The purpose of those robots is to replace multiple humans apiece. That's why they exist. Five humans maintaining a few million dollars worth of robots replaces a hundred or more manual laborers.
 
That table-mounted robot welding arm in the guy's pic is well over 6 figures. For one. An industrial CNC machine can cost a million. For one.

It's not 1955 any more.
Retard, co-bot's cost like 20-30k. A miller welding robotic cell costs like 120k used. Stop coping about a topic you're really poorly informed on.
 
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Who is buying toys? Children have exactly one toy (their iPad), I don't know what other market could exist for them.
For as long as their parents keep paying for the apps and phone they have a pacifier but not a innovation tool. Kids don't use iPads like adults. They watch silly bs from other creators, mimic them and become robots to trends. Toys inspire creativity and imagination, which is why zoomer liberals have none because they were raised as trend followers not innovators from same "iPads" at age 5.

Long run, kids without some tangible way to express themselves into something they love or make will continue to make them robots. Even before Hasbro and LEGO became adult oriented to Soy-Boys, the companies use to know that creativity was key as by this original quote by Company in 70's.

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(And before you go woke trash on Doll House quote, LEGO bricks were first developed as design and architecture. Which I believe the company is incentivizing that a boy may be prone to building a house which may inspire him to be into drafting or construction.)
 
Retard, co-bot's cost like 20-30k. A miller welding robotic cell costs like 120k used. Stop coping about a topic you're really poorly informed on.
The specific robot in that pic is a Vectis Cobalt Welder. They cost $95k-$140k apiece. I looked it up before posting, something you should've done. I am a retard though if that makes you feel any better.
 
That's the problem. Many American businesses will go under soon after Trump's full tariff regime resume later this year unless domestic manufacturing can be brought up to task before then, an implausible task.
I keep seeing people bring this point up but at the same time these businesses are mostly stimulating the Chinese economy because they buy from and sell crap from China. I don't really care if those businesses go under because they don't do anything for me.
 
Not only that but I'm all in favor of reducing luxurious models/trims from non-luxury car brands that we can go without. Maybe that'll get the consumers to quit wasting money on shit they don't need, like any F-150 that goes above the Lariat name and have trims like the King Ranch be a limited time offer.
Are you telling people to buy a BMW instead of a Luxury Truck they don't use for truck stuff?
 
To be fair if it is better for shareholders for them to not build factories, then by law they are compelled to do that. A big win would be repealing the precedent set by Dodge v. Ford Motor Co. let a company invest in itself over having to pay shareholders, yeah it'd affect me as well as I benefit from them putting shareholders first but I'd rather the company I invested in still exist beyond my lifetime.
I feel like, given the current makeup of corporate decision-makers, untethering them from shareholder accountability re: producing shareholder returns might just result in them going 100% in on DEI and climate stuff.
 
It’s going to be a necessary task.
It won't be a completed task before the midterms.
China took the work by hostile means, and this is not sustainable. You want to build them a bigger navy?
They will keep building ships of war regardless of whether or not Americans are walking around in shoes made by Xi's sixth cousin twice removed.
Who is buying toys? Children
Wouldn't you like to know.
 
I feel like, given the current makeup of corporate decision-makers, untethering them from shareholder accountability re: producing shareholder returns might just result in them going 100% in on DEI and climate stuff.
You mean they didn't when they had to be accountable to shareholders? I feel you bud but I think they're gonna go money chasing and DEI doesn't sell unless you get government grants to write off the costs.
 
If Trump actually did/said this (I've found no evidence that headline is true) he could win the 18 to 30 year old male vote for the Republican party for life

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I know a couple of severe TDS people who've agreed that, if renegotiating tariffs and regulations allowed them to buy a Toyota Hilux, they'd accept that as a win.
 
It's doesn't replace a worker is supplants having an experienced welder with having literally anyone willing to work with it while they hone their own skills.
A lot of the people arguing against onshoring of manufacturing and its viability have exactly one mental model of how factories work, which is 50 year old men in dying industries using archaic manual processes learned through blood, sweat and tears. Any solution that doesn't immediately restore exactly that is simply infeasible to them. When in reality, its like starting up any other business or industry, you work with what you got and what tools are available. If all they have is zoomers and six figure CnC hardware, they'll figure out how to make it work. Besides, a $100k machine in a machine shop is a bargain, not a horrific burden. For context, fitting out a new restaurant can run you anywhere from 500k to a million, easy. People don't really have a good context of the scale of the money that goes into any slightly serious business venture.

American manufacturing doesn't need to be instantly perfect in its planning day one, doesn't instantly have to have a matured labor and skills market day one. It doesn't need to immediately replace everyone, everywhere all at once when it comes to the supply of goods. All it needs to do is provide a tariff-enforced cheaper option that can be scaled up, and the markets can work with that. If they can pivot to just 20% of the supply chain being primarily domestic, then they've got a 20% of their production that's now predictable and immune to trade war and geopolitical bullshit, which they can scale up. Importing the other 80% to meet demand becomes an unfortunate cost to be reduced over time.

The companies that get ahead of this now and become the first movers become the prime candidates for investment, and we'll rapidly see this turn into an AI situation - Investors will see X company making Y% returns beyond market norms that they attribute to onshoring, and will start expecting every business they're investing in to show them their onshoring adoption plans. The ones with good plans and good progress (Or good bullshitting skills, but nothing is perfect) on them will continue to receive investor capital, which can offset much of the initial loss and pain period - AI's burned hundreds of billions of dollars to create a chatbot that still can't handle working a drive-thru, its not hard to imagine investors being much more open wallet around industries with literal centuries of financial history and profits behind them.
 
I feel you bud but I think they're gonna go money chasing and DEI doesn't sell unless you get government grants to write off the costs.
Oh, the company will lose money, but that's the company's problem. You've already got your golden parachute and can move onto the next target once this one is drained.
 
It won't be a completed task before the midterms.
No, probably not, but again. Imports can be re-sourced through a ton of different places in the short term, and the investment pledges were getting will be showing up on balance sheets and making work for construction guys by then.
They will keep building ships of war regardless of whether or not Americans are walking around in shoes made by Xi's sixth cousin twice removed.
They got the money to do it from us. They’re continuing to get the money to do it from us, or we’re until last week

@Kuritan Deplorable wait until the 3D printer kids find out that shit counts as manufacturing
 
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