Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Club Sandwich]

over insert the magazine and permanently deform the ejector

i see what you mean, although SIG's official fix per their service center documentation for the P320 is an FCU replacement on department issue weapons and using the standard 17 round magazine (no hi caps/extended caps). not really ideal for the competition shooter, but it seems that having a little shim of plastic to provide the < 1mm of space between the baseplate and grip can solve this handily enough and be epoxied in place with little effort until a new baseplate with altered geometry is offered. heck i could probably 3d print something.

for the FCU of already bent ejectors, cutting it off with a cutoff wheel and dremel a little slot, then laser weld a replacement ejector from 0.085" 304 stainless will be a semi-permanent fix. i've done this with some very well used X-Five pistols using the 20 round mags and figured it was an issue from just hard use (bent and cracking).

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

More AR15 autism that they post on Twitter 30 times a day to rage bait boomers.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

https://x.com/Type07Safety/status/1911403007889092866

Don't know how to dl xitter vids, but here's another 320 that just oopsied. Witnesses there are swearing up and down he didn't have his hand on the gun at the time of discharge. It was allegedly in a T1C OWB holster and was (maybe) an X5 legion with an aftermarket barrel w/ comp and maybe different grip module, the parts changed shouldn't have anything to do with random discharge, though again, this is just according to someone who was in the class where the discharge occurred. Ben Stoeger has also posted about it on Instagram and his YouTube. In Ben Stoeger's video on this he mentioned that Chicago has banned it from being able to be carried by their police due to safety concerns. As well, just recently the OKC PD have switched from p320s to HK VP9s due to a p320 that went off at a school playground in December. It may be banned state wide there too.
Now cops aren't known for being the most safe, but whatever the truth is, this is severely going to be harming Sig's bottom line as more and more police departments move to safer platforms.

The fact that his first question is, "is that a fucking 320?" is pretty hilarious.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I can't stress enough how pissed I am the 320 sucks as bad as it does, but I'm definitely thankful I never bought one.
It feels great in the hand, the trigger almost pulls itself() and I'm used to the mile-high SigSauer bore axis. Oh well, maybe next decade we'll see another wondernine attempt to dethrone Glock.

 

[BikeLock]

More AR15 autism that they post on Twitter 30 times a day to rage bait boomers.

The M16 is literally an AR-15 variant. Like the M9 vs the Beretta 92. No the "M9" is not 1:1 the same as the current Beretta 92FS, it is a variant of the Beretta 92, like the SA only models. Those are all Beretta 92's, the M9 is the specific version of the 92 that won the .gov contract, that's it. The M-16 is the version of the "AR-15" that won the .gov contract. The only "special" parts about the M-16 that it has over the "AR-15" is the specific TDP that they have to be built to to meet the contract, which includes the parts that go "brrt" that have to be left out of the semi-auto only models. What muddies this a bit is that there are legit commercial full auto AR-15s. So if you're getting into the weeds, its usually due to collector autismo shit, like the commercial Colt rifles that Delta used during Blackhawk Down, those were technically not M-16s, those were Colt 723s, which are commercial full auto AR-15 carbines that were pre-M4, which are also AR-15s.

 

[Bogliacci]

What is most interesting to me on the p320 debacle is the amount of siggers that are dedicated to sucking sig cock for absolutely no reason

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

The M16 is literally an AR-15 variant. Like the M9 vs the Beretta 92. No the "M9" is not 1:1 the same as the current Beretta 92FS, it is a variant of the Beretta 92, like the SA only models. Those are all Beretta 92's, the M9 is the specific version of the 92 that won the .gov contract, that's it. The M-16 is the version of the "AR-15" that won the .gov contract. The only "special" parts about the M-16 that it has over the "AR-15" is the specific TDP that they have to be built to to meet the contract, which includes the parts that go "brrt" that have to be left out of the semi-auto only models. What muddies this a bit is that there are legit commercial full auto AR-15s. So if you're getting into the weeds, its usually due to collector autismo shit, like the commercial Colt rifles that Delta used during Blackhawk Down, those were technically not M-16s, those were Colt 723s, which are commercial full auto AR-15 carbines that were pre-M4, which are also AR-15s.

Sonny, if you put a 5 fifty six in your 2 twenty three it will kersplode

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

What is most interesting to me on the p320 debacle is the amount of siggers that are dedicated to sucking sig cock for absolutely no reason

They’re so pervasive that they’ve infiltrated the highest reaches of government

 

[DocAwe]

Sig should have stuck with the better pistol.
The SP 2022.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I can't stress enough how pissed I am the 320 sucks as bad as it does, but I'm definitely thankful I never bought one.
It feels great in the hand, the trigger almost pulls itself() and I'm used to the mile-high SigSauer bore axis. Oh well, maybe next decade we'll see another wondernine attempt to dethrone Glock.

Hehe the thing is, the striker fired semi auto handgun was pretty much figured out in the 1980s with Glock.

Beyond a better grip angle and a few little ergonomic tweaks, there isn't much to improve besides cost.... And Sig knows all about cost engineering.

The beat a Glock you need to be just as reliable and cheaper. Or use Glock magazines and be cheaper and more ergonomic.

That's pretty much it.

If you're coming out with proprietary magazines you better make them open source/cheaper than Glock mags.

 

[SAR545]

Actually, you are incorrect about that

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Funny enough Moka's Raifus made a clone of the ADAR and the russians thought he was illegally importing them

 

[Dean Pentel]

SIG 320 stuff

Hey Clubby, have you tried any of those "tests" on a 320 shown in some videos posted ITT? If so, have you noticed any trends you'd care to comment on?

I have a 320 I use for travel and rucking. I put Apex Tactical fire control parts in it, tried those tests, and it appears my pistol is unlikely to have a mechanical ND. I'm asking you because you probably have a sample size far larger than 1 for any of this stuff.

Sig should have stuck with the better pistol.
The SP 2022.

That really was a pretty good pistol. Nostalgia makes me slightly curious to see if I could find a gently used one cheap. Back when I owned one in the ancient times it was the 2009, though.

 

[BikeLock]

Hehe the thing is, the striker fired semi auto handgun was pretty much figured out in the 1980s with Glock.

Beyond a better grip angle and a few little ergonomic tweaks, there isn't much to improve besides cost.... And Sig knows all about cost engineering.

The beat a Glock you need to be just as reliable and cheaper. Or use Glock magazines and be cheaper and more ergonomic.

That's pretty much it.

If you're coming out with proprietary magazines you better make them open source/cheaper than Glock mags.

I like my VP9 flavored glonk more than my actual Gen 4 Glock 19. I think the VP9 uses a striker system that is similar to the Walther P99, which is why the trigger is so much better. The crappy feel of the Glock trigger is baked into the design more or less. I'm sure you can get a modified trigger that eliminates that half stroke that fully cocks the striker, but then you lose one of the safety mechanisms built into the design, no thanks if I'm gonna carry it.

"muh grip angle" and "muh bore axis" are overrated concerns, imho. If either one of those throws you off, literally git gud, faggot.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Hey Clubby, have you tried any of those "tests" on a 320 shown in some videos posted ITT? If so, have you noticed any trends you'd care to comment on?

I have a 320 I use for travel and rucking. I put Apex Tactical fire control parts in it, tried those tests, and it appears my pistol is unlikely to have a mechanical ND. I'm asking you because you probably have a sample size far larger than 1 for any of this stuff.

i haven't, but i can do so with some i have in inventory. about the only trend i've noticed on parts is the the slide stop getting a bit of a shiny spot above the 6k round count and the ejector going negative somewhere between 5k and 10k rounds with duty ammo (124gr GD +p 9mm). recoil springs i measure and replace as needed, but typically they test fine at 5k/10k. i recommend replacing them anyway as it's SIG's part replacement schedule (5k recoil spring for compact, 10k for full size, 10k for slide stop lever and spring, barrel at 20k et c). for comparison another department i service uses H&K handguns and they have a similar schedule with much longer service intervals for their parts. 20k+ for a recoil spring isn't unusual for an H&K duty pistol. S&W M&P 2.0 used by another smaller department has a recoil spring replacement per 5k since that's the recommended interval, but the reality is the spring can go for 10k or so very easily as the metallurgy is very good and the use in the M&P 2.0 is very mild on wear. S&W is weirdly conservative about it is all.

common mistakes is over-lubrication since the FCU and striker assembly are PVD'd and should need no lube at all, and no lube for the sear assembly either as again it's PVD'd and self lubricating. adding oil or something there will just attract dirt/dust/debris especially in the striker channel in the slide.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

"muh grip angle" and "muh bore axis" are overrated concerns, imho

The grip angle is more annoying if you started on a not-Glock. With most pistols with 1911ish grip angles, I can practically get sights on target with my eyes closed. It's just muscle memory. If I tried that with a Glock, I'd be sending rounds into the ceiling. I deal with this by just looking at my sights, but they just don't feel as natural to me because I learned to shoot on guns with more 1911ish grip angles. I'd imagine the opposite is true, too, but Glock are the only manufacturer I'm aware of with their freakish grip angle.

Bore axis is a thing, but it's way less of a thing than people make it out to be. A lower bore axis is nice to have, but there aren't that many people who can shoot well enough, fast enough to really take advantage of it.

 

[Jarl Varg]

Can anyone recommend a good, affordable pellet gun in .20 or .22 caliber? I have a squirrel infestation, that needs to be dealt with, the hard way. I had a Benjamin .177 when I was a kid, but want something that will pack a little more punch.

 

[ChampFantana]

I gotchu
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Are the Siggers all fucking retarded or something?

 

[DocAwe]

I owned a 1911 long before I owned a glork.
I never even thought about ze gripslz anglez because a glork isn't a 1911 and vice versa.
Learn to shoot more that one type of gun or just pick one and stick with it.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

S&W is weirdly conservative about it is all.

They've been that way forever. they had similar recommended inspection intervals on their service revolvers. The recommend against usage of +p+ in aluminum framed revolvers, and only for use in "emergencies" in steel framed J & K frame revolvers. They also made Police agencies sign a waiver stating that they understood the shorter intervals required to maintain proper function if they issued +p+ ammunition and mandated armorers inspect for barrel and forcing cone erosion "often" but never directly stated a recommended round count.

Colt did however. They mandated inspections every 1,000 rounds on aluminum framed Cobra revolvers when firing .38 +P and every 3,000 rounds in steel framed guns. Colt would not service a D-frame revolver that was fired with +p+ ammunition at all. Their position was that the shooter had knowingly and intentionally fired over-pressure ammunition with the fore knowledge that it would damage the firearm.

Ruger stated that all their revolvers were "rated for unlimited use of +p and +p+ ammunition as long as said ammunition complies with industry standards" Now, that sounds pretty good but the catch is there has never been a SAAMI spec for +p+ ammunition so essentially Ruger recommended against using +p+ while sounding like they endorsed it.

All Manufacturers today rate their snub nose revolvers, aluminum or otherwise, for unlimited use of .38 +p ammunition. They almost universally recommend against .38 +p+ as there is still not, and probably never will be a standard set down by SAAMI. Most +p+ loads in .38 special are equal to proof loads.

 

[BikeLock]

The grip angle is more annoying if you started on a not-Glock. With most pistols with 1911ish grip angles, I can practically get sights on target with my eyes closed. It's just muscle memory. If I tried that with a Glock, I'd be sending rounds into the ceiling. I deal with this by just looking at my sights, but they just don't feel as natural to me because I learned to shoot on guns with more 1911ish grip angles. I'd imagine the opposite is true, too, but Glock are the only manufacturer I'm aware of with their freakish grip angle.

Bore axis is a thing, but it's way less of a thing than people make it out to be. A lower bore axis is nice to have, but there aren't that many people who can shoot well enough, fast enough to really take advantage of it.

The Glonk grip angle comes from the fact that Gaston was not a gun guy. He made a fist, pointed (with his knuckle), and then angled his fist until the top of his fist was level with his arm, which, while fairly natural, gives you both the Glonk grip angle, and the Luger grip angle, which is also copied by the Woodsman, and the MKII.

Everyone else who has actually held a pistol puts their arm out, and then points with their finger, which may not be as biologically ergonomic as it is intuitive. The M1911A1 had a shorter trigger, and an angle grip housing vs straight, which actually changes the grip angle a little bit closer to the Glock/Luger imho, though obviously not as extreme. I don't even think you can buy a modern 1911 with the old angled housing unless its set up as a "mil spec" as everyone seems to like the straight one in modern configurations.

We could always "RETVRN TO TRADITION" and try to bring back the broomhandle Mauser, those are pretty neat, like a turn of the century steam punk Tec 9.

"Fuck ergonomics, we blastin' stormtroopers now, son!"