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BikeLock said:
"muh grip angle" and "muh bore axis" are overrated concerns, imho
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The grip angle is more annoying if you started on a not-Glock. With most pistols with 1911ish grip angles, I can practically get sights on target with my eyes closed. It's just muscle memory. If I tried that with a Glock, I'd be sending rounds into the ceiling. I deal with this by just looking at my sights, but they just don't feel as natural to me because I learned to shoot on guns with more 1911ish grip angles. I'd imagine the opposite is true, too, but Glock are the only manufacturer I'm aware of with their freakish grip angle.

Bore axis is a thing, but it's way less of a thing than people make it out to be. A lower bore axis is nice to have, but there aren't that many people who can shoot well enough, fast enough to really take advantage of it.
 
Can anyone recommend a good, affordable pellet gun in .20 or .22 caliber? I have a squirrel infestation, that needs to be dealt with, the hard way. I had a Benjamin .177 when I was a kid, but want something that will pack a little more punch.
 
Club Sandwich said:
S&W is weirdly conservative about it is all.
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They've been that way forever. they had similar recommended inspection intervals on their service revolvers. The recommend against usage of +p+ in aluminum framed revolvers, and only for use in "emergencies" in steel framed J & K frame revolvers. They also made Police agencies sign a waiver stating that they understood the shorter intervals required to maintain proper function if they issued +p+ ammunition and mandated armorers inspect for barrel and forcing cone erosion "often" but never directly stated a recommended round count.

Colt did however. They mandated inspections every 1,000 rounds on aluminum framed Cobra revolvers when firing .38 +P and every 3,000 rounds in steel framed guns. Colt would not service a D-frame revolver that was fired with +p+ ammunition at all. Their position was that the shooter had knowingly and intentionally fired over-pressure ammunition with the fore knowledge that it would damage the firearm.

Ruger stated that all their revolvers were "rated for unlimited use of +p and +p+ ammunition as long as said ammunition complies with industry standards" Now, that sounds pretty good but the catch is there has never been a SAAMI spec for +p+ ammunition so essentially Ruger recommended against using +p+ while sounding like they endorsed it.

All Manufacturers today rate their snub nose revolvers, aluminum or otherwise, for unlimited use of .38 +p ammunition. They almost universally recommend against .38 +p+ as there is still not, and probably never will be a standard set down by SAAMI. Most +p+ loads in .38 special are equal to proof loads.
 
Friedrich Hayek's Ghost said:
The grip angle is more annoying if you started on a not-Glock. With most pistols with 1911ish grip angles, I can practically get sights on target with my eyes closed. It's just muscle memory. If I tried that with a Glock, I'd be sending rounds into the ceiling. I deal with this by just looking at my sights, but they just don't feel as natural to me because I learned to shoot on guns with more 1911ish grip angles. I'd imagine the opposite is true, too, but Glock are the only manufacturer I'm aware of with their freakish grip angle.

Bore axis is a thing, but it's way less of a thing than people make it out to be. A lower bore axis is nice to have, but there aren't that many people who can shoot well enough, fast enough to really take advantage of it.
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The Glonk grip angle comes from the fact that Gaston was not a gun guy. He made a fist, pointed (with his knuckle), and then angled his fist until the top of his fist was level with his arm, which, while fairly natural, gives you both the Glonk grip angle, and the Luger grip angle, which is also copied by the Woodsman, and the MKII.

Everyone else who has actually held a pistol puts their arm out, and then points with their finger, which may not be as biologically ergonomic as it is intuitive. The M1911A1 had a shorter trigger, and an angle grip housing vs straight, which actually changes the grip angle a little bit closer to the Glock/Luger imho, though obviously not as extreme. I don't even think you can buy a modern 1911 with the old angled housing unless its set up as a "mil spec" as everyone seems to like the straight one in modern configurations.

We could always "RETVRN TO TRADITION" and try to bring back the broomhandle Mauser, those are pretty neat, like a turn of the century steam punk Tec 9.

"Fuck ergonomics, we blastin' stormtroopers now, son!"
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Friedrich Hayek's Ghost said:
With most pistols with 1911ish grip angles, I can practically get sights on target with my eyes closed. It's just muscle memory
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its more than muscle memory. The 1911 was designed as a cavalry pistol which meant it needed to point extremely well since you aren't aligning the sights at a gallop. The Single action army had the same requirements and its the most natural feeling and balanced handgun ever made.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
They almost universally recommend against .38 +p+ as there is still not, and probably never will be a standard set down by SAAMI. Most +p+ loads in .38 special are equal to proof loads.
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Are there any +p+ .38s outside of the old treasury load (and its associated variants)? I know one Californian Agency adopted a specific revolver specifically for the load (Model 68).
 
Internorth Inc said:
Are there any +p+ .38s outside of the old treasury load (and its associated variants)? I know one Californian Agency adopted a specific revolver specifically for the load (Model 68).
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As far as i can recall most manufacturers offered a +p+ load due to demand from the law enforcement market. As bullet tech progressed the need for high velocities to ensure expansion from 2 inch barrels lessened. development of the +p+ started because the standard hollow point of the day, the 158gr LSWCH had (and has) excellent performance of criminals out of service size revolvers (4 inch barrels or more) but did not expand at all when fired out of the Snubs that the treasury department issued. Whichester built on the early experimentation of Super-vel and came out with the Q4070 loading for treasury. the boxes had a interesting disclaimer on the flaps:
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Winchester still makes this load under the RA3811HP sku under the Ranger line. the info in the pick above still stands. its 15-20% higher than +p pressures. here is the spec sheet for the current load:
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APEX .380 and .40 at Target Sports is on closeout for decent cost. it's good stuff from what i've tried in both of these (and 9mm) using copper solids from Lehigh Defense (absolutely brutal damage in calibrated ballistic gel at an LE range with an LCP for what they are).

edit: .300 AAC too.
 
Friedrich Hayek's Ghost said:
New Springfield PDW. Imported from Croatia, apparently. Proprietary mags, but they're supposed to be twenty-five bucks a pop. They're aiming for about a grand.

Might be great, might be shit, but it's nice to see more delayed-blowback PCCs coming out.
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The press embargo has been removed and all the videos are dropping at once, so we're getting the first views since SHOT. It's a sequel to the Hellion drop in that it's going to be everywhere for roughly 24 hours.
 
Friedrich Hayek's Ghost said:
New Springfield PDW. Imported from Croatia, apparently. Proprietary mags, but they're supposed to be twenty-five bucks a pop. They're aiming for about a grand.

Might be great, might be shit, but it's nice to see more delayed-blowback PCCs coming out.
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it might be cool. it's priced to compete with those MAC MP5 clones and that roller delay will outperform something like 9mm AR. that magwell and proprietary magazine looks gross to me though
 
sodomy lifestyle said:
It confuses me how pathetic the velocity and energy figures are, for a +P+ load. Snubs make even standard factory load .38s sound obnoxious, so I wonder how many miles away one could hear this round being discharged.
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.38 is really pitiful in the velocity department hence why many loads have trouble with expansion. Looking at the Lucky Gunner testing, it appears the Treasury load does a lot better out of a service revolver (1110 in a 4" vs. 972 in a 2") than it does a snub, comparatively most other .38 +p loads get anywhere from the low 800s to mid 900s out of a 4 inch. Interestingly the second fastest load was a 110gr Hornady +P at 1058. Makes me wonder if Hornady is really pushing the limit of "+P" or if the Treasury load needs even more barrel length to reach optimum velocity (iirc the model 68s had a 6" barrel).
Edit: The Lucky Gunner tests in question.
 
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