GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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The Ugly One said:
Glad NVIDIA's finally releasing a card scalpers can afford. I wonder what the rest of us will pay.
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Newegg has early pricing of the 5060 ti 16G starting at $473
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AIB 5060 Ti models already +10% for your pleasure, before launch.
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That's for all of them too:
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
They will slowly die as Nvidia keeps fucking them out of existence (EVGA) and AMD moves to mega APUs. But they are with us for the immediate future.
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Makes sense. I can def see the UDNA APU making the 60 series class and below pointless once UDNA hits as it's easier to have a 10600X/10600 combo chip for a budget/casual tier gamer than a 10600X and a 10600 discrete GPU here.
 
Mister Fister said:
Makes sense. I can def see the UDNA APU making the 60 series class and below pointless once UDNA hits as it's easier to have a 10600X/10600 combo chip for a budget/casual tier gamer than a 10600X and a 10600 discrete GPU here.
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An early leak of Zen 6 desktop "CPUs" (not desktop APUs) has some of them including up to 8 CUs RDNA4 (way up from the 2 CUs RDNA2 they have currently). I guess if fully enabled that could outperform the 8600G, maybe not the 8700G. It might not happen but it's something to look out for. They will also be pricier and faster CPUs than casuals actually need.

RDNA5 may be a thing before the UDNA reunification officially takes place.

AMD will continue to make "mega APUs" like Strix Halo if they prove lucrative. I think they can bring the pricing down significantly if needed, although the graphics+I/O chiplet does use a fair amount of die area. They are chasing AI with them right now, but can fall back to gaming. Framework's Strix Halo motherboard pricing is arguably reasonable, although they will be on backorder forever.


@The Ugly One according to this video (at 11:48), the RTX 5060 review embargo lifts on April 16, despite the card launching on an unspecified day in May. It's just going to silently appear for sale with no reviews unless a reviewer finagles an early retail sale.
 
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Is the Blackwell GPU released finished or do they still have one more GPU to drop in the bucket past the 5050 5060?
 
WULULULULU said:
Is the Blackwell GPU released finished or do they still have one more GPU to drop in the bucket past the 5050 5060?
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Presumably we'll be getting super refreshes with the new 3GB modules a year or two down the line.
 
The Ugly One said:
Intel still holds about 75% of the desktop CPU market. AMD can't afford to cut its TAM for its low-end GPUs down to exclusively AMD all-in-one machines.
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At least for me, can confirm on that. Last three machines (one for me, two for others) I've built have been Intel rigs, and my laptop is Intel. My work is also filled to the brim with Intel. Despite the recent hiccups, Intel is still perceived as reliable, and for the most part, they are. Personally I have no gripes with my 12900K.

The only reason I bought a AMD core recently for A planned build, a Ryzen 4500 (laugh), is because 1: its cheap lol, and 2: it's able to run 4K blurays in a media player setup, which is what I have planned for this tiny rig. Otherwise I like Intel generally.
 
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Not for the last two generations. Rust inside, indeed.
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On one hand yes. On the other, a guy just buying a work laptop from Walmart doesn't know that. He's replacing the laptop hes has for 5 years that was probably another Intel with another Intel, because it's what he knows. And generally it's going to be faster than what he used to have, so he's happy.
 
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It's because the bulk of desktop CPUs are bought by enterprises, and nobody at the enterprise level cares that a Core Ultra 285k can't hit 200 fps in Cyberpunk. They care what kind of bulk deal Dell is giving them on laptops and workstations, and Dell cares what kind of bulk deal they get on chips from Intel. What hurts Intel the most with Dell are things like Meteor Lake being late and performance-segment 14th gens blowing up.

AMD has had trouble capitalizing on this because they are an extremely disorganized company, and they keep running into trouble with security bugs. Gamers don't care about things like Zenbleed, but large enterprises do.

However, Intel's gotten its ass kicked in the server space because server rooms are now primarily power-limited, not space limited, and for I think four generations now, AMD has been kicking Intel's ass in performance per Watt. Granite Rapids has closed the gap a lot, but it's expensive, and AMD is cheap.
 
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The Ugly One said:
It's because the bulk of desktop CPUs are bought by enterprises, and nobody at the enterprise level cares that a Core Ultra 285k can't hit 200 fps in Cyberpunk. They care what kind of bulk deal Dell is giving them on laptops and workstations, and Dell cares what kind of bulk deal they get on chips from Intel. What hurts Intel the most with Dell are things like Meteor Lake being late and performance-segment 14th gens blowing up.
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Similarly, I care about the Intel CPUs when I can find the entire (dGPUless) Intel rig for ~$100 in the bargain bin, like I did for my current one. AMD doesn't make it into such deals typically because they don't have the volume. HP will put some 8000Gs into prebuilts but you probably won't see them under $300. Corporate PCs almost always have Intel. At least AMD is putting an iGPU in desktop CPUs now.

Videocardz: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Graphics Cards Review Roundup
Tom's Hardware: Nvidia GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16GB review: More VRAM and a price 'paper cut' could make for a compelling GPU
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TechPowerUp: ASUS GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Prime OC 16 GB Review


 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Similarly, I care about the Intel CPUs when I can find the entire (dGPUless) Intel rig for ~$100 in the bargain bin, like I did for my current one. AMD doesn't make it into such deals typically because they don't have the volume. HP will put some 8000Gs into prebuilts but you probably won't see them under $300. Corporate PCs almost always have Intel. At least AMD is putting an iGPU in desktop CPUs now.

Videocardz: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Graphics Cards Review Roundup
Tom's Hardware: Nvidia GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16GB review: More VRAM and a price 'paper cut' could make for a compelling GPU
Phoronix: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Linux GPU Compute Benchmarks
TechPowerUp: ASUS GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Prime OC 16 GB Review


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tl;dr: Used GPU > 5060ti on pricing.
 
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