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X-Men - All about the merry mutants: comics, movies, cartoons, and news of future cast.
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Lol literally got done just now watching Logan for the first time. Some good shit.
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I can't forget that they turned Nightcrawler into a fucking buttbaby.
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Xmen Arcade game was fire. Also Xmen vs Capcom was one of the best fighting games until Capcom kinda gave up on that.
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While caring about Marvel cawmics lore is about as futile as caring about the clean living chastity of the skankiest truck stop lot lizard west of Idaho, one thing I will say without hesitation about the X-men is that the whole "muh persecuted muhnority parable" schtick they have been mainlining since the 60s has proven to be ever more a fucking millstone around their neck when it comes to integrating them into the general Marvel universe.
When every nigger and their aunt either accidentally gets superpowers, intentionally is given superpowers, is randomly born with superpowers, or are part of a species whose every member has superpowers, the idea that the public would arbitrarily go apeshit over one specific subset of superhumans because they were born superhuman for a slightly different reason than a bunch other assholes who were born superhuman is shit the writers have been trying and failing without exception to justify for decades.
Either drop the muh persecuted muhnority schtick or drop the rest of the marvel universe as a whole and go with the vaguely less retarded "the public hates mutants for being super powerful compared to non mutants" schtick
When every nigger and their aunt either accidentally gets superpowers, intentionally is given superpowers, is randomly born with superpowers, or are part of a species whose every member has superpowers, the idea that the public would arbitrarily go apeshit over one specific subset of superhumans because they were born superhuman for a slightly different reason than a bunch other assholes who were born superhuman is shit the writers have been trying and failing without exception to justify for decades.
Either drop the muh persecuted muhnority schtick or drop the rest of the marvel universe as a whole and go with the vaguely less retarded "the public hates mutants for being super powerful compared to non mutants" schtick
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That's what I always liked about the live action films where they're the only superheroes around. It just makes so much more sense than them being in New York with a million other superheroes who don't get persecuted weekly because reasons. That's not to say that the crossovers can't be fun but generally it just seems like two different settings that keep clashing.
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It's because it made sense in the 60s.
The other heroes had some reasonable explanation to exist that was open to the public and they openly used their powers for good.
With the xmen, terms like mutation were rightfully scary back then because people were afraid of anything nuclear and the damages that would cause. And they weren't even sure what they were. Beast said so in the cartoon: the reasons for mutation were not really clear yet.
The other heroes had some reasonable explanation to exist that was open to the public and they openly used their powers for good.
With the xmen, terms like mutation were rightfully scary back then because people were afraid of anything nuclear and the damages that would cause. And they weren't even sure what they were. Beast said so in the cartoon: the reasons for mutation were not really clear yet.
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Rogue's and Kurt's origins were much better in the cartoon than in the comics.
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The "mutant as an allegory for minorities" thing worked when the X-Men had their own movies because the Avengers, Spidey, and Fantastic Four didn't exist in their cinematic universe.
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With anything Marvel, I like to pretend the comics ended in the late 1990s. Anything after that is apocryphal.
But we all know the real canon of X-Men is the 1990s cartoon (I haven't seen the recent X-Men 97 yet) and the arcade games by Konami and Capcom. No joke one of the reasons I tried to read the Onslaught saga was because of Marvel vs Capcom and yet... I almost think the game is better than the comic.
I would love to see a comic come up with an actual justification for how Mega Man (a robot) can fight someone with Magneto's powers and come out on top though. (real answer: he doesn't--Roll does!
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But we all know the real canon of X-Men is the 1990s cartoon (I haven't seen the recent X-Men 97 yet) and the arcade games by Konami and Capcom. No joke one of the reasons I tried to read the Onslaught saga was because of Marvel vs Capcom and yet... I almost think the game is better than the comic.
I would love to see a comic come up with an actual justification for how Mega Man (a robot) can fight someone with Magneto's powers and come out on top though. (real answer: he doesn't--Roll does!
)
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tbf is it ever said at any point that Mega Man is made of _metal_ as opposed to high performance polymersWith anything Marvel, I like to pretend the comics ended in the late 1990s. Anything after that is apocryphal.
But we all know the real canon of X-Men is the 1990s cartoon (I haven't seen the recent X-Men 97 yet) and the arcade games by Konami and Capcom. No joke one of the reasons I tried to read the Onslaught saga was because of Marvel vs Capcom and yet... I almost think the game is better than the comic.
I would love to see a comic come up with an actual justification for how Mega Man (a robot) can fight someone with Magneto's powers and come out on top though. (real answer: he doesn't--Roll does!
he's already mostly just a Casshern ripoff, why not have a Hurricane tonight too?
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I think some source or other claims he's made of Titanium. Although I would imagine something inside him is still susceptible to magnetism. It wasn't that long ago that a hard drive could be erased by getting too near a magnet.
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I think it'd be a fun twist for mutants to be hated by the public and claim persecution because there's so many other types of powers out there: mutants lash out and get stomped down because they're listed on the census in the same category as the lab accidents and space aliens, the general public doesn't care to make the distinction and that's what rustles their jimmies.
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The casting of mutants as an allegory for real-life discrimination is something of a convenient fig-leaf for the real hook. Which is appealing to socially excluded teens.
A boy who is socially excluded for whatever reasons commonly indulges in one or more of the following fantasies:
- I'm actually dangerous and I could lose control and then everybody would fear-respect me (insert any X-men)
- Secretly cool / They don't know how cool I am (any of the X-men in their school years, e.g. Cyclops)
- I'm a loner but that's like actually really cool (Wolverine)
- They hate me because I'm so cool.
- My problems aren't my fault - I'm inherently different.
- Being doomed / hated is actually being special. I'm special.
Yes, the X-men are presented as "minority" analogues and that does get some actual work. But really the appeal of the X-men is for teens, edgy or otherwise, who want to feel special and justified in their social exclusion. Younger children tend to have simple power fantasies - Hulk, Superman, whatever. Older kids are starting to try and reconcile who they are with their place in society and they aren't able to lose themselves so much in pure power fantasies, it has to tie in to their more complex social development. And if that's not going well, they have fantasies about why that is or why it's not a problem.
So sure, X-men as an analogy for whichever victim group you care to post-fact construct. But the actual appeal, is that they are victims, but cool. Because for an adolescent who can't shift the reality of feeling a victim, their fantasies have to accommodate and compensate for that.
A boy who is socially excluded for whatever reasons commonly indulges in one or more of the following fantasies:
- I'm actually dangerous and I could lose control and then everybody would fear-respect me (insert any X-men)
- Secretly cool / They don't know how cool I am (any of the X-men in their school years, e.g. Cyclops)
- I'm a loner but that's like actually really cool (Wolverine)
- They hate me because I'm so cool.
- My problems aren't my fault - I'm inherently different.
- Being doomed / hated is actually being special. I'm special.
Yes, the X-men are presented as "minority" analogues and that does get some actual work. But really the appeal of the X-men is for teens, edgy or otherwise, who want to feel special and justified in their social exclusion. Younger children tend to have simple power fantasies - Hulk, Superman, whatever. Older kids are starting to try and reconcile who they are with their place in society and they aren't able to lose themselves so much in pure power fantasies, it has to tie in to their more complex social development. And if that's not going well, they have fantasies about why that is or why it's not a problem.
So sure, X-men as an analogy for whichever victim group you care to post-fact construct. But the actual appeal, is that they are victims, but cool. Because for an adolescent who can't shift the reality of feeling a victim, their fantasies have to accommodate and compensate for that.
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I can personally vouch that a normal bulk eraser like the funnyguys of the fighting clubs did to Alien 3 tapes is not enough to nuke a hard drive.
But Mags always had bullshit "uhh, that's sorta magnet-able, sure" powers so yeah
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X-men specifically was always for the outcasts, to make them feel better and to tell them that they still have to give something back.
Are you a nerd bullied in school? Well, it's ok that you're a nerd, still do the right thing, and once you're older, use your brain to give back to society by being a scientist, a doctor, whatever.
You can also make that example for real minorities. It's not your fault being born that way, don't give in into hate the bigots, be the better person, and be a good citizen.
X-men now ain't about give back, but take from the rest because you deserve it. That's why most of the current readers who really like the modern iteration are progressives. They can only see the oppression part and they say "that's literally me". And that's why it's so fucking unpopular.
Are you a nerd bullied in school? Well, it's ok that you're a nerd, still do the right thing, and once you're older, use your brain to give back to society by being a scientist, a doctor, whatever.
You can also make that example for real minorities. It's not your fault being born that way, don't give in into hate the bigots, be the better person, and be a good citizen.
X-men now ain't about give back, but take from the rest because you deserve it. That's why most of the current readers who really like the modern iteration are progressives. They can only see the oppression part and they say "that's literally me". And that's why it's so fucking unpopular.
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Just a reminder that Kitty is the most based mutant. She's got the pass and she ain't afraid to use it.
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So, I started reading From the Ashes because "it's your boy Zach" dude was reviewing it before he went insane too.
It's... mediocre.
X-Men, Cyclops' team, is better. It's not good, but it's much better than the other. Here, Cyclops has settled in Alaska with some other mutants trying to adapt to their new life and making a difference. We have some good old style action mixed with personal drama. I thought this would be the weakest of the main two, but it's the one that gives you what you didn't expect. I didn't expect battles, aliens (kinda), monsters and I got them. From 0 to 10, I give it a generous 7. The art is not very appealing and we're focussing too little on Cyclops. He also had a panic attack because those are trendy now.
Uncanny X-Men Is written by no other then Gail Simone and she can't write. She's good writing about what the X-Men are eating or doing when they aren't fighting, but she's not better than that.
Uncanny is Rogue's team living in Louisiana, Gambit's home state, but he's barely present except when he's naked post-sex with Rogue and he's now shipped to Savage Land because Rogue's even stealing his lore. Because Gail wanted to write a Southern Gothic, they all talk as if they belong to a SG from the 50s. Unlike X-Men, this is all promises and zero delivery: "look, it's a team with Logan, Kurt, and Jubilee!"... they are there in name only, "Gambit's gonna fight a dragon!"... not shown, "Gambit's gonna fight someone from his past!"... some random that won't be relevant ever again.
Instead, it's all about Rogue and her doubts. If you ever read women's slop books, you know it's like 10% things happening and 90% wondering and musings because the author is a woman and can't do more than that. This is like this, with Rogue who's all of a sudden depressed and full of doubts and we are reading her thoughts all the time. Turns out she's quite a boring person.
On top of that, the story barely uses these super popular X-Men, but four new kids you can't convince me that people like: a Black Argentinian who's somehow cousin of Sunspot who's Brazilian, a Japanese kid who's there to appeal to the manga fans, typical blonde rich pretty girl whose family name is Simon because that's in fact how Simone sees herself, and another Asian kid who's gonna be a lesbian so she can scissor with the rich white girl.
One of them is meant to be some sort of prophesied kid who's not gonna be any of these but rather the black girl we just found out is also a mutant.
Book deserves a 5 only because of the art. Writing is absolute shit.
Exceptional X-Men is about nothing at all. It's the gay book among the others that are also gay. This one is really gay: it has Kitty (now bi), Bobby (gay), Emma, and pronouns. I only read the first number and I ran away like the plague. Someone decided to promote the book with this:
WTF is this? The other kids are at least aesthetically pleasing, this should be fucking killed.
So, such is the state of current X-men line. There are more books, but I'm not bothering.
It's... mediocre.
X-Men, Cyclops' team, is better. It's not good, but it's much better than the other. Here, Cyclops has settled in Alaska with some other mutants trying to adapt to their new life and making a difference. We have some good old style action mixed with personal drama. I thought this would be the weakest of the main two, but it's the one that gives you what you didn't expect. I didn't expect battles, aliens (kinda), monsters and I got them. From 0 to 10, I give it a generous 7. The art is not very appealing and we're focussing too little on Cyclops. He also had a panic attack because those are trendy now.
Uncanny X-Men Is written by no other then Gail Simone and she can't write. She's good writing about what the X-Men are eating or doing when they aren't fighting, but she's not better than that.
Uncanny is Rogue's team living in Louisiana, Gambit's home state, but he's barely present except when he's naked post-sex with Rogue and he's now shipped to Savage Land because Rogue's even stealing his lore. Because Gail wanted to write a Southern Gothic, they all talk as if they belong to a SG from the 50s. Unlike X-Men, this is all promises and zero delivery: "look, it's a team with Logan, Kurt, and Jubilee!"... they are there in name only, "Gambit's gonna fight a dragon!"... not shown, "Gambit's gonna fight someone from his past!"... some random that won't be relevant ever again.
Instead, it's all about Rogue and her doubts. If you ever read women's slop books, you know it's like 10% things happening and 90% wondering and musings because the author is a woman and can't do more than that. This is like this, with Rogue who's all of a sudden depressed and full of doubts and we are reading her thoughts all the time. Turns out she's quite a boring person.
On top of that, the story barely uses these super popular X-Men, but four new kids you can't convince me that people like: a Black Argentinian who's somehow cousin of Sunspot who's Brazilian, a Japanese kid who's there to appeal to the manga fans, typical blonde rich pretty girl whose family name is Simon because that's in fact how Simone sees herself, and another Asian kid who's gonna be a lesbian so she can scissor with the rich white girl.
One of them is meant to be some sort of prophesied kid who's not gonna be any of these but rather the black girl we just found out is also a mutant.
Book deserves a 5 only because of the art. Writing is absolute shit.
Exceptional X-Men is about nothing at all. It's the gay book among the others that are also gay. This one is really gay: it has Kitty (now bi), Bobby (gay), Emma, and pronouns. I only read the first number and I ran away like the plague. Someone decided to promote the book with this:
WTF is this? The other kids are at least aesthetically pleasing, this should be fucking killed.
So, such is the state of current X-men line. There are more books, but I'm not bothering.