Post videos of people dying - Self explanatory really

Fastest Hand In The East said:
I think it's like 4 documented cases through history? And I mean including ancient Greece.
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Exposure to a rabies virus isn't 100% fatal. I wonder if the teenager who survived after developing symptoms had already overcome subclinical exposure to rabies in the past? It sounds like reckless wildlife handling wasn't unusual for her.
 
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Adolf Hulkler said:
If i ever get rabies id off myself immediately, theres no hope for survival after symptoms come.
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There was hope with the Milwaukee Protocol where they put that girl into a coma and she survived, but there have been so many failures since that initial success that the mainstream view seems to be that it's not worth trying.

grimacefetishist said:
Exposure to a rabies virus isn't 100% fatal. I wonder if the teenager who survived after developing symptoms had already overcome subclinical exposure to rabies in the past? It sounds like reckless wildlife handling wasn't unusual for her.
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Survival after onset of symptoms was unheard of until that girl. They took extreme measures to treat her but it's still a bit of a mystery why the treatment worked for her but not others. I think your theory makes the most sense, that she had developed some resistance from previous exposures that weren't symptomatic.
 
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Prester John said:
Survival after onset of symptoms was unheard of until that girl.
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That's a bit of a misconception, she wasn't the first person to survive Rabies after the onset of symptoms, she was the fifth, she was just the first not have been vaccinated beforehand. Matt Winkler, then 6, was the first to survive Rabies after symptoms back in 1970 though he had been vaccinated after the exposure

There have been at least 33 cases of survival in total, and possible 5 boarderline cases where it wasn't clear if the death was a result of Rabies or another symptom. Several years ago a list was compiled.
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Edge cases:
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Interestingly the vast majority of survivors are children with the average age being only 13.

The most interesting to me is the 36 year old in 2016 who received no vaccine, did not undergo the Milwaukee Protocol, and still lived. He reported that he had seen a tribal healer before reporting to the doctor so maybe it was really dumb luck or theres something to faith healing. Also note the girl in 2009 who received virtually no treatment but still cleared the disease, making her possibly the only case of aborted rabies ever known.

There was hope with the Milwaukee Protocol where they put that girl into a coma and she survived, but there have been so many failures since that initial success that the mainstream view seems to be that it's not worth trying.
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When tried the Milwaukee Protocol succeeds about 8% of the time it's tried, based on numbers provided by it's founder. The trouble is it costs almost a million dollars (at least at the time of it's inception) and Rabies is largely regulated to the third world where spending that much on a patient only for an 8% chance of return on investment is deemed, unfortunately, too expensive.

In total it's only known to have saved 5 people (at least as of 2020) however given that only 3 people have survived without a vaccine or the Milwaukee protocol I guess if you got rabies without a vaccine your best bet would be to get the protocol.

Sorry for the info dumb Rabies is my hyperfocused niche interest.
 
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In total it's only known to have saved 5 people (at least as of 2020) however given that only 3 people have survived without a vaccine or the Milwaukee protocol I guess if you got rabies without a vaccine your best bet would be to get the protocol.
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How many of those 5 are still alive? I seem to remember reading that some of them ended up dying within months, although you seem to have the actual case details at hand.
 
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This has been obsolete information for nearly 20 years now. Current medical treatment if symptoms start before vaccination is to put you into a medically induced coma and keep you on an IV drip while your body fights the disease, so while the survival rate may not be 100% yet, it's far from the death sentence it used to be.
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the top of the very article you linked to:

Editor’s Note (3/31/25): This article from October 2008 describes how Jeanna Giese became the first known person to recover from rabies without vaccination after she received a treatment that came to be called the Milwaukee protocol. Afterward doctors continued to experiment with this approach. But by 2015 experts determined that the approach does not work. The only rabies treatment endorsed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention includes vaccination before symptoms begin.
 
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Prester John said:
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How many of those 5 are still alive? I seem to remember reading that some of them ended up dying within months, although you seem to have the actual case details at hand.
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As far as I'm aware all of those 5 are. Keep in mind the Milwaukee protocol had been used (according to the Doctor who pioneered it) "70 times". And of those 70 times it has saved 5 people, for a success rate of just over 7%. So it's defiantly not nothing. Compared to the 'supportive care' which, when you think about the tens of thousands of cases a year, is like a fraction of a percentage. Based on the data I posted being young seems to be a key to survival, only 5 people who survived Rabies overall appear to have been 20 or older.
Prester John said:
I seem to remember reading that some of them ended up dying within months, although you seem to have the actual case details at hand.
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Yeah, the Doctor who pioneered the treatment, Dr. Rodney Willougby, is, in my unexpert opinion, (approach with caution) a reason you might remember that. He seems to have (again only my opinion) an interest in seeing his treatment succeed so he'll try to make some fringe cases as successes. Of course I'm not saying he's pushing pseudoscience or deceiving people or anything like that (I'm in no position to do so) and, I think the Milwaukee Protocol does work in some cases as we've seen, I just think he's very 'rah-rah' for it.

You'll notice in the "Edge Case" section (those who died less than a year after treatment) was a 5 year old boy who died during the treatment in '07, Willoughby tried to argue it was a success case since, in his opinion, the death was caused by the child's malnutrition when they took him in, not from the Rabies that was eviscerating his body. Heres the report for that one if you want to read it.

In truth, as far as I can tell, it's saved (at least at the time of the 2020 survey) 5 people in total, and I believe the one from 2008 was wheelchair bound as a result, though alive nonetheless.

What's much more interesting to me are the three people who were unvaccinated and survived without the treatment. More specifically I'm interested in the 36 year old from Africa who survived in 2016. As far as the list goes theres only been 5 people aged 20 or older who've survived Rabies and he was someone one of them with no vaccine and no Milwaukee Protocol. And he made a full recovery, with no neurological effects, which in itself is unusual. Heres the case file for it.

According to the report, "He resorted to treatment from a traditional herbalist who gave him the ground bark of a mahogany tree (Swietenia macrophylla) to apply to the wound he sustained". I'm in no place to give medical advice, and you should defiantly seek medical treatment if you're bit by something, but it does make me wonder if this was just a fluke or if perhaps this is something researchers should look into.

Forgive my autism, this was my special interest for a while.
 
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Chub Rub said:
Editor’s Note (3/31/25): This article from October 2008 describes how Jeanna Giese became the first known person to recover from rabies without vaccination after she received a treatment that came to be called the Milwaukee protocol. Afterward doctors continued to experiment with this approach. But by 2015 experts determined that the approach does not work. The only rabies treatment endorsed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention includes vaccination before symptoms begin.
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Aye, fair enough. Still, though, it worked at least once, that's more than any other treatment protocol for symptomatic rabies before it is known to have worked, so I have to wonder if these are the same "experts" who said that Covid was going to be literally the end of the world.
 
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Prester John said:
@Rebecca_of_Kiwi_Farm

For one of the 5 saved listed in your spreadsheet, Mateus dos Santos from 2017, I found this:
https://tntribune.com/teen-cured-of-rabies-lies-in-vegetative-state-for-3-years/

I'm not sure that he, at least, should be considered a success.
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You're right, my mistake, it's been a few years and I didn't properly examine the list, though survival in this case is delineated as surviving 1 year infection free (otherwise it'd be in the edge case section) after all everyones going to die, at some point you have to mark a line where the persons death isn't a direct result of the virus. You'll notice in the notes a couple of the 33 survivors died within a few years and many more lived vegetative. Some neurological effects are to be expected, Rabies by itself attacks the brain and if memory serves me right the Milwaukee Protocol involves placing patients into a coma.

So I guess the Milwaukee Protocols full range of success is (as of 2020): 3 full recovery, 1 with moderate sequelae, and 1 vegitative survivor (who ultimately passed away 3 years later). Though keep in mind this list is from 2020 so there may be one or two new cases that aren't reflected in this total.

I know Doctors tried to claim two more for the Protocol, the child who died Equatorial Guinea in '07, and Nelsey Gomez who died in Colombia in '08 as Milwaukee Protocol successes, even though they died, arguing the child in Guinea died as a result of unrelated malnutrition and Gomez died as a result of unrelated pneumonia, though if you ask me dead is dead and it can hardly be called a great success when the patient dies during treatment.

There was also a 58 year old women in India in 2019 who died during Protocol, with her Doctors arguing it was a result of her family taking her home against medical advice (LAMA) and that the protocol was actually working when the took her/would have saved her.


I do find it funny that I, some autist on Kiwifarms, seem to have the only complete dataset on this (at least in 2020 I did). Half the articles that talk about Jeanne Gises erronesuly call her the "only survivor" of Rabies, or falsely call her the first, or one of "only two", or one of "only five" or whatever. Even attempts by Doctors to produce datasets seem incomplete, the ones I borrowed from all seemed to miss Sarika Chawan, who seems to have made a full recovery off the Protocol, something you think Doctors would be interested in.
 
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ChompChomp said:
Can't tell if you're joking or not, but here's an excerpt from this page, which cites content from the Nuremberg Trials:



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There's also something about a kid strapped to a chair and hit in the head with a hammer at regular intervals to study traumatic injury. He eventually went nuts.

Not quite "eating brains" level of depravity, but maybe they just didn't write that part down...
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I won't argue that a lot of that nazi shit was done for the same degenerate reason the cartel crap got done, the difference here is the Nazi took this info and it's turned into modern medicine. Cartels are cruel for cruelty sake, although I don't know if the Nazi doing the same thing but recording the results for later research isn't actually worse.
If someone were to cut open my skull to pour hot coco on my brain to see if I think of Christmas, I couldn't answer if I wanted the results recorded.
 
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diroama said:
My guess above the second video above is that the girl has accused the guy who got shot of molesting her, his mother or grandmother is trying to defend him and saying she doesn't care, and the guy with the gun is a male relative of the girl. Anyone know if i'm right?
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It's a repost from way back in the thread. Someone was able to sort of understand it.

NTRMaster said:
Seems granny was trying to protect her son/nephew from getting killed by gun dude who might be the father of lil girl who doesn't appreciate whatever son/nephew did to his daughter.
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