The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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I have a question for the general audience here. How do you feel about anti-virus software in the current day and age? In the past I wouldn't have dreamed of using a Windows computer without a solid anti-virus package (not Norton, obviously). These days with Windows Defender built-in, so much better anti-malware efforts happening by ISPs, Microsoft, etc. I'm wondering if it's still something people consider critical? For a start, nearly everything I install these days I'm installing with Winget!
Brain®
Been using it for over 24 years and it hasn't let me down.

Defender is okay as a safety net but otherwise it's all about using your brain and not being a dipshit when you use your PC. In my case terminal autism also helps. I know how Windows executables work, what they can do and how to check what they're doing, and what tools I can use to do so. For example, I get some pirated software, comes with an installer and a keygen/crack. I check the installer, it's signed so it's clean, but the keygen/crack is the wildcard. So I whip up a VM, run it in there to see what it does and what files it changes, I then verify those and migrate only those to the host OS. Obviously common sense and good judgment comes into play when a cracked .exe/.dll comes out positive in VirusTotal. Is it lighting up like a Christmas tree from all vendors with consistent malware detections, or is it a handful of detections from lesser known AV engines that's some mix of "Generic/Keygen/PUA" threats?

Very roundabout and unorthodox way of dealing with software, I know, but it is effective. Knowing that you have files and registry keys, knowing where they all sit, knowing what Windows installers do and how you can mimic them by manually migrating aforementioned files and registry keys, that you can use Process Monitor to see what the executable is doing, then putting it all together and essentially installing something manually in a clean manner where you know what's going on is a useful skill. Also comes in handy when dealing with old games where you don't want to end up with dirty leftovers or something screwing up due to a 20 year wide discrepancy between what Windows used to behave and what it behaves now.
 
>fixed €42 license cost
>includes:
>lifetime updates
>unlimited devices
>backwards compatibility back to Windows 95/3.11
>if you're not willing to pay and can suffer through the nag screen it's "free"
>/oneguy/ developed it solo for over three decades
>never changed his fees to get more money
>long time community and plugin ecosystem
ahh when paid software used to actually be good and worth the money.
 
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Thanks for all replies. Seems like most people lean towards just not bothering these days with a side of 'I've decided to keep it but it's not a big deal'. I have a paid licence for one of the better ones so I'm leaning towards installing it on my new system, but I also like how few interruptions and hassles there are without it. It was nice when I was overseeing the Secret Santa and I could scan a few people's games they submitted and I do want a high level of security. I might install it and see how it goes. But things like it injecting its own layer into the javascript of any site, various pop-ups. At this point I'm not sure they don't cause me more pain than gain.

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I mean you say the brain is compatible with all O/Ss, but Mac? Is it?
 
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What? Defender rarely goes over 150MB of RAM usage on my machine. How shitty is your PC that it effects performance?
there are sometimes random issues where windows services go absolute apeshit with resources for one reason or another. good luck diagnosing why.
not the norm but it happens.
 
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Thinking of getting a new computer, but I refuse to keep using Win10 and its bullshittery. I know there are methods to make modern apps run on Win7/8.1 (VxKik it was called?) But i'm conflicted on which OS to choose. Suggestions? Obviously I'm going to dualboot it with Linux Mint.
 
Thinking of getting a new computer, but I refuse to keep using Win10 and its bullshittery. I know there are methods to make modern apps run on Win7/8.1 (VxKik it was called?) But i'm conflicted on which OS to choose. Suggestions? Obviously I'm going to dualboot it with Linux Mint.
How do the drivers work for new hardware that the maker never made a windows 7 driver for?
 
How do the drivers work for new hardware that the maker never made a windows 7 driver for?
I'd assume they work just fine, on the base level 10 and 7 are very similar, and when a program won't work on legacy versions it's usually the dev going out of their way to stop it from running. So not officially supported, but nothing stopping you from installing it. There's also Win10 Enterprise which lets you completely disable Telemetry and i think it has support past 2025, or maybe that's the LSTC version.
 
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I'd assume they work just fine, on the base level 10 and 7 are very similar, and when a program won't work on legacy versions it's usually the dev going out of their way to stop it from running. So not officially supported, but nothing stopping you from installing it. There's also Win10 Enterprise which lets you completely disable Telemetry and i think it has support past 2025, or maybe that's the LSTC version.

LTSC IoT and you're not really going to get drivers from Windows 10 working under Windows 7 well if at all. (Windows 8.1 for the most is actually quite close to Windows 7 though, you can even get Windows 7 Radeon drivers working under 8.1)

I remember hearing about sound shit being broken in Windows 10 on release so I'd imagine Microsoft has changed quite a bit if not rewritten shit for drivers for Windows 10 RTM and has likely changed things throughout its lifespan. But good luck with your Windows Sevah forevah dream.
 
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But good luck with your Windows Sevah forevah dream.
All I'm interested in is getting a Win boot running without Microsoft's bullshit. I had an old Win10 boot that stripped everything down using a batch script called something like janet or malissa, some female name but it worked like a charm. I had to remove Edge myself and Telemetry was still a pain but this time I'm completely aiming to hack off entire limbs from Win10 if I can using legacy features like services, registry, and control panel. If it wasn't for backwards compat Windows would remove them and by that extent the last userfriendly way of removing all the spyware from Win10.
 
Thinking of getting a new computer, but I refuse to keep using Win10 and its bullshittery. I know there are methods to make modern apps run on Win7/8.1 (VxKik it was called?) But i'm conflicted on which OS to choose. Suggestions? Obviously I'm going to dualboot it with Linux Mint.
VxKex-NEXT works well for Windows 7 basic stuff, it adds the most common system calls that were added post-Win7 including the high precision timer. Steam works and can run the games I have tried but I am not a modern slop enthusiast. Browsers are less likely to work, there is still a version of Firefox ESR getting security updates and some alt-browsers like RedFox are kept up to date as well.

There are some cases where getting newer stuff working isn't really possible, for example I couldn't get the newest version of Paint.NET working (it needs a newer version of the .NET Framework) and had to find a fairly old version that would actually run which is a lot harder than you'd think. Too many older software releases just are not easy to find. Some really annoying cases have entirely moved software releases to the Windows Store.
I'd assume they work just fine, on the base level 10 and 7 are very similar, and when a program won't work on legacy versions it's usually the dev going out of their way to stop it from running. So not officially supported, but nothing stopping you from installing it. There's also Win10 Enterprise which lets you completely disable Telemetry and i think it has support past 2025, or maybe that's the LSTC version.
No they do not work just fine.

The chipset drivers are the biggest issue for newer motherboards but you will also find graphics cards have not seen Windows 7 or especially 8 updates in a long time, and nvidia cards newer than Pascal work up to the 30XX series but stability and performance is not great, especially because Resizable BAR doesn't work well. Sound drivers for newer hardware increasingly are not possible to get working for Windows 7 OOB for newer hardware. Worst of all is when USB controllers are hard to get working.

How new do you want to go?

It's very easy to get Coffee Lake era hardware and a GTX 1080Ti or other Pascal era GPU working with Windows 7, that hardware is quite cheap and the performance may still be great for you.

I'm running an AMD Ryzen 9 on an X570 motherboard, there are a few minor quirks and getting started can be hard because OOB you may not have USB or Ethernet but otherwise it works quite well and that's upwards of 16 strong cores. But I'm also running that with a GTX Titan XP because I don't think it's worth going beyond Pascal. Even just finding working drivers can be a challenge, the internet is not as "forever" as you'd think... I have built up a set of exes in a folder for my hardware because I don't want to go through that again.

Getting into AM5 or equivalent Intel parts you're going to start having a lot more trouble and few people have managed to overcome them. I've heard of cases where someone got things working but it would not be easy.

The Eclipse forum is a very good resource if you want to give this a go.
 
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All I'm interested in is getting a Win boot running without Microsoft's bullshit. I had an old Win10 boot that stripped everything down using a batch script called something like janet or malissa, some female name but it worked like a charm. I had to remove Edge myself and Telemetry was still a pain but this time I'm completely aiming to hack off entire limbs from Win10 if I can using legacy features like services, registry, and control panel. If it wasn't for backwards compat Windows would remove them and by that extent the last userfriendly way of removing all the spyware from Win10.
At what point do you realize that it's less hassle to just install a set-it-and-forget-it Linux distro like Linux Mint? Will you first resort to editing system binaries in a hex editor following a guide you found in the comments section of a 20 hour YouTube video and getting the final configurations by using Google translate to ask a Polish guy on a long forgotten IRC channel?
 
But good luck with your Windows Sevah forevah dream.
I'm aware this is silly but we all know how bad modern Windows is and how it keeps getting worse right? I have a lot of older applications, utilities to do random things especially with older game consoles and whatnot, and of course games I want to keep running on real hardware.

Plus it's just a pleasant OS.

I have some backup Coffee Lake era hardware I'm going to switch to at some point but my X570 setup works well enough to still use as a daily driver.
At what point do you realize that it's less hassle to just install a set-it-and-forget-it Linux distro like Linux Mint? Will you resort to editing system binaries in a hex editor first?
I could also just use a mac? I rather like Windows the way it was.
 
At what point do you realize that it's less hassle to just install a set-it-and-forget-it Linux distro like Linux Mint? Will you first resort to editing system binaries in a hex editor following a guide you found in the comments section of a 20 hour YouTube video and getting the final configurations by using Google translate to ask a Polish guy on a long forgotten IRC channel?
At the point where vidya becomes a chore to play. I had a previous Windows 10/Mint dualboot. Mint was faster in every way except games even with Proton. For example: I had Project Zomboid running at 13 FPS on Linux while running normally on Win10. The problem is probably with the fact that I was using an nVidia GPU, but I don't really have access to a Ryzen GPU considering what I'm going for and what I have available at the moment, so I'm shit out of luck. Besides, having Windows 10 on hand for exclusive stuff like paint.net since it's way better than GIMP 3.0 if we're being honest.
 
Plus it's just a pleasant OS.
It's a joke, nerd. Windows 7 is good but getting it to work properly with modern hardware is a fever dream.

Ripping things out of Windows isn't too hard as generally Windows hasn't changed that much in user space other than getting new APIs and having programs use those new APIs instead. @Slav Power knows about some tranny remove everything script I think.
 
@Slav Power knows about some tranny remove everything script I think.
Yes it's Chris Titus' WinUtil. It basically automates uninstalling preloaded garbage and changing system settings that bring Windows up to an acceptable baseline that you'll still have to work on to really have a good experience, as Win11's UI changes will still require third party software like Windhawk or StartAllBack to be considered good. But that depends on how much of 11's UI changes you're willing to accept, setting the registry tweak to bring back the old context menu, which WinUtil has included, is already a big UI improvement.
 
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Hey guys, I have an issue. Just got a call from a company offering me fucked ass god-like benefits (80-90k salary, 4 weeks PTO, 6% 401k match) and they want to interview tomorrow. The problem is, I barely know anything about Windows System Administration. Any suggestions on what to learn?

Looking into:

Microsoft Configuration Manager
AD U&C account creation
Windows Server OS
VMware/Hyper-V
Backup/recovery such as RAID

I have some experience with AD and know about raid but would like to learn more.
 
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