Mega Rad Gun Thread

[S.C.U.D.]

/K/ used to get stuff done, then they became gay and Ukrainian. Now they are dead.This was the last attempt at a low-cost gun info and recommendation list. I kind of want to fix this since the rifle section is sparse, and Biden fucked these prices in the ear.
Anyone want to pitch in with recommendations for online stores, Rifles under $500, AR and AK info, tips and tricks, etc.View attachment 7252405

SCCY makes absolute garbage, I'd rather use my fists than one of their guns. You can buy a brand new LCP first gen for the same price and get an actually functional, reliable gun.

 

[Hodgdon H4350]

/K/ used to get stuff done, then they became gay and Ukrainian. Now they are dead.This was the last attempt at a low-cost gun info and recommendation list. I kind of want to fix this since the rifle section is sparse, and Biden fucked these prices in the ear.
Anyone want to pitch in with recommendations for online stores, Rifles under $500, AR and AK info, tips and tricks, etc.View attachment 7252405

Poorfag bolt action rifles are better and more ubiquitous than ever. On a rough ranking of cheapest to most expensive off the top of my head, it goes:
Savage Axis, very rough around the edges and allegedly has problems with corrosion but it's extremely cheap and accurate

Ruger American, similar story but with a more standard trigger instead of Savage's weird bladed trigger some people don't like, offered in all sorts of configurations for whatever you want

Savage 110, incredibly accurate for the price point, one of the grittiest roughest actions on the market

Howa 1500, the Japanese competitor to the Remington 700 that's been chugging along all these years, full factory guns are pretty much what you'd expect, you can also buy barreled actions for cheap and drop them in an aftermarket stock

Bergara B14, uses Remington 700 stock and sight mounting patterns but it's an actual overall good rifle unlike modern Remington

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

It looks like Del-Ton is finished. I guess they couldn't compete with PSA and Anderson in the budget AR market.

 

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

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It looks like Del-Ton is finished. I guess they couldn't compete with PSA and Anderson in the budget AR market.

When I look it up it says they're just down for maintenance

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

When I look it up it says they're just down for maintenance

It's been down since February and their customer service said they were no longer manufacturing AR parts.

 

[DocAwe]

It's been down since February and their customer service said they were no longer manufacturing AR parts.

Son of a bish.
I kept meaning to order one of their pencil barrel 20" uppers.
Figures.

 

[The Dude]

Aren't C96s short-recoil? The Desert Eagle's gas system might work, or you could go more cursed and make it roller-delayed or flapper locked.

Mauser's followup to the C96 was the 06/08. It had the same form factor of the C96, but was more robust, used a unique flapper delayed recoil system, and was chambered for a proprietary 9mm Mauser cartridge that was quite a bit more potent than 9mm Luger. It sadly never made it out of the prototype stage and around 100 were thought to have been made for testing, with about 75 known to still exist. Unlike most C96 examples, the 06/08 had removable magazines. I've only ever seen one for sale and I think it was going for like $50-$60k.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

Poorfag bolt action rifles are better and more ubiquitous than ever. On a rough ranking of cheapest to most expensive off the top of my head, it goes:
Savage Axis, very rough around the edges and allegedly has problems with corrosion but it's extremely cheap and accurate

Ruger American, similar story but with a more standard trigger instead of Savage's weird bladed trigger some people don't like, offered in all sorts of configurations for whatever you want

Savage 110, incredibly accurate for the price point, one of the grittiest roughest actions on the market

Howa 1500, the Japanese competitor to the Remington 700 that's been chugging along all these years, full factory guns are pretty much what you'd expect, you can also buy barreled actions for cheap and drop them in an aftermarket stock

Bergara B14, uses Remington 700 stock and sight mounting patterns but it's an actual overall good rifle unlike modern Remington

The Howa 1500 is pretty fucking legit, even if barreled actions are only ~$400-500. My .308 is maybe my favorite range toy at the moment.

 

[MrB]

/K/ used to get stuff done, then they became gay and Ukrainian. Now they are dead.This was the last attempt at a low-cost gun info and recommendation list. I kind of want to fix this since the rifle section is sparse, and Biden fucked these prices in the ear.
Anyone want to pitch in with recommendations for online stores, Rifles under $500, AR and AK info, tips and tricks, etc.View attachment 7252405

I almost got baited into bitching about this infographic until I noticed the filename lmao

Wikiarms.com and gun.deals searching by SKUs you want is all you need for low-cost stuff. That or hunt for police trade-ins.

Black powder for felons/junkies is absolutely meme-tier and I'm saying that as a huge muzzleloading fan. Even if they're not federally regulated a bunch of states have laws on the books considering loaded muzzleloaders to be firearms so you'd get busted for possession anyway.

 

[crab fucker]

/K/ used to get stuff done, then they became gay and Ukrainian. Now they are dead.This was the last attempt at a low-cost gun info and recommendation list. I kind of want to fix this since the rifle section is sparse, and Biden fucked these prices in the ear.
Anyone want to pitch in with recommendations for online stores, Rifles under $500, AR and AK info, tips and tricks, etc.View attachment 7252405

I'd be all for you making a newer version. I always loved all the infographics and other stuff on k before it went downhill.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

I'd be all for you making a newer version. I always loved all the infographics and other stuff on k before it went downhill.

Real discussions and content creation are illegal on 4chan now.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Poorfag bolt action rifles are better and more ubiquitous than ever. On a rough ranking of cheapest to most expensive off the top of my head, it goes:
Savage Axis, very rough around the edges and allegedly has problems with corrosion but it's extremely cheap and accurate

Ruger American, similar story but with a more standard trigger instead of Savage's weird bladed trigger some people don't like, offered in all sorts of configurations for whatever you want

Savage 110, incredibly accurate for the price point, one of the grittiest roughest actions on the market

Howa 1500, the Japanese competitor to the Remington 700 that's been chugging along all these years, full factory guns are pretty much what you'd expect, you can also buy barreled actions for cheap and drop them in an aftermarket stock

Bergara B14, uses Remington 700 stock and sight mounting patterns but it's an actual overall good rifle unlike modern Remington

Winchester Model 70 runs a bit more than the Bergara depending on the SKU, but you get the best variant of the Mauser action ever (imo). if you jump for the super grade you get some nice wood too and nice blueing. Made in belgium, finished in Portugal.

Oh, and the current Model 70 is made the exact same way the Pre-64 model 70s were. no more push feed. there is no more a classic America hunting rifle than a model 70 in .30-06 or .270 WCF besides the Winchester 94 in 30-30.



in other news, Colt is now making the Anaconda in .45 colt. MSRP 1,699. should be hitting the distributors soon. 4, 6 and 8 inch barrel options. also new tidbit: the new anaconda was designed as a .454 so expect that variant to come down the pipe at some point. A Colt Kodiak in .454 would be a awesome bear gun. this also means the .45 colt should handle the Ruger/TC contender +P loads just fine. I'm definitely a buyer on this one. was going to get a Anaconda .44 but there isn't a point now. I'm already heavily invested in .45 as my main woods sidearm is a Ruger Blackhawk .45

Royal Blue Pythons are also coming in 2 1/2 inch, 3 1/2 inch and 8 inch as well. no ETA on that though but it shouldn't be too long.

 

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

On that list recommendation the things I'd add/remove is get rid of SCCY like another user stated, remove highpoint as they're not as reliable as the Internet wants you to think; I'd add both the Ruger RXM and Arex Delta 2 pistols, the "M" which is their compact can be had for $225 right now and reviews say it's very reliable.

On the AR15 front, remove ATI and Bear Creek, those are known to be dogshit with some of the worst experiences rolling the dice on receiving a functioning gun. For true poor shit even Anderson has a better reputation than those two for a similar ~$350-$400 price tag, but it still also can have lots of fun QC problems. I'd fundamentally disagree with the conclusion of the gaming PC comparison from the chart, don't buy a PC or an AR15 where you know, or will likely need to, swap parts as that defeats the purpose of spending as little as possible and still getting a good gun. At 350-500 bucks you can get a good one, but it's a gamble. For instance, SOTAR just did his first run of the secret shoppers series on the entry Ruger AR15s and they only run $600ish but on average needed another 300 in parts plus the labor or tools to change those parts out (let alone the potential difficulty to diagnose problems as a complete noob) adds another 150 to 300 which about doubles the cost of the gun. It makes much more sense to just buy the better piece of equipment to more likely assure you'll get a functional item. And that was for Rugers which have a must better reputation than the brands listed in that chart. It is in part the no ragrats edition, don't make a poorfag have to shell out the price of the gun again to make it up to snuff.

It's [current year] that poorfag chart needs optics recommendations for the pistols and carbines too.

 

[Club Sandwich]

SOTAR just did his first run of the secret shoppers series on the entry Ruger AR15s and they only run $600ish but on average needed another 300 in parts plus the labor or tools to change those parts out (let alone the potential difficulty to diagnose problems as a complete noob) adds another 150 to 300 which about doubles the cost of the gun.

after watching this, i sort of disagree with about half the "problems" he mentioned. at this price bracket, these are not "go-to-war" guns. they are sporter carbines that can do some limited ranch/home defense duty in a pinch. the magazine release being threaded an extra turn but otherwise functional is both easy to fix and not really a problem. likewise stiff takedown pins or a sticky mag catch on a new unfired rifle is kind of a meh issue. there is some legit concern with the receiver extension not fully turned to positively engage the buffer retaining pin and the lack of a castle nut staking is also a concern if the gun will see repeated duty use since i've had decades of experience of them eventually walking loose with carry wear. that being said a lot of the issues are "tighten" or "loosen" and aren't really issues for a sporter carbine.

as mentioned earlier, i generally consider the $700ish mark to be about as cheap as reasonable for a retail AR-15. much cheaper and i'm suspicious of parts quality or assembly quality, much more expensive and imho the balance starts tilting to gucci parts, rollmark, included accessories, or the like.

 

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

after watching this, i sort of disagree with about half the "problems" he mentioned. at this price bracket, these are not "go-to-war" guns. they are sporter carbines that can do some limited ranch/home defense duty in a pinch. the magazine release being threaded an extra turn but otherwise functional is both easy to fix and not really a problem. likewise stiff takedown pins or a sticky mag catch on a new unfired rifle is kind of a meh issue. there is some legit concern with the receiver extension not fully turned to positively engage the buffer retaining pin and the lack of a castle nut staking is also a concern if the gun will see repeated duty use since i've had decades of experience of them eventually walking loose with carry wear. that being said a lot of the issues are "tighten" or "loosen" and aren't really issues for a sporter carbine.

I agree with ya, I mostly included that bit as an example for the conclusion of don't make a poorfag run into regrets. Things like a bcg replacement is easy stuff, but a poorfag may sweat 90-150 bucks for a new one when his is toast out the box and they should've likely have been advised to instead save a few hundred extra over however long to buy a better gun. Especially as this is at least half-heartedly a chart for a self defense carbine, potentially during civil unrest.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Especially as this is at least half-heartedly a chart for a self defense carbine, potentially during civil unrest.

a gun (or car) you can put hands on and personally inspect, and if you have a knowledgeable buddy also ask them to inspect, and agree upon will always be useful for finding pawn shop gold or consignment shelf treasure. in my neck of the woods about the only few AR-15s that i would feel okay buying without personal inspect would be Colt LE 6920/6940 models, Windham Weaponry/Bushmaster R series rifles, Rock River LAR-15 series, or various models from BCM, DD, LWRC, Armalite, LMT, and a few others. the LE6940 is a hair over $1k and worth it imho, with an alternate being the R14 or XM4 WW/BM rifles, et c.

for under $1k unit cost i'm not sure there's much of anything i would buy off the shelf for duty use that isn't an upper on an existing lower. i guess nabbing a BCM on sale is possible, or a used LE6920 somewhere, not sure if i'd count those since they wouldn't be new rifles. really the bar is lower for sporter carbines with lighter duty schedules and a more general variety of uses than something that's riding around patrol vehicles or banging around in a stryker all day and humped over hill and dale by a grunt. a sporter can to target shooting, get various caliber conversions for cheap shooting, run weird ammo combos or re-manufactured ammo, deal with a less than ideal maintenance schedule, have to hit coyotes on a farm or deal with some home invaders after your pain meds.

because of that a .223 sporter rifle, to meet both budget and use-cases, shouldn't be overly expensive and specialized, and likewise has to be high quality enough to deal with a lot of weird situations and corner cases. the issues highlighted in the SAR video about Ruger are mostly a non-issue to me with that in mind as it's a good rifle for the money asked and the fixes are a wrench and youtube video away from being fixed. if anything this should be a wake up call for Ruger to improve their assembly processes, and it's also good that it's nothing like missing gas key staking or bad chamber sizing or loctite being used during assembly.

heck, some guy that buys that rifle is also equally likely to never touch it more than a few times a year much less fire it in anger. does that mean it should be a cheap POS for looks? no, it means that spending money on a KAC SR-15 is wasted on that guy and better spent on a handgun and ammo that will encourage better preparation and more putting rounds down range. that latter bit for "civil unrest" may be more useful than a $2k AR or hand-wringing over a castle nut staking.

just my $0.02.

 

[Bassomatic]

Real discussions and content creation are illegal on 4chan now.

The ukraine war was the final death blow more so than the trannies, trip fags and jannie scum. I've used it for years but right after it became a bot net during Crimea boogaloo it just became worthless.

I miss it. So much fun, so many shit posts, so many memes.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

The ukraine war was the final death blow more so than the trannies, trip fags and jannie scum. I've used it for years but right after it became a bot net during Crimea boogaloo it just became worthless.

I miss it. So much fun, so many shit posts, so many memes.

The true death of it was those of us getting older and managing to afford the firearms we talked about and shoot.

 

[crab fucker]

The ukraine war was the final death blow more so than the trannies, trip fags and jannie scum. I've used it for years but right after it became a bot net during Crimea boogaloo it just became worthless.

I miss it. So much fun, so many shit posts, so many memes.

Having the filters I set up stop 14 Ukraine threads on average was still crazy to me. They used to just make one giant sticky thread and call it a day instead of letting retards clog up the entire board.

 

[Polock]

I haven't seen anything posted about this yet so I guess I'll share it here

Declassified Strategic Implementation Plan for Countering Domestic Terrorism from the Biden Administration

Classified plans for gun control shrouded under the convenient blanket of "muh terrorism" is the reason why I'm posting in here, but in totality its pretty horrifying (but not surprising) at how much the government was flagging as behavior at risk of terroristic activity.

Oh yeah and of course, the banks were involved too.