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Who is the best Catholic apologist alive today?

  • Bishop Robert Barron

    Votes: 42 47.7%
  • Fr. Mike Schmitz

    Votes: 39 44.3%
  • Trent Horn

    Votes: 23 26.1%
  • Jimmy Akin

    Votes: 14 15.9%
  • Joe Heschmeyer

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Matt Fradd

    Votes: 6 6.8%
  • Scott Hahn

    Votes: 13 14.8%
  • Brayden Cook - TheCatechumen

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Taylor Marshall

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Christian Fagner

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • James White

    Votes: 7 8.0%

  • Total voters
    88
You didn't show me any evidence at all!
I linked an article, retard.

And you keep moving goal posts. First you wanted the Church to just stop, now you want the Church to provide economic welfare. Even if that was something the Church would do, how is it supposed to fund an economic welfare program when donations are down because of oppressively high taxes?
 
ALL I WANT IS FOR THE CHURCH TO FUCKING STOP!

The pope has been promoting mass immigration for years now! Massive Catholic NGOs aid illegals in entering my nation! How the fuck is this complicated? The state has to undo the damage YOUR CHURCH DID. But your Church is entirely capable of STAYING OUT OF IT!

Explain to me in detail how the Church is incapable of providing the service of "just fucking stopping."
You act as if the Catholics are solely responsible for immigration. They are not. The state has not enforced its laws. The Churches, as in all, have continued to enforce their own.

You act as if Catholics do not exist in many of these immigrants/ illegals home countries. They do, and are capable of providing aid there. The wave of illegals is driven by the state not enforcing its laws and illegals wanting economic enrichment.
 
Oh so you send prayers when white girls get rapped but supplies and aid when the rapists need help. Gotcha.
Help is clearly only for foreigners. You help foreigners, they hurt naitves, and you say that the state should be the one helping naitives
How many /pol/-supplied redpills did you ingest? Do you know that this kind of thing happens unfortunately every day and not to just white people? Why do you have this idea that only white people suffer and that everyone else everywhere else is getting along fine? The Church works around the world to help, including in Europe. I know that, even in my own community, I work with a group that helps orphans and dirt-poor people get financial help and food to sustain themselves. Try logging off and do something for your own community instead of complaining about why someone else isn’t doing it while fantasizing about how the world is out to get specifically white people. That’s not healthy.

You and the state are both importing foreigners. No one is helping us. You are causing the problem and then washing your hands of it.
The Church aims to help those in need, regardless of race and culture. There’s no hidden agenda to replace white people (whatever you believe that actually means). There’s no push from the Church to conduct a mass migration from the middle east and the southern Americas into anglo countries.

You have a middle schooler's understanding of helping people. You only want to help the poor brown people, never your own.
Can’t speak for @Preacher ✝ but I’ve helped all kinds. You seem to only think that you should help no one but “your own,” which is juvenile thinking and antithetical to the Gospel to begin with. What if non-European Christians all thought this way and only worked to help their particular cultural/ethnic brothers? The world you currently posit would definitely become a reality and white people would be truly marginalized over time.

I think your hyper-fixation on white people is unhealthy and making you open to the things that cause people to accuse you of being a Nazi for saying. Your mindset is not much different than some of the Apostles in the early days, where many of them believed that Jesus came to save Jews only or that Gentiles needed to adopt Jewish laws to follow Christ but still could not be considered on the level of a Jew. Every one of them that thought this way, including St. Peter, were rebuked and shown that the Church was universal (catholic), and not just for them. Imbibing from the typical /pol/ worldview will not lead you to the fullness of the Gospel.
 
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@Großmann I can't properly @ you because of that weird character in your name.

I know damn well that the rest of the world suffers. Don't speak to me like I'm a child. The difference is that white nations were doing pretty well. We had some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Our homes were peaceful. We had figured out how to make relatively safe communities. You, with your pathological altruism, have helped to ruin that. There was a community that was doing ok, and you ruined it. Now white nations need more help than ever, again. By importing these people you haven't helped anyone, you've just created two communities that are suffering.

The purpose of a thing is what it does. Your efforts are replacing white people, therefore their purpose is to replace us.

When did I ever say we should only help whites? You can help them just fine where they are. Set up your NGOs in Africa, South America, and the Middle East. This BS excuse of "well taxes went up and donations went down so the only thing we can do is import them and help them here" is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. It's such an obvious way to excuse vile behavior.

My focus is on whites because NO ONE is helping them. Almost every charitable effort is uses the money whites earn to help someone else. I come along, decide I want to set my focus on the most hated people in the world, and suddenly everyone gets mad. You can set up a charity for Africans, or Arabs, or South Americans, and everyone loves you. Just don't help whites specifically.

@WelperHelper99 Great, use the Catholics there to help the people there. Obviously the state is the main problem, but as I have said multiple times, Catholic NGOs are second only to Jewish NGOs in terms of providing aid to illegal aliens entering my nation. Your Church is literally just aiding criminals. And your pope supported them opening the flood gates for years, so stop acting like you have nothing to do with this.

I linked an article, retard.

And you keep moving goal posts. First you wanted the Church to just stop, now you want the Church to provide economic welfare. Even if that was something the Church would do, how is it supposed to fund an economic welfare program when donations are down because of oppressively high taxes?
And the excerpt you posted was completely irrelevant. Yes I want the Church to just stop. But if you HAVE to import them, then it would by hypocritical of you to not demand the Church provide financial aid to the natives it's effort hurts. What is your deal here? Are you willing to do anything to help anyone, except help people deal with the damage your actions cause? Or is it just that, it's ok if white people have to suffer and lose their safe, prosperous homes in order to help a world full of people that hate them?

You have imported MASSIVE problems into our homes, and when they start raping, murdering, and suppressing wages, your response is "Wow, not my fault, hope the state fixes this."
 
@WelperHelper99 Great, use the Catholics there to help the people there.
They do. The people leave anyway.
Obviously the state is the main problem, but as I have said multiple times, Catholic NGOs are second only to Jewish NGOs in terms of providing aid to illegal aliens entering my nation.
the system is blind and does not stop giving because the beggar is the wrong skin color. Questions about legality are not asked when handing out food.
Your Church is literally just aiding criminals. And your pope supported them opening the flood gates for years, so stop acting like you have nothing to do with this
First, see above. Second I'm not Catholic. I'm Mormon. That said I've worked with Catholics in humanitarian efforts. I gave up two years of my life to do so. Everything you say is literally not how the system works nor should it. It is better a church and out aid than the state. The state should address the root issue as to why the aid is needed.
 
@Großmann I can't properly @ you because of that weird character in your name.
It’s an eszett, a type of S used in German.

I know damn well that the rest of the world suffers. Don't speak to me like I'm a child. The difference is that white nations were doing pretty well. We had some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Our homes were peaceful. We had figured out how to make relatively safe communities. You, with your pathological altruism, have helped to ruin that. There was a community that was doing ok, and you ruined it. Now white nations need more help than ever, again. By importing these people you haven't helped anyone, you've just created two communities that are suffering.
Many countries around the world have done “well” and were doing well before disaster or crisis struck. Europe does not have a monopoly on suffering. I do not see the problem racially; it is a problem stemming from the sinful nature of Man. Even within homogeneous white communities, evil proliferated in the form of ethnic discrimination against one another, warfare (something that is inexorably tied to European history), forced colonization of non-European lands, etc. If we play this game, then most of the world would have a rightful bone to pick against Europeans/white people. In fact, there are many groups out there that hold this perspective and act on it. Seeing the problem through this lens just causes a vicious cycle of blame and resentment.

Now, why do you continue to conflate policies enacted by governments with the Church? The Church is not enacting the mass migration of non-whites into white countries. The Church’s position is to help anyone who is suffering, whether it is doing so where those people are or doing it when they arrive in a white country as refugees. The disposition of those people is not up to the Church. All the Church asks of deportation is that it is done in a way that minimizes the suffering of the deportee.

The purpose of a thing is what it does. Your efforts are replacing white people, therefore their purpose is to replace us.
This is flawed logic. Your posts are annoying to most in this thread. Does it therefore mean that your purpose is to be annoying? Regardless, I’m not seeing the thru line on helping migrants and “replacing” white people.

When did I ever say we should only help whites? You can help them just fine where they are. Set up your NGOs in Africa, South America, and the Middle East. This BS excuse of "well taxes went up and donations went down so the only thing we can do is import them and help them here" is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. It's such an obvious way to excuse vile behavior.
The Church is in all of these places and helps there. The problem is that the political actions of nations has been causing the mass displacement of many of these people you’re complaining about. No one is talking about using the state to do charity work. You need to drop this weird strawman you keep setting up.

My focus is on whites because NO ONE is helping them. Almost every charitable effort is uses the money whites earn to help someone else. I come along, decide I want to set my focus on the most hated people in the world, and suddenly everyone gets mad. You can set up a charity for Africans, or Arabs, or South Americans, and everyone loves you. Just don't help whites specifically.
This is patently false and I don’t even understand why you are pushing this narrative. The Church is deeply embedded into Europe, America, and Australia. Charities outside of the Church also litter the Anglo-european landscape. All of these countries have extensive welfare systems that white people benefit from. It’s absurd that you ignore this. It’s also absurd that you are continuing to buy into the idea that the world is against white people. No one is angry at charities, Church activity, and welfare benefiting white people.

But again, if you really care, you should be spending your energy getting involved in your community and not doing what bluesky lefties do and complaining on the internet about how “someone (other than them)” should solve their problems.
 
If we play this game, then most of the world would have a rightful bone to pick against Europeans/white people.
I have no idea how to fix this white guilt problem we seem to have. You've bought into the propaganda. Relative to the rest of the world, our people have been possibly the most peaceful and least cruel. You have no idea what the rest of the world has done.
Your posts are annoying to most in this thread. Does it therefore mean that your purpose is to be annoying?
I would like to make you feel uncomfortable with what you have done, yes.
The problem is that the political actions of nations has been causing the mass displacement of many of these people you’re complaining about.
And the Church is helping to displace them right into my homeland.
But again, if you really care, you should be spending your energy getting involved in your community and not doing what bluesky lefties do and complaining on the internet about how “someone (other than them)” should solve their problems.
You don't know me, lmao. You have no idea what I do for my people. I do my part, I just don't brag about it on here because 1, I don't need to, and 2, there are serious privacy concerns.

Now, once again, You have imported MASSIVE problems into our homes, and when they start raping, murdering, and suppressing wages, your response is "Wow, not my fault, hope the state fixes this." It is obvious that you don't care about whites because you happily sacrifice our futures for the futures of foreigners, and then blame us for it by telling us to just vote harder. As if that works.
 
Now, once again, You have imported MASSIVE problems into our homes, and when they start raping, murdering, and suppressing wages, your response is "Wow, not my fault, hope the state fixes this." It is obvious that you don't care about whites because you happily sacrifice our futures for the futures of foreigners, and then blame us for it by telling us to just vote harder. As if that works.
It was me, I personally imported 20 trillion darkies into your home town and I would fucking do it again, and I’ll keep doing it because of how annoying you are in this thread.

In fact I’m going to go on Etsy.com and put in an order for a crate full of pajeets right to your hometown because you are acting like one.
 
It was me, I personally imported 20 trillion darkies into your home town and I would fucking do it again, and I’ll keep doing it because of how annoying you are in this thread.

In fact I’m going to go on Etsy.com and put in an order for a crate full of pajeets right to your hometown because you are acting like one.
"I will not be held accountable for the things I did and supported."

FTFY
 
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@French Dip Post hand to confirm white before further engagement will be given to you by fellow Kiwis. Your posts smell suspiciously of beans. Whiteness is not a club you can join.
Hey, now! I may not be white, but I've got a seat on the council.
Oh, well I'm glad you're finally owning up to it. Because you killed these girls.
I heard they were shitty kids. They wouldn't eat their greens, didn't go to bed at bedtime, and threw fits in the check-out aisle.
 
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