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Should be a wild four years.

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Can you find another island surrounded by freezing water in US control?
That's completely irrelevant. I don't understand what this has to do with anything other than some weird noir prison vibe fetish from the 1950's. Prisons are hot / cold and terrible regardless of where they are in the US.


If a new facility can be built, then great, but how long will that take to build?
New prefab concrete prisons are stupidly simple to construct by comparison. And there's no shortage of useless desert less than 60km to the east near Altamont which is equally inhospitable if putting a prison in an inhospitable place is the goal.
 
And they really can't survive without doing the selling of shit overseas. They're fatally dependent on energy imports, if they kill their export market by raising up their domestic market, then the 'Chinese economic miracle' will collapse. In the long term, they have domestic reserves they could develop, and could theoretically do the same coal to gas conversions that much of the western world undertook. Problem is, you can't really develop energy resources very fast when you're in a massive energy crisis, and you don't have much of a chance for 'long term' planning when your under massive unrest from what would be a return to third world status for even the first tier cities.
Analogies that reference western models don’t make sense. China is essentially a fascist economy on war footing.

They make thin margins from exporting shit quality shit in order to build artificial islands in the South China Sea to fuck with Taiwan and the Philippines.

They send Chinese people to do the belt and road projects so that a: they piss off belt and road client countries by not providing work and b: nobody will rat themselves out for subpar quality

Like a fucking animal puffing it’s fur out to look bigger than it is, they’ve been building Potemkin everything all around the world, and so much money accrues in the pockets of the people it passes through that they fucked Canada’s housing market to death trying to stash their plunder outside of the reach of clawbacks

But like, still, very fucking few Chinese people can afford the foreign import cars that they prefer, and the infrastructure is so heavily electric because they never had the organic growth to build a sufficient system of gas stations

The only commercially viable combustion engine ever built by China was a two stroke for motorcycles.
 
Which he shouldn't. I'm glad he won over Harris but he better not fuck up and hand them a win in four years because they're going to go ape shit with their own executive orders next time.
You either get the flawed orange man who actually cares, but puts out mean tweets and shower thoughts or the radical leftist who wants to chop your son's dick off and put you in jail when you say no.

I don't know why this is the dichotomy we're stuck with, but it is.
 
That's completely irrelevant. I don't understand what this has to do with anything other than some weird noir prison vibe fetish from the 1950's. Prisons are hot / cold and terrible regardless of where they are in the US.



New prefab concrete prisons are stupidly simple to construct by comparison. And there's no shortage of useless desert less than 60km to the east near Altamont which is equally inhospitable if putting a prison in an inhospitable place is the goal.
Because you toss them in there and they can't get out. They try to escape, they die in the ocean. It's the point of a prison island. We already have too few prisons for our prisoners. Recomissioning one is faster than building new
 
Which he shouldn't. I'm glad he won over Harris but he better not fuck up and hand them a win in four years because they're going to go ape shit with their own executive orders next time.
They would do that no matter what he did.

Also, people vote based off of their real world experience, not off of a 24 hour news cycle from three years ago.
 
Let me propose Government Island between Portland and Vancouver WA in the Columbia River.
It's not that it's all that far from land, but if you escape then you end up in Portland, and I'm pretty sure that would deter people from even considering escape.
 
They try to escape, they die in the ocean.
Unless the intent is to house nuclear tier level prisoners only, I don't see how this is worth the cost. Prisons are already extremely unlikely to allow escapes. There's over 1.2 million prisoners in the country and on average there's about 2000 annual reported escapes, or about 0.1%. And most are recaptured fairly quickly.

Recomissioning one is faster than building new

X to doubt here. You said it yourself:

You're going to need a lot of money to do that. The electrical systems alone are going to be a nightmare. All the wiring runs through rock. And it needs overhaul, not just for safety, but to handle increased load from cameras, computers, all this modern shit that didn't exist 100+ years ago.
You'll need to find stone mason contractors with specialized skills in working with archaic masonry and architecture, plumbing contractors, electrical contractors, security systems contractors, HVAC contractors all willing to work in that environment and on that structure which is filled with unknowns and curveballs that could completely derail the project for months/years while engineering studies are done.

Whereas prefab concrete facilities can go up in a matter of months, all master planned with plug and play systems.

The only reason to rebuild Alcatraz is the vibes and optics for an ego shot.
 
You either get the flawed orange man who actually cares, but puts out mean tweets and shower thoughts or the radical leftist who wants to chop your son's dick off and put you in jail when you say no.

I don't know why this is the dichotomy we're stuck with, but it is.
America is a Greek Comedy. The characters have depth, emotions, yet once and a while, silliness happens amongst the tragedy
 
Unless the intent is to house nuclear tier level prisoners only, I don't see how this is worth the cost. Prisons are already extremely unlikely to allow escapes. There's over 1.2 million prisoners in the country and on average there's about 2000 annual reported escapes, or about 0.1%. And most are recaptured fairly quickly.
2000 is too much. And yes, a nuclear supermax sounds great.

You'll need to find stone mason contractors with specialized skills in working with archaic masonry and architecture, plumbing contractors, electrical contractors, security systems contractors, HVAC contractors all willing to work in that environment and on that structure which is filled with unknowns and curveballs that could completely derail the project for months/years while engineering studies are done.

Whereas prefab concrete facilities can go up in a matter of months, all master planned with plug and play systems.

The only reason to rebuild Alcatraz is the vibes and optics for an ego shot.
Sounds like a great way to boost the economy. All those jobs exist btw. People work on old buildings all the time. Its just costly.
 
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