Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

Her mother was certainly fully on board. Here is her announcement of her daughter’s death, which seems rather self referenced with lots of “I” talk. Saying she wishes she died with her, and ignoring the fact she has another daughter. It makes me wonder if being ill was a way for Charlise to ensure her mother’s attention was 100% on her.
This is definitely a case of the mother getting as much out of the munching as the daughter. I think the positive attention these illnesses got Charlie from her mom turbo fueled her munching. Mom was happy to put the pedal to the metal. Charlie’s munching was totally dependent on mom’s very active help and participation.

(It reminds of Reagan? The psychotic drug addict in NY that who had mom’s enthusiastic participation for years until the psychiatric disorder became to obvious for successful munching. This pair was literally evicted from hospitals, out of state hospitals mom would drive her to because the local ones were done with her BS. She’s featured in the new Complicated documentary.)


I can't get over how differently this could have gone if mom listened to any of the local doctors who warned them and there will be more times this one admits their local hospital system knows she's faking and won't help her anymor.
Any idea what Charlie’s parents do?

I’m always curious about the private pay munchies do. With Medicaid, and munchies in public healthcare systems, it’s a game of what they convince the bureaucrats to approve. It’s different game when they are convincing parents to private pay this insanity. I’m assuming they had to pay out of pocket for that “spinal fusion” BS, but once she got her spine fucked with it was game on for all kinds of munchie games. After that other doctors have to pay more attention because now you’re a zipper head.

Munching is a very expensive, complex doctor assisted suicide. The quacks who indulge these obviously mentally ill girls are appalling and evil. It’s at least heartening to know that all the local doctors in SC said no and recognized she was a headcase. Also a little surprising since Charleston, SC certainly has doctors eagerly indulging in the zebra munchie stuff.

She would have never been able to achieve her speed run to death without her mom’s enthusiastic cooperation and some greedy predatory doctors that are happy to take their cash.

In crazy mom’s mind Charlie’s death is now the ultimate proof she really was sick.

It’s like pottery, it rhymes…
We really need to start an education campaign in figure skating circles. ‘Once your daughter washes out and doesn’t hit the Olympics, here are the signs to watch for.’
What really amazes me is that you have to be tough and resilient to be a competitive ice skater. You get hurt on that ice and have to get up and do it again. It also requires a level of discipline and focus (which eventually gets adapted to ED and munching)

I’m assuming their history as an ice skater gets them taken more seriously at first by doctors and parents. In the past these girls would have downplayed injuries and pain, so they wouldn’t be kept off the ice.

I hope ED are being flagged for munching, it’s almost like a prerequisite.

I think as the harder realities of competitive ice skating (or just adulthood) hit they get deeper into the ED behaviors as a maladjusted cope. When the ED (or other issues) sideline them from ice skating (or ballet or gymnastics) they have a huge void in their life and loss of identity. The girls still have an intense need for attention and validation so being the sickest girl fills the void and creates a new identity - and they are very competitive in their new field.
 
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What really amazes me is that you have to be tough and resilient to be a competitive ice skater. You get hurt on that ice and have to get up and do it again. It also requires a level of discipline and focus (which eventually gets adapted to ED and munching)
It’s this building your entire identity on a single thing; you don’t ‘do’ the ice skating you ‘are’ an ice princess. When you don’t meet the top standard, what do you do?
I think to a degree maybe we all go through this; you have your dreams and there’s a point you look back and think well man, I never got that fields medal did I? What was the point ? If you’re someone who has other stuff going on in life, a career, even a shitty one, or kids or a house to do up, maybe you have other focuses, but when you’ve trained at that intensity failure needs an explanation. For most of us the explanation is that you were ok at what you did but the standard to meet the very top is crazy and ok, you have x y and z so it’s not all bad. But if you’re failing out of something like that there’s nothing else. What’s your excuse?
It’s almost like a midlife crisis - failure to achieve what you thought would be meaningful in life. And instead of a middle aged person with a bit of wisdom behind them it’s a teenage girl or young woman who hasn’t had the life experience to temper it.
I can see why they seize on it. It’s a coping mechanism to avoid confronting the vacancy at the core, failure etc. And you’re right the have stamina, and that’s a really bad combination, because they have the personality type to do things to extremes
It’s such a fascinating pathology. I am someone who is a perfectionist and VERY hard on myself and I think that’s why I find them so interesting.
Unlike them, I never built my personality core on a physical. If you’ve done that, your excuse has to be physical I think as well. You didn’t make the Olympics because your body was afflicted by outside causes, not because your body wasn’t good enough, or you didn’t train hard enough.
I wonder how much maladaptive behaviour comes from similar things?
 
Another one has gone to that great surgical consult in the sky and while I intended to just do a death announcement and a summary of what happened, I got sucked in and did a very extensive postmortem instead.
Only learned about this one in the days after she died. Immediately clocked the cancer cosplay.

Her legacy is the surge of TikTok sickfluencers making somber posts about how hEDS can actually be fatal if not treated "properly". I haven't been taking screenshots but if I come across anymore of her friends lamenting on the terminal nature of hEDS I'll make sure to follow up with screenshots.
 
I think to a degree maybe we all go through this; you have your dreams and there’s a point you look back and think well man, I never got that fields medal did I? What was the point ?
One of the kindest things anyone ever did for me was sit me down in undergrad and tell me my current goal was unrealistic, but here are other things you are very good at. Rather than let me waste more time and money banging my head against the wall I was given an immediate alternative and a path to get there.

For as much as I joke, I do have sympathy for these girls who had EVERY egg in one fragile basket, and especially the ones who also had to contend with covid like Charlise did. Right when she'd have her make-or-break competitions and auditions the world shuts down. No more rink time, no more chances to prove herself, the dream ends in one fell swoop and she can't even do anything to distract herself from the pain of her teen life collapsing.
 
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Re: Charlise

This is the most meaningless detail, but wth does one do with piles and piles of those crochet animals? It's like the teddy bear sign times a thousand.
She was selling them on Etsy to try to get a service dog. She sold out every time she restocked even though she charged $60-80 each, but then decided she was too sick to keep crocheting and thankfully gave up on the dog. She also hoarded a ton of her favorites on the top bunk of her bed.
 
Agree, as much as I despise these girls, my true & honest hate goes to the quacks that mangle their perfectly normal bodies. For the younger ones, I also want to roundkick the parents (moms) in the head.

About the "mental help", though, I don't know. They don't suffer from conditions that are easily fixed, and they most certainly can't be fixed with pharmaceuticals. Mostly I think they need to have something pro-social to do in life, like school, work, sports - hell,

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The older I get, the more I believe that saying touch grass, join a club, go to church, find your "people" etc is the best advice for everyone. I also believe that we've made kids focus too much on their feelings. Sometimes, the correct answer is suck it up. Sometimes you will experience physical and mental things you don't like and that is ok and doesn't need to be dwelt on. I teach a combat sport and did so during COVID (relevant only that I deal with athletically gifted and focused teens and adults--many I have taught for 5+ years). We were only fully closed a few months, but the deterioration I saw in the well being in almost all of the kids was significant. It was greatest in the kids whose parents were clearly struggling with the sudden 24/7 companionship of their spouses and kids. I wonder if the bubble of her immediate family bred this level of insanity and support from mom. Like, going out and focusing on getting the daughter treatment became her break from reality. I also sometimes wonder if the supportive mothers like this one use a kid's illness to keep a mate from leaving. It's like band-aid babies...only the mom is too old to want to have another.

ETA: Where can I watch the Complicated documentary? I can only find the trailer.
 
I teach a combat sport and did so during COVID (relevant only that I deal with athletically gifted and focused teens and adults--many I have taught for 5+ years). We were only fully closed a few months, but the deterioration I saw in the well being in almost all of the kids was significant.
Truth. The pandemic was amazingly shit for teenagers. Even the healthy ones started developing mental illness-type behaviours after a few months of being online constantly.

It's criminal that even though we knew within weeks it was the boomers and superfats at risk, that we continued to require otherwise healthy fifteen-year-olds to hole up in their bedrooms reading Tumblr.
 
I'd been watching Charlise for awhile. She and one other I keep an eye on have been racing toward the grave. I've never had the impression that mom is very bright (her daughter certainly wasn't) and have wondered if that played into her apparent gullibility.

I'd missed the detail about her going to online school, and that can't have helped . . . anything. It's really interesting to see all the times she and her family were told about her obvious eating disorder and chose to ignore it. I do like how she keeps claiming that she has no symptoms of an eating disorder. You know, except for all of them.

Small detail: the summary says she was prescribed Boost, but her captions say it was Boost+ (Boost Plus). Regular Boost is 240 calories per bottle, and Boost Plus is 360. If the doctors were pushing her to have 9.5 of those per day, they were pushing hard for her to get well over 3,000, which would likely be pretty similar to what she'd have been given in a treatment setting. The fact that they were pushing Boost only tells me that she was refusing solid food completely-- which I realize she admits in her own summaries, but it's nice to have confirmation.
 
Long time listener, first time caller.

It took five years but I’ve finally caught up with all 1034 posts and it has been a ride. Thank you for the hours and hours of entertainment. I think I have developed a new wrinkle between my eyes from screwing my face up in horror / wonder at what these people and their enablers have “achieved”.

Gold star to @Kate Farms Shill for her wonderful write-ups. You should start a side-hustle in helping folks figure out their genealogy on Ancestry or similar because your sleuthing skills are second only to Sherlock.

Additional gold star to folks like Thomas Eugene Paris (can’t figure out how to @ you) and @Otterly for educating me on many things.

It’s hard to pick a top three, but I think Abrea has to be up there in terms of most batshit insane. Rose was too gross for me so I skipped over most of her posts as the ick factor was at dangerous levels. Everyone loves good old Vampire Kelly, but I’m mostly just amazed at how many ED to OTT clones there are out there.

Won’t clog up your thread any more for now. I’m a Luddite and posting from an iPad and would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a short guide on how to spoiler / format posts to make them easier to read / skip the boring parts.

Thank you!

*I come in peace, please admonish me appropriately for any errors in posting or etiquette :)
 
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posting from an iPad and would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a short guide on how to spoiler / format posts to make them easier to read / skip the boring parts.
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Tilly is getting her shill taken seriously by some…it’s behind a paywall and I’m not paying for access but this was the instagram post. View attachment 7323056View attachment 7323062
Just post the link, someone else can take care of it.

For this article, archive.today can bypass the paywall, but you can't copy text without going to source code.

“I was a medical mystery for 20 years – this is what it’s really like to be a patient in the NHS" (Archive)

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Tilly is getting her shill taken seriously by some…it’s behind a paywall and I’m not paying for access but this was the instagram post. View attachment 7323056View attachment 7323062
I know “stylist magazine” is where I go for all my hard hitting medical and NHS coverage. I’m betting Tilly submitted and article to this marketing effort, I mean magazine, and they were happy to publish it. (Better than paying actual writers or more chat gpt content)
 
I’m a longtime lurker on my third re-read of this thread, but today I bring information that was worth registering to share.

This article talks about a 26 year old New Zealander who’s won the legal right to refuse medical treatment. Details seem to suggest it’s Queen Septic Paige, though there are a few points I’m unsure on.

A 26-year-old woman with a history of health problems has won an order to "let nature take its course" - a move that could allow her to starve to death in hospital where she is refusing food and medical intervention.

The woman, whose name is suppressed, has a long and complicated history of health issues and has spent large portions of the past seven years in hospital.

While she and her family believe she suffers from gastroparesis, a physical condition affecting the stomach, there has never been any medical evidence that she has the condition.

Instead, she's been diagnosed with a factitious disorder, a mental health condition in which the sufferer consciously self-induces, feigns or exaggerates physical or psychiatric symptoms to receive medical care.

It cannot be treated with medication.

Despite this, neither the woman nor her parents has ever accepted that there is a psychological or psychiatric component to her condition.

As a result, she has refused to engage in any kind of psychological therapy that might help.

The woman has been subject to orders under the Protection of Personal and Property Rights Act since 2018, which permitted health professionals to treat her, including food via a tube.

These orders have been extended eight times but expired in October last year.

The following month, the woman collapsed at home and was re-admitted to hospital in Auckland, where she's remained since.

During that time, she's undergone 30 surgeries for various infections and, since early this year, has limited her food intake and refused any further surgical intervention.

The woman is described as being emaciated and frail, bed-bound and in a dark hospital room with closed curtains as natural light hurts her eyes.

Te Whatu Ora has applied for another order under the Act, which would allow medical professionals to continue to treat her.

However, the woman has opposed any such order being made and does not want any treatment administered against her will.

Instead, she wants to let nature take its course, even if that results in her death.

And now, in a recent ruling from the High Court at Auckland, she's been granted her wish.

The pattern of poor decisions is life-threatening​

The woman told a court-appointed legal adviser living in a hospital long-term - as she has done for 1588 days (about four years and three months) in the past five years - was not, for her, a life.

She is completely dependent on others for assistance and does not even have sufficient strength to lift herself up in bed.

She says she no longer wants to be under the control of anyone else, including medical professionals.

The woman told the adviser, who visited her in the hospital, that she'd been forced to undergo psychotherapy in the past, but it did not help, and she doesn't want to do it again.

While the woman accepts that without further medical intervention, she will likely die, she said she isn't suicidal and doesn't want assisted death.

Her parents have also accepted her decision not to consent to further treatment.

When a treatment order was first imposed in 2018, one expert found that in most issues, the woman had full capacity, except when it came to healthcare decisions.

"The pattern of poor decisions is life-threatening (she has left the hospital against medical advice, discontinued care, requested palliation for a treatable condition), and appears to have no insight (and is... resistant to input) around the basis for her condition," that expert found.

"Therefore, I think she is impaired around her ability to understand the nature and consequences of her situation."

A Family Court judge then granted a treatment order on the basis that she didn't "appreciate her situation and its consequences" and lacked the capacity to make informed decisions about her medical care.

Fast forward to 2025 and three experts produced by Te Whatu Ora conceded she had the ability to understand the decisions she was making about her health, as well as the likely consequences.

However, all three were concerned that she was basing her decision on what was essentially a misdiagnosis of gastroparesis, when in reality, all her symptoms were psychological, they said.

Best interests lie in letting nature take its course​

After a hearing at the High Court at Auckland in April, Justice Graham Lang found that just because the woman refused to accept the factual diagnosis of her condition, it didn't mean she was mentally incapable of making decisions about her own healthcare.

"She has obviously based her decisions on this erroneous belief. Further, she is unwilling or unable to countenance the possibility that her belief may be incorrect," Justice Lang said in his decision.

"A person may validly agree to, or refuse, medical treatment even where they do not accept the diagnosis that has led to the offer of the treatment in question.

"The critical issue is whether they truly understand the nature, purpose and effect of the proposed treatment.

"Further, she knows that treatment and nutrition will keep her alive. This means she understands the gravity of the consequences that her decisions may produce."

Justice Lang ruled the woman had the mental capacity to decide her own fate.

Justice Lang also noted the woman had repeatedly refused to accept psychological intervention, so it was unlikely that any court order would convince her to seek it as a treatment path.

"[Her] death is not an inevitability, although there appears little prospect at this stage that she will engage in the psychiatric care that offers her the best hope of improving her disorder," Justice Lang said.

"However, she is now in a position where the Court would be required to choose between making orders that override [her] wishes in the hope of preserving a theoretical prospect of her living a fulfilling life, or allowing her the dignity of deciding for herself.

"As matters currently stand, [she] has decided that her best interests lie in letting nature take its course. I consider the Court should respect that decision given that she has made it after receiving nutrition and treatment over many years with little apparent accompanying long-term benefit."

Justice Lang said that in reaching that conclusion, he took into account that the woman is well aware she needs to eat to stay alive, and can ask at any time to get help.

"It is for her to decide whether she wishes to avail herself of this option."

A Te Whatu Ora spokesperson said it could not comment on individual patients, but confirmed that it would not be appealing the ruling.

Freedom of choice​

Human rights lawyer Michael Bott, a former Council for Civil Liberties national chairman, told NZME that freedom of choice meant the ability for people to make any decision they wanted.

"It's the freedom to make bizarre choices, or choices that don't make sense to anyone else necessarily."

Bott said that just because someone makes what is perceived to be the wrong decision doesn't mean the state should compel them to make the objectively "right" decision.

Bott also said that if Te Whatu Ora thought the woman was mentally unwell it could have applied under the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act for an order to force her to accept medical treatment.

"As a general rule people make decisions about their health and they choose to either accept or reject the advice of the experts, in this case here she has a belief that trumps that," he said.

"No one is going to change her view."

The timeline seems to fit, along with her age (on her public Instagram she celebrated turning 25 on July 20 2023, which would make her 26 now). The no-no casts would make sense with the past treatment orders, and 30 surgeries for infections in the last six months is fairly standard for Paige.

The thing that makes me hesitate in declaring this is for sure Paige, is the reference to her parents also not accepting it’s not psychological, which we know from her mother’s forum posts isn’t true. However, supporting this in the hope that it might soon be over does make sense with her mother’s feelings towards Paige, perhaps.

Whoever it is, it doesn’t look like she intends to leave hospital, just enjoy the power of refusing whatever she doesn’t feel like.
 
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