Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Yeah, EVS is just blowing hot air to give people the impression that his All Caps Comic or whatever it is called is still as productive as ever, when it truth the only thing it has been selling for years is unfulfilled promises. Like him or not, Eric July is the only one putting out stuff and fulfilling orders on a reliable basis, so I guess EVS needs to do SOMETHING to show people that he's no slouch too.

On the 1% chance that he is delulu enough to believe his own claims, he has to consider: there are so many old and new manga in the market, ditto young adult stuff - whatt makes this one so special?

The whole "I'm a gurl beaten by a trans woman uhuhuhuhu!" stuff is a year too late anyway, as Trump seems intent on squeezing feminine balls out of female sports. That and this issue is a non-issue outside of woke white people countries - Japan definitely isn't likely to care about such a story line. The only ones getting excited are the same people who are already paypigs to EVS and friends.

The whole thing is a performative money grab, fulfillment of orders optional.

 

[Captain Manning]

EVS is really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

For all that, he should have asked Ben Dunn to draw the book. At least people know who he is.

People know who Sven is. At least in this corner of the Internet. He technically even has a verified account here (@svenstoffels).

Thing is, while I think he has talent, he would absolutely not be my first choice for any faux-manga or any anime-style artwork. It's not really his thing, and based upon what Ethan posted, I have to say I think Tim Lim does it way better.

Joseph Wight (Twilight X) would have been a good choice too, but I have no idea what he's up to these days. He used to work with Dunn at AP.

 

[The Tall Man]

why is he lowering himself to work for a guy who licks urinals?

Sven is friends with Nerkish (he has been on Svenstreams a few times), Tim Lim (Butch Killigan is with Iconic Comics), Doug TenNapel (they worked on a project together), and Jesse PS (the official king of CG).
As he has often said, he is willing to talk with almost anyone.

If you do not follow the drama around CG, you simply will not know what is going on. It is really hard to get into. There are so many characters, petty dramas, countless grudges, and a lot of it is genuinely boring.
The reason EVS reached out to Sven was because Sven made fun of EJ’s ISOM, which he saw because Josh brought up Butch Killigan as a comparison in his ISOM review.
That is the whole story. EVS has been nice to Sven, so Sven is nice to him.

The only people who really care about all this drama are the EJ and EVS crowd. Tim, Doug, etc. rarely ever mention EVS. This is always just a stupid proxy war between some EVS guys and some EJ guys.

Working with Sven shows that EVS does not have strong stances.
Sven is a lot edgier than Nerkish and definitely does not value gay people any more than Doug TenNapel does.
He takes a lot of inspiration from manga, just like Tim Lim and you can clearly see this in his work.
It really makes you wonder for what purpose EVS made all these people his enemies.

I'll be honest, I think his art sucks, even the stuff I can find that isn't just deliberately edgy and provocative.

You’re a goofy guy if you think that deliberately edgy and provocative stuff is somehow bad.

And, I don't know why you'd call Stoffels' art cute, none of it really seems cute, and any of it that isn't a picture of a Nintendo character reminds me more of cartoons in the 90's where it was intentionally grotesque.

The comic he makes for EVS is done in a style that deliberately looks like 90s cartoons. It is girly and cutesy, with big heads, big eyes, and small mouths and noses. That is not a matter of personal taste; that is what is generally considered cute.
You can hate EVS as much as you want, but claiming that Sven’s art sucks just tanks your credibility as a critic.

Thing is, while I think he has talent, he would absolutely not be my first choice for any faux-manga or any anime-style artwork. It's not really his thing, and based upon what Ethan posted, I have to say I think Tim Lim does it way better.

It’s just something EVS said to stir up drama. It was a pretty lame move.
Sven said he mostly based the style of that comic on 90s cartoons.

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What Podawful said stuck with me. Why does EVS mostly talk about EJ? He is supposed to be the anti-mainstream comics guy. There are so many hacks in mainstream comics who are bad artists and have been coasting along, and they would deserve a lot of ridicule, yet he never goes after them. Makes no rational sense.

 

[Mr Processor]

It’s just something EVS said to stir up drama. It was a pretty lame move.
Sven said he mostly based the style of that comic on 90s cartoons.

I wonder if he's trying to sabotage Sven then. The whole thing looks that way to me, and I wouldn't put it past EVS.

 

[Dr. Buff Drinklots]

yeah Sven is the real deal

 

[A Very Big Fish]

You’re a goofy guy if you think that deliberately edgy and provocative stuff is somehow bad.

The point here is not subject matter, I'm saying I don't like his art, even when it isn't trying to be intentionally disgusting. Or do you think that picture I posted was Sven trying to make something that looked good? When he made the Hila cartoon, do you think that wasn't intentionally designed to be grotesque? My point is not edgy = bad, my point is, even when he isn't trying to be gross or make over the top caricatures, I do not think his style is good.

The comic he makes for EVS is done in a style that deliberately looks like 90s cartoons. It is girly and cutesy, with big heads, big eyes, and small mouths and noses. That is not a matter of personal taste; that is what is generally considered cute.
You can hate EVS as much as you want, but claiming that Sven’s art sucks just tanks your credibility as a critic.

I don't like his art, I don't think it looks cute. "That is not a matter of personal taste" oh, so there is an undebatable standard for cuteness in art? "That is what is generally considered cute" right, so there is a level of personal opinion and thought. Obviously. Hell, the little kid in the Biden cartoon does generic cuteness much better than the pages of his comic for EVS. I looked up a bunch of his art, and I think he CAN make good work (weirdly most of it only seems to exist when he does art of Nintendo characters), however, the vast majority of his stuff looks shitty.

If you don't think I have credibility as a critic, I could not give less of a fuck. I am one guy sharing my opinion on what looks like another godawful comic that probably won't be released until at least the next presidential administration. You like his cutesy art, go nuts, buy the comic. I think it sucks and I won't, welcome to the free world.

 

[Wenger]

You can like Sven's stuff or not. The point is the blatant hypocrisy. We all know that his work would be considered bad by Evan if he wasn't useful to him. There are no principles or standards at all. It just comes down to who is useful and who is not.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

You’re a goofy guy if you think that deliberately edgy and provocative stuff is somehow bad.

Counter point, when we remove the edge from some works there is literally nothing left.

 

[Captain Manning]

What Podawful said stuck with me. Why does EVS mostly talk about EJ? He is supposed to be the anti-mainstream comics guy. There are so many hacks in mainstream comics who are bad artists and have been coasting along, and they would deserve a lot of ridicule, yet he never goes after them. Makes no rational sense.

Because it's not about countering awful mainstream comics, or the awful industry that makes them.

It's about Ethan's ego.

 

[Fleetwood]

Eric July is the only one putting out stuff and fulfilling orders on a reliable basis,

Remember there are people out there outside this wacko bubble of youtuber comics where you can buy their printed comics outright not uncertain crowdfunds. But Eric is taking a lot of what comicsgate claimed to be doing and actually doing it instead of stringing people along.

The whole "I'm a gurl beaten by a trans woman uhuhuhuhu!" stuff is a year too late anyway, as Trump seems intent on squeezing feminine balls out of female sports. That and this issue is a non-issue outside of woke white people countries

If you're looking at that art it's supposed to be Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan. It's a 90s reference similar to Bill Clinton or Soy Bomb in the other Cyberfrog comics. Just a cringe heavy handed way to mark the time period because Ethan is a bad writer.

yeah Sven is the real deal

Oh shit I have seen this!

 

[Commander X]

In his mind, he probably thinks he is smarter than Tim Lim/Doug Ernst and Renie that have (or are trying to get) a foothold in Japan. Disregarding the fact it probably took them a few years to even get to that point. Not to mention probably know the language.

But EVS being the big brain he is somehow believes he can do it with a comic about an unnecessary character as a teenager. It will be interesting to see how badly this thing bombs.

The shot fired at the KA fellows, EVS and some of the CG followers are jealous of any small publisher that has achieved even a dab of greater success than whatever EVS and the crest of the CG knuckleknobs have tried to do. The most obvious example of this has some of the people on the fringes of the drama claiming that hey, they just heard you know, that Iconic Comics is being backed by an "angel investor" millionaire and that the only reason Iconic has had anything resembling successes is because this investor gives them lots of money to throw around. Which is beyond inane because a comic publisher being flush with money doesn't mean they can buy their way into being a company with titles that sell. There have been publishers which have had backers and investors pouring money into them who have proved that that definitely does not guarantee success.

 

[General Gunther]

Just say you support blacklisting conservatives from the entertainment industry already Zack.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

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Just say you support blacklisting conservatives from the entertainment industry already Zack.

Entertainment commentator comments on entertainment.
HURRR DURR CONSERVATIVES BAAAAAAAAAD.
Zack what the fuck does thinking critical have to do with anything?
Oh yeah and YOU HATED THIS FUCKING MOVIE SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

 

[Captain Manning]

I think I figured out why I don't GAF about Zack.

He's gone full SJW, and I'm so over that from last decade. He's virtually indistinguishable from a litany of other people/cows now. It's played out.

 

[The Tall Man]

"That is not a matter of personal taste" oh, so there is an undebatable standard for cuteness in art?

Yes.
Cuteness is mostly about the biological features that children and babies display. That’s why humans can find a baby crocodile cute. Those features are not arbitrary; they follow easily defined rules, like facial proportions.
Eyes positioned lower on the face, larger eyes, a small mouth, small nose, small jaw, and a big head.

"That is what is generally considered cute" right, so there is a level of personal opinion and thought.

There are no absolute truths. That’s retard thinking.
"True" is the affirmative answer to a question. Only subjects can ask questions, and only subjects can answer them. The idea of there being an objective truth is irrational. Objects don't ask or answer questions. You cannot remove subjects from a truth.
It's intersubjective, meaning most subjects have the same answer to the question of what makes something cute. The outlier freak who thinks stinky feet are cute doesn't matter. There are always outliers.

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I agree that there are works where the edginess is the main thing that makes them interesting.

This is more of a cartoon nerd topic and applies less to Western comic artists like EVS.
Sven's line economy and confidence are on a very high level, right up there with Doug TenNapel.
That's why he can draw a Razorfist muppet in a minute, live on stream.

 

[Wünderkind]

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Just say you support blacklisting conservatives from the entertainment industry already Zack.

by stunning coincidence i was watching this:

much more talented + influential creative than Ya Goy Blacked says pot-smoking hippies are close-minded, anti-experimentation and therefore bring ruin to art

with some art history (or any history) you learn that this is basically true, as, well... any artist living prior to 1960 was far superior to our current jokers and was obviously not some shitlib superfag wanting to trans the kids

WOWZERS

 

[KiwiChud]

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[Delany's Donkey]

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Imagine being in such a pitiful position where you have to try and cope and own the fact that you were recorded licking a urinal while drunk and high.

How can you even attempt to dunk on anyone after that?

 

[KingofSomething]

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Just say you support blacklisting conservatives from the entertainment industry already Zack.

It's always conservatives with this guy. Does Meyer not realize other people shit on the MCU? There are conservatives who still like the MCU, there are liberals who hate it. It's mainstream comic slop, there's not going to be a black and white line over this.

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@FROG Remember to be lighter than the people you're taking shots at if you're going to unironically do this

 

[Captain Manning]

@FROG Remember to be lighter than the people you're taking shots at if you're going to unironically do this

He saw PPP do it, and figured he can get away with it.

Problem is, I'm pretty sure PPP does it ironically.