Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Lorkhan187]

I hate this take so fucking much. Pacifism does not mean lie down like a bitch and take it. It doesn't mean you can't take a life if said life will go on to do more damage and has already attacked you. It means you don't start shit, you try other methods first, and then if that fails you fucking finish it.

One of the best quotes I remember from one of the people that worked on these was that pacifism is not just taking the other cheek, it's the ability to defend one's self and others. They have those sabers for a reason; that reason being that when talks won't work or if harm is to be done, you fucking end it.

What's next? Is Obi Wan supposed to anime talk Maul to death after he fucking killed Qui-Gon? Was he supposed to take that fucker in?

Awful take made by idiots who don't get that pacifism doesn't mean being a wall eyed cow fit for slaughter begging for its life. This is the same tard take the acolyte tried to gurgle about the Jedi before whining that they're the villains. You know, as written by the rape assister.

Yeah i have so many issues with the argument and the argument he made was basically what you outlined. Turned frustrating because it started turning to one of semantics where because the code says "A Jedi was permitted to kill in self-defense - but only if there was no other option. To conquer aggression, even in combat, a Jedi must have explored every other option, including surrender, before resorting to using lethal force" Mace broke that when he went to finish off Palpatine (somehow) and that also somehow validates the argument that the jedi are corrupt and not as good as they're really portrayed to be. Which was a midwit take and has always been a midwit take in a setting where good and evil is quite literally quantified and observable. Alongside the argument the sith are better than the jedi because most jedi are inhuman for trying to ignore all emotions (which also isn't accurate)

 

[Berrakh]

“The Jedi are bad because they aren’t perfect” is a bad argument that appeals only to… well the cringe redditors who still like Star Wars.

 

[JayseeDenton]

The easy solution would have been to make the good guys look cool too and give them their own super soldier power armor but they keep wanting to portray rebels as having awkwardly curved helmets and soft clothing despite having already defeated the Empire.

In the OT the rebel soldiers looked badass in their own regard and looked like soldiers. I even thought the rebel soldiers on the Tantive IV looked cool in their own way.

This is one huge problem i have with Andor is the underdog look you describe. If it was like 4 or 5 years after revenge of the sith i would KIND OF get it (although even then not really), but we're 3 years away from a new hope and we're on yavin. There's just not way a rebellion of any significance in a galaxy this size would be depending on shepherds clothing and rusty old shitty guns to arm it's main warfighters.

If the separatist movement itself was able to arm itself with cutting edge top of the line droids and weapons, how in god's name is NONE of that kind of stuff still lying around for the rebellion to use? There should be entire systems funding a rebellion from the moment the empire takes control given such planets existed beyond republic control to begin with.

This kind of disjointed horseshit is what drives me insane about disney wars, Filoni is a cunt be he should at least know better but he clearly doesn't care.

The OT really gave you the feeling that the rebellion was a competent, well equipped, well funded military organization. This was a war where one side had an advantage, not a revolution.

Even in rogue one they look scrappy and disorganized because disney just can't help themselves

But those were at least better than saul's literal towelheads


It has been an obvious giveaway from the start that they just want people to associate the rebellion with pedo worshipping sandniggers who treat women and non muslims like animals and i'm fucking tired of it.

I really want to line up every leftists writer in california, smack them in the face one by one and tell them "Hey retard, the violent uprising you want isn't going to happen. The only people equipped and capable enough to do so support Trump and hate everything you stand for, stop trying to ignite it by shoving this theme into your shitty movies."

Rate me but i do think this vibe will be coming to an end soon. Between the israel situation, afghanistan situation, and all the wars popping off where muslims and revolutionaries are killing people who aren't white the association of "low tech muslim freedom fighter equal good" is inevitably going to die. Even the wokest of leftists are no longer pushing the "western imperialism causes all the problems in the world" after the past 3 years demonstrated how retarded that claim is, and always has been. I think it's part of why andor is underperforming.

With any luck we'll be getting military kino again, the success of top gun maverick and helldivers and such shows the enormous appetite for it. It's probably being made right now but might be a while before we see it.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Lol all Mace Dindu had to do was control himself and the galaxy wouldn't have gone up in flames. Asking too much I guess.

I was jaw dropped trying to imagine Zack doing this, looked it up and it was tom which is unsurprising. Also he posted this gay shit.
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After all these years i'm really starting to wonder exactly what "machine" they were talking about all this time.

They sold out years ago like Green Day. They were shilling the vaccine and wouldn't let "unvaccinated" into their concerts.

 

[BullfrogBill]

In the OT the rebel soldiers looked badass in their own regard and looked like soldiers. I even thought the rebel soldiers on the Tantive IV looked cool in their own way.

This is one huge problem i have with Andor... It has been an obvious giveaway from the start that they just want people to associate the rebellion with pedo worshipping sandniggers who treat women and non muslims like animals and i'm fucking tired of it.

It's a very unpopular opinion but I've always liked the Rebels and thought they were cooler than the empire, in most Star Wars games when given the choice between playing as the Empire or playing as the Rebels I almost always prefer the Rebels. But I always associated the Rebels with George Washington and the Revolutionary War which is inherently one of the most badass things you could represent, and I always associated the Empire with the British. Even as a kid this is what the Rebellion and the Empire reminded me of. But people today really want the rebels to represent whatever the new thing Democrats care about at the time is and at the moment that would be Palestinians I guess. It's just so horrible, it would be so exhausting trying to even care about this dumb Disney bullshit.

 

[Berrakh]

It’s trendy to depict the Rebels as anarchists because that’s how the youth nobody has ever oppressed see themselves. But originally they were a government in exile and had full military pomp and circumstance. It was never grassroots in the way things like Andor portray it BUT that portrayal flatters the resistard audience.

 

[LovisXVI]

The OT really gave you the feeling that the rebellion was a competent, well equipped, well funded military organization. This was a war where one side had an advantage, not a revolution.

It’s trendy to depict the Rebels as anarchists because that’s how the youth nobody has ever oppressed see themselves. But originally they were a government in exile and had full military pomp and circumstance. It was never grassroots in the way things like Andor portray it BUT that portrayal flatters the resistard audience.

Also important to note that they were funded and supported by wealthy core worlds aristocrats like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, who were literally part of a major GR political family and the King of Alderaan respectively, not to mention being foundationally made up of former CIS, which also includes wealthy industrialists and nationalists. They were militaristic and disciplined from the start and never were scruffy Maoist PLA style rebels.

 

[Berrakh]

Also important to note that they were funded and supported by wealthy core worlds aristocrats like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, who were literally part of a major GR political family and the King of Alderaan respectively, not to mention being foundationally made up of former CIS, which also includes wealthy industrialists and nationalists. They were militaristic and disciplined from the start and never were scruffy Maoist PLA style rebels.

The Rebellion’s argument was that they were the true and authentic government. That Palpatine was a usurper and tyrant. Not just in the sense he was oppressive but in the original Greek sense that he was not the rightful leader and his misrule was further proof of that illegitimacy.

 

[LovisXVI]

Lol all Mace Dindu had to do was control himself and the galaxy wouldn't have gone up in flames. Asking too much I guess.

He was hopped up on Vapaad, can't blame him too much.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

The Rebellion’s argument was that they were the true and authentic government. That Palpatine was a usurper and tyrant. Not just in the sense he was oppressive but in the original Greek sense that he was not the rightful leader and his misrule was further proof of that illegitimacy.

Palpatine was the duly elected leader of the Republic and reluctantly took on the mantle of being the Emperor in order to make the galaxy safe again. Mothma and Organa were sore losers who wanted to push their pro-alien and pro-Jedi agenda. Do you really want a bunch of celibate space wizards armed with laser swords who had ZERO oversite running around and telling you how to live? Don't worry, I've already reported your post and the ISB are coming to take you to a re-education center. I hope you come back with a true love for our Emperor and his vision for a peaceful and prosperous galaxy!

 

[LovisXVI]

Do you really want a bunch of celibate space wizards armed with laser swords who had ZERO oversite running around and telling you how to live?

Well to be fair, they did also control the de-facto state religion, with Yoda as Space Wizard Pope. So it is practically speaking, worse, as they were unaccountable and beyond the arm of the law.

 

[Berrakh]

Well to be fair, they did also control the de-facto state religion, with Yoda as Space Wizard Pope. So it is practically speaking, worse, as they were unaccountable and beyond the arm of the law.

But that’s fine in the white hat and black hat world Star Wars always was.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I've always thought CIS holdouts were an underutilized part of Star Wars

 

[LovisXVI]

I've always thought CIS holdouts were an underutilized part of Star Wars

Late era EU from 2009 to 2014 really sprinted with it. Lots of examples crammed in with stuff like The Essential Guide to Warfare adding quite a few instances, like the Bryx Freedom Fighters and the Reconquest of the Rim campaign against a lot of them.

 

[draggs]

Palpatine was the duly elected leader of the Republic and reluctantly took on the mantle of being the Emperor in order to make the galaxy safe again. Mothma and Organa were sore losers who wanted to push their pro-alien and pro-Jedi agenda. Do you really want a bunch of celibate space wizards armed with laser swords who had ZERO oversite running around and telling you how to live? Don't worry, I've already reported your post and the ISB are coming to take you to a re-education center. I hope you come back with a true love for our Emperor and his vision for a peaceful and prosperous galaxy!

Palpatine had to concentrate all power into the only thing he could trust: himself. The Jedi engineered a war between the CIS and Republic, with the first step being attacking Palpatine's own home planet. When that war started the Jedi took direct command of the massively increased military forces of the Republic. Then a group of Jedi, all of them holding office of high military command, tried to assassinate Palpatine in his office. During all this the Senate was completely feckless. The Jedi litrully did a military coup and Palpy responded appropriately

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Palpatine had to concentrate all power into the only thing he could trust: himself. The Jedi engineered a war between the CIS and Republic by attacking his own home planet. When that war started the Jedi took direct command of the massively increased military forces of the Republic. Then a group of Jedi, all of them holding office of high military command, tried to assassinate Palpatine in his office. During all this the Senate was completely feckless. The Jedi litrully did a military coup and he responded appropriately

Don't forget who ordered the clone army in the first place: a Jedi. And who was leading the CIS? A former Jedi. The average person was sick and tired of fighting wars for the Jedi. Let's not forget that the Jedi would abduct your child if they thought it was "force sensitive". More likely these claimed celibates were taking children for their own perverse pleasure.

 

[Midwit]

Should they have used Garm rather than Saw? Definitely.

I disagree, Saw being a fuel-huffing ride or die space terrorist is kino as fuck and he's always a treat, Garm would've been neutered by this show thanks to its focus on subterfuge and criminality over actual warfare.

Awful take made by idiots who don't get that pacifism doesn't mean being a wall eyed cow fit for slaughter begging for its life. This is the same tard take the acolyte tried to gurgle about the Jedi before whining that they're the villains. You know, as written by the rape assister.

The better term for it would be non-belligerence. Passivity is not the Jedi way, one cannot serve the Force without being able to take action for it.

 

[BigBadBastich]

and they even made him do a genocide just in case you didn't get the memo that he's not an approved character to like.

To be fair his original background has him waging a literal holy war against invasive bugs who he BTFO's so badly that they cry to the Republic who has to intervene and stop the genociding. Its actually funny how much of a mythological, demigod figure Grievous was on his homeworld.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

To be fair his original background has him waging a literal holy war against invasive bugs who he BTFO's so badly that they cry to the Republic who has to intervene and stop the genociding. Its actually funny how much of a mythological, demigod figure Grievous was on his homeworld.

Plus he's got a really cool name and that's very important for a Star Wars character.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Late era EU from 2009 to 2014 really sprinted with it. Lots of examples crammed in with stuff like The Essential Guide to Warfare adding quite a few instances, like the Bryx Freedom Fighters and the Reconquest of the Rim campaign against a lot of them.

But that was always off hand lore building and nothing we got actual stories out of

To be fair his original background has him waging a literal holy war against invasive bugs who he BTFO's so badly that they cry to the Republic who has to intervene and stop the genociding. Its actually funny how much of a mythological, demigod figure Grievous was on his homeworld.

And it's a alleged that he sired a bunch of kids before he was a cyborg. Honestly, Grevious's legacy would be an interesting thing to establish