India-Pakistan Conflict - Land Of The Indus Versus Land Of The Pure

Irrational Exuberance said:
Okay, now imagine the rest of the nuclear-capable world seeing that and suddenly realizing "hey, maybe using nukes isn't as horrible as we kept telling ourselves".
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Other nations have already wargamed out the use of nuclear weapons; and haven't used them yet. The only people that are going to actually use nukes, are the retarded ones like India and Pakistan that can't built anything but crude half boosted devices. The yields on their bombs suggests that they can't get the thermonuclear effect to properly boost up their bombs like the west can with ours.

Actual nuclear armed states that can build proper boosted thermonuclear weapons are a whole different ballgame to tinpots that can't manage now, what the Americans pulled off in the 40's. Jeets can throw a limited arsenal, with limited yields at each other and it wouldn't mean anything for nations that have massive arsenals of 100+ kiloton bombs that can be used to carpet entire countries; it's a whole different scale of weapon, and since we treat any nuclear weapon as a redline to chuck all nuclear weapons at our enemies, that isn't going to change.
 
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David Floyd George said:
What the fuck is carved into their foreheads?
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How It's Hated said:
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Also one of the two municipal logos of Ottawa. The Public Health unit of the city conveniently uses both variations.
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${Sandy} said:
I'd still be shocked if It turns out modern french planes in a dogfight are dogshit. I'm not an expert but I know a thing or two about planes and like I want to be in denial that a white nation built on the backs of latins and celts fell off so fucking hard.
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The Rafale is a fine 4.5 Generation fighter. There is nothing wrong with it. Its not the top aircraft in the world, but it does the job with no glaring deficiencies. The issue the Rafale had is what almost any plane will have, which is it has no "low observeability" features - nothing to make it hard to get to maintain a RADAR or infrared lock. Once locked on, its going to be down to pure pilot skill, and the IAF Rafales are piloted by Jeets.

In fact the only real issue with the Rafale is that it is made by the French. I'm being serious, not just a "haha cheese eating surrender monkeys who don't bathe"; the problem is that the Rafale has been in production for 20 years and they've only build 200 of them. France is replacing their Mirages with them and they are barely 1/2 way. Basically extremely low production and limited hope of scaling if shit really goes to hell.
 
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Ishtar said:
If the Indian army is so incompetent why was Operation Green Hunt so successful?
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India, like a lot of developing countries, focuses on what is called a "high-low" force composition. India's army, generally speaking, is highly motivated with good morale, and is an all volunteer force. The problems India face, generally, are a lack of quality equipment and a lack of quality leadership, stemming primarily from the Indian obsession of domestic procurement (which has led to abject failures like the INSAS, although their domestic production capabilities are improving) and the lack of combat experience. The Indian answer to these challenges is to split the army into "high readiness" and "low readiness" formations, with high readiness formations being given priority for talented officers and new equipment. These are the units that primarily see border service. In doctrine, high readiness units are used for breakthrough and maneuver operations while low readiness formations are used for holding the line and providing mass.

Compared to India's neighbor's, their high readiness formations are actually quite good. They are highly motivated, confident, and well equipped. It would require a significant and protracted conflict to see India's fundamental weaknesses to be revealed, which is why their operations tend to revolve around quick, decisive action followed by diplomatic outreach to avoid having those weaknesses exploited.
 
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The Big A said:
The terrorists behind the initial attack are still at large btw, expect more of these.
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There's no reason to believe there were any 'terrorists' in the first place. The Modi regime has previously had the Army commit mass killings to blame them on Muslims and Pakistan, such as the Chittisinghpura incident in which they had some Indian Army reprobates get drunk and massacre most of a village of Sikhs in an attempt to gain Sikh support for their shitty regime. Even Indian Army Lt Gen KS Gill, who was assigned to investigate the incident, determined that the Indian Army was responsible.

In 'response' to Chittisinghpura the Indian Army massacred some more random civilians, in this case five Muslim villagers, who they claimed were the perpetrators. This was done so lazily that even the Modi regime had to admit it was a setup. They will probably try to do more of the same this time.
 
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They're going to keep escalating by the way.

Unless some outside force demands they stop and can do so with an actionable threat both care about, they will continue all the way to nuclear exchange.

And to the retards who go 'but muh refugees' two answers:

Citizen justice.
Nobody is going to fly airplanes or captain ships into an irradiated hellscape. As in, literally irradiated.
 
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Ishtar said:
If the Indian army is so incompetent why was Operation Green Hunt so successful? The Naxalites threatened something like a third of India yet by 2015 were reduced to tiny pockets.
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They still threaten about a third of India. They resorted to more subtle insurgency tactics but there are still huge areas of India that are no-go zones for their military. The last Indian army official to ignore that threat got his helicopter blown the fuck out of the sky.
Ishtar said:
(Well admittedly that was interior Indian security forces)-but they have had some successes. Every war against Pakistan AIUI has been at least marginally in India's favor.
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Pakistan's military is notoriously shit. Which is why their recent modest successes are so hilarious because it means that either Pakistan's army got better (possible but really fucking doubtful) or India's army somehow got even worse.
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(Also in recent Sino-Indian border clashes the Chinks got their asses whipped-and that was just with clubs and sticks).
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Considering that the only concrete footage/photos we have of the incident is of jeet soldiers being marched at gunpoint by chinks, it looks to be the opposite scenario.
 
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ArthuriusMartyrius said:
They still threaten about a third of India. They resorted to more subtle insurgency tactics but there are still huge areas of India that are no-go zones for their military. The last Indian army official to ignore that threat got his helicopter blown the fuck out of the sky.
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Wait when did that happen?
 
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There's no reason to believe there were any 'terrorists' in the first place. The Modi regime has previously had the Army commit mass killings to blame them on Muslims and Pakistan, such as the Chittisinghpura incident in which they had some Indian Army reprobates get drunk and massacre most of a village of Sikhs in an attempt to gain Sikh support for their shitty regime. Even Indian Army Lt Gen KS Gill, who was assigned to investigate the incident, determined that the Indian Army was responsible.

In 'response' to Chittisinghpura the Indian Army massacred some more random civilians, in this case five Muslim villagers, who they claimed were the perpetrators. This was done so lazily that even the Modi regime had to admit it was a setup. They will probably try to do more of the same this time.
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Didn't Chittisinghpura happen in 2000 while Clinton was still president? Pretty sure Modi wasn't in power then.
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Wait when did that happen?
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CDS Bipin Rawat. Indian army initially admitted that his helicopter was downed before rewording it to "caused by human error".
 
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