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Should be a wild four years.

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Celebrate Nite said:
Did some of you people forget what it was like to be a teenager, or did you all just live really boring sheltered lives?

If you think an ID stopped teens from accessing these two specific things, then have I got some bad news for you.
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it's not just about teenagers you stupid fucking nigger there are 9 year olds who hear about pornhub on tiktok because porn is normalized for some reason and go on it
 
Reminder that the bong internet shit started with promises that it was just about keeping kids from accessing porn and now bongkiwis can't even get on the site without a VPN.

I hate the smut peddling Jews too but zoomers are mostly turning away from porn sickness on their own, it is not worth letting what small freedoms we maintain online be further locked away. They always, ALWAYS promise it's "for the kids" before they do the most anti-freedom wretched shit imaginable and the fact that some ITT are falling for it makes me wish I could actually curse some of you, you mind-bogglingly stupid fucking retards.
 
I don't trust the government to build a censorship apparatus and restrict themselves to only censoring the stuff I don't like. The 2nd amendment theoretically covers the right to bear arms, and yet, there is a raft of laws and agencies infringing that right in practice. How about parents actually do some parenting and monitor what their kids are doing online. Last I checked, neglecting your children is already illegal.

From a technical perspective, the only way enforcement of this would work would be for the government to visit literally every website on the internet, classify it, and either send law enforcement after the operators, or if hosted in a different country, block the site at the national level. It might start out as only blocking porn for minors, but in a couple decades, some crisis will happen and it will be extended beyond it's original scope. By that point, everyone will be used to having to get government permission to visit certain sites, and it won't seem like such an imposition. This kind of shit always starts as, "think of the children!!!!!".

EDIT: had same sentence in twice.
 
In my opinion the first place to start with the online porn issue is to outlaw making profit from porn. If you treat people making profit from making porn as pimps and prostitutes in the legal system I think it would do a lot in the long term as far as removing the glamorization of porn and being a whore for a living.

I'm not too opposed to requiring ID for porn sites because I'm just not convinced it will balloon out to the entirety of the internet. It seems like a huge leap in logic to me. Especially when we already have to use an ID to get alcohol or the likes and that's never been expanded to "You will need an ID to buy caffeine, man!"
 
Storytime said:
what's wrong with requiring ID to access porn websites again
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Honest answer privacy and security the more often a person has to give out their personal details the more likely they are to have them stolen further as much as the internet is already a privacy nightmare giving the people who will be serving you porn your real name and address is a deeply uncomfortable idea. It is also very different showing your ID to a bored store clerk than sending it to be potentially filed in a database. It further ties what you do online to your real life and further normalizes the de-anonymization of the internet. There are real trade offs involved here.

Aidan said:
A lot of VPNs offer DNS blocking categories, including porn. I'm pretty sure some ISPs even allow DNS blocking nowadays on their web portals if they control your router. There are free services and tools to do this as well, most people just don't know it's even a thing.

I strongly believe if more people, especially parents, knew about this, they would use it.
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If the government really wanted this solved I genuinely believe all they really would have to do is have filtering be something your isp or cell phone provider asks if you would like to opt into the tools already exist and could be made better simply by requiring porn sites to identify themselves as such. there was a proposal floated in the nineties for example to have pornographic sites use the domain name .XXX
 
Celebrate Nite said:
Did some of you people forget what it was like to be a teenager, or did you all just live really boring sheltered lives?

If you think an ID stopped teens from accessing these two specific things, then have I got some bad news for you.
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I don't see your point. Kids get molested despite the laws in place, so... get rid of the laws because they don't stop all child rapes? You're a silly.

Just say "I want to use xHamster without giving them my ID." I wouldn't blame you.
Sithis said:
Reminder that the bong internet shit started with promises that it was just about keeping kids from accessing porn and now bongkiwis can't even get on the site without a VPN.
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Bongs never had a First Amendment, so it's apples to oranges. The First Amendment doesn't protect obscenity and it never has. These morons are just angry they won't be able to jerk off anymore without the state making sure they aren't underage.
 
JustSomeDong said:
thats like, work and stuff.
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yeah nigga you need to literally be over your kids shoulder 24/7 or you're a bad parent
Postal_Rat said:
Honest answer privacy and security the more often a person has to give out their personal details the more likely they are to have them stolen further as much as the internet is already a privacy nightmare giving the people who will be serving you porn your real name and address is a deeply uncomfortable idea. It is also very different showing your ID to a bored store clerk than sending it to be potentially filed in a database. It further ties what you do online to your real life and further normalizes the de-anonymization of the internet. There are real trade offs involved here.
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oh well you don't really need to watch porn anyway wake me when you have to do it for twitter or whatever then maybe there's a problem
 
Storytime said:
seems a lot harder and more invasive than just asking for ID
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The problem is, they aren't just "asking for your ID" like a bouncer, they're storing your ID. They will then associate everything on your account with you personally and when that data is leaked, the company may have to pay a fine but so what, the damage is going to go well beyond that. As nice as it is to say "Well they shouldn't be looking at that stuff," that boils down to the same argument of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear." Which doesn't hold up.
 
I'm intrigued by the Sunday talks and stances of US/IR coming into them

Iran: wants to have a nuclear program for "civilian purposes"


After Witkoff's comments over the weekend that the US will not allow uranium enrichment on Iranian soil, Iranian FM Araqchi said this evening that, "If the goal of the negotiations is to deprive Iran of its nuclear rights or to make other unreasonable demands, Iran will under no circumstances give up. Iran insists on its right to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, including uranium enrichment."

US: Will allow this but requires full denuclearization, oversight, and enrichment not on IR soil

Trump administration envoy Steve Witkoff, in a significant statement ahead of the round of nuclear talks with Iran on Sunday, said, “We must dismantle the three uranium enrichment facilities in Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan. The uranium enrichment program in Iran can no longer exist. They can't have centrifuges. That's our red line - no enrichment! We will not accept a bad deal with Iran. We will withdraw if we feel the agreement is not strong. If we think the talks on Sunday will not be productive, we will choose a different path.
 
I don't like Republicans trying to put guardrails on the internet to keep kids from accessing porn, but I am a fan of making Democrats vote to maintain children's access to porn.
 
Aidan said:
The problem is, they aren't just "asking for your ID" like a bouncer, they're storing your ID. They will then associate everything on your account with you personally and when that data is leaked, the company may have to pay a fine but so what, the damage is going to go well beyond that. As nice as it is to say "Well they shouldn't be looking at that stuff," that boils down to the same argument of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear." Which doesn't hold up.
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again you can avoid this by not watching porn this is like getting mad at someone looking at your ID to buy cigarettes when nobody is making you buy cigarettes
 
I am amused to no end watching people on a website dedicated to free, open, and unrestricted speech, art and criticism, which has a storied history of being persecuted by both government and private entities, and a vast distaste for government regulation, advocate vehemently for the government to start figuring out how to craft and implement the machinery to segregate the internet into silos and setup checkpoints where you have to show your papers to move around.
 
CaliforniaRaisin said:
I am amused to no end watching people on a website dedicated to free, open, and unrestricted speech, art and criticism, which has a storied history of being persecuted by both government and private entities, and a vast distaste for government regulation, advocate vehemently for the government to start figuring out how to craft and implement the machinery to segregate the internet and setup checkpoints where you have to show your papers.
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Not really surprised. It's also full of people who scream about "the slippery slope of gay marriage lead to your kids trooning out" but scream about how the slippery slope is a fallacy when it comes to the government stripping away your rights.
Storytime said:
yeah i do actually
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If you think that, than you're a retard.
 
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