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Should be a wild four years.

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The Mormons started it. Fuck off. They were allowed to practice their religion, but instead they decided to attack settler convoys.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The Mormons massacred an entire settler convoy at Mountain Meadows.

The US Army wasn't sent in over religious differences. It was sent in because the retards in Salt Lake city decided they had the authority to kill American citizens. The US Army "deterred" the Mormon church of this notion. By force and extreme violence. And under the guns of the US Army, the Mormons became very accommodating. They didn't just stop attacking wagon trains they started to profess how patriotic they were. Amazing what swift and certain implementation of lethal force can accomplish. Even against religious cultists.
based off the books i read about it, it was primarily due to the church's practice of polygamy and the threat of Mormons being more loyal to the Church than to the usa. im not a scholar ofc.

i do think the argument in reynolds v. United States, 1879 about polygamy being a banned religious practice makes sense but why allow native americans to have an exemption to drug laws allowing them to have peyote or the endangered species act allowing them to have eagle feathers
 
it isn't vague if you actually apply the standard. the only thing keeping porn sites open is lack of political will to enforce said standard.
It's far too vague, and SCOTUS has waffled back and forth on how strictly it was meant to be interpreted for decades. Whether something is "obscene" in their view practically comes down to whether they had a good bowel movement that morning. The standard as defined is useless.

The TOR team is also working on updating the code base by re-writing it in rust.
Jesus wept, the fucking rustfags have infiltrated everything, haven't they? Do you honestly expect people involved in the premier troon language are going to possibly resist the urge to put tracers of some kind into TOR for certain "naughty places" (like KF, not for anything like CSAM, which they want to continue accessing)?
 
But the people who fear monger about the ID for porn don't offer any solutions, just sci fi tales of the future where the internet requires an ID just to make a simple google search. It just seems unreasonable to me. It would be one thing if someone had any idea of an alternative to the ID requirement for porn but most of the time the people arguing against it are clearly just seething that their porn will be harder to access.

Why is it okay for an ID to be required to buy alcohol or weed online but it's not okay to require an ID to watch porn? I don't see people arguing that requiring an ID for liquor and weed online is going to lead to ultimate doom and a blanket requirement over the whole internet.
I think it's easy to say "well porn is bad so who cares if the gooners have to dox themselves to goon" but it sets a precedent of the government forcing ID requirements to access a site. Purchasing prohibited items is requiring ID to access the items, not the sites. And let's be real, the law is ineffective, if anyone wants to get around it then they will use a VPN. Kids can find free VPNs without issue, I know I did and I used them in school to play games, students were always ahead of the IT department, even if it meant using basically malware to play the shittiest games imaginable. Gooners will do the same.

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based off the books i read about it, it was primarily due to the church's practice of polygamy and the threat of Mormons being more loyal to the Church than to the usa. im not a scholar ofc.
There was much more going on. The Mormon cult was founded by an 19th century version of Chris Chan. A proto lolcow cult uprising literally occurred. And an official declaration of insurrection and disloyalty has never been rescinded by the "church."

Anyways, I'm gonna go to bed.
Goodnight you Princes of Sneed, you Kings of Feed and Seed! And may the REEEEEs of spergs sing thee to thy rests!
 
It's far too vague, and SCOTUS has waffled back and forth on how strictly it was meant to be interpreted for decades. Whether something is "obscene" in their view practically comes down to whether they had a good bowel movement that morning. The standard as defined is useless.
For real though we have had three different tests since the foundation of the country for what qualifies as Obscenity and we still haven't found one that produces relatively predictable results at trial. One of the more interesting arguments for the unconstitutionality of Obscenity laws is that it's often not even possible for the defendant to know if they are guilty and that they therefore can not prepare an adequate defense.
 
I'd personally rather a law that porn sites are, by default, blocked and have to be opt in to even be able to see them. But that raises other issues, even though ISPs do DNS blocking already quite often without people ever even knowing. That has a lot of problems too and is still easy to mitigate for gooners. Children, however, would have to jump through some tricky hoops that are usually locked down by default.
 
nigga the us army literally sent armies to prosecute the mormon religion, put german and japanese americans in concentration camps during war, and passed the patriot act

this essentially doesnt exist lol
You dont really have to go that far.
Ruby Ridge started cuz feds didnt like that a guy lived in the forest and missed an appointment he didnt knew he had (thanks USPS!)
Waco stuff.
How about changing election law, bypassing the legislature, and making offices to certify results independently but if they refuse they are jailed.
NSA funsies
Mk Ultra and experiments on civilians
Arguably, Epstein links to politicians and the coverup

Do people even remember covid-19? Who owned the lab it leaked and why they engineered that shit
 
based off the books i read about it, it was primarily due to the church's practice of polygamy and the threat of Mormons being more loyal to the Church than to the usa. im not a scholar ofc.

i do think the argument in reynolds v. United States, 1879 about polygamy being a banned religious practice makes sense but why allow native americans to have an exemption to drug laws allowing them to have peyote or the endangered species act allowing them to have eagle feathers
No. The Mormons actively fought against the United States. They thought that they could form a new zion out in the territories of the USA secured from France and Mexico.

They then began to exercise sovereignty. The Mountain Meadows massacre was the last straw. Not only were the Mormons doing a LARP about their new zion, now they were killing Americans in cold blood and severing Washington DC from its holdings in California and Oregon.

The US Army was sent in. Not to suppress religion. But to assert America's sovereignty over its own interior. And to also find the Mormons responsible for the Mountain Meadows massacre. Alas, the civil war interrupted proceedings. So when the Feds finally got around to it, only one of the Mormons responsible for the Utah War was tied to a post, presented to the firing squad and executed.
 
Jesus wept, the fucking rustfags have infiltrated everything, haven't they? Do you honestly expect people involved in the premier troon language are going to possibly resist the urge to put tracers of some kind into TOR for certain "naughty places" (like KF, not for anything like CSAM, which they want to continue accessing)?
Its open source. You can look at the code. If trannies really put shitty code in, you have the ability to fork it
 
Americans would sooner have the the entire internet locked down to require your face constantly be in view of your webcam than have uncomfortable discussions with their children, but I understand.
It used to be "birds and the bees", but now it's "birds and the bees, bees and the bees, bird and the birds, the bees that used to be birds, the birds that used to be bees, the birds that look like bees, and the bees that look like birds but they got a fucking stinger."
 
Its open source. You can look at the code. If trannies really put shitty code in, you have the ability to fork it
Remind me again what's wrong with forking and improving the existing implementation? Sounds like the standard "ooooh new toy let's rewrite for no reason!" bullshit rustoids are hung up on.
 
Americans would sooner have the the entire internet locked down to require your face constantly be in view of your webcam than have uncomfortable discussions with their children, but I understand.
It used to be "birds and the bees", but now it's "birds and the bees, bees and the bees, bird and the birds, the bees that used to be birds, the birds that used to be bees, the birds that look like bees, and the bees that look like birds but they got a fucking stinger."
The entire Internet isn't porn. Euros already blocked off everything not a 5-eyes fed honeypot over speech.
A lot of States Every State already regulates vices requiring you to show ID for them. Porn just slipped under the radar since old people didn't care about the Internet until 2016 because they believe 4chan got Trump elected and they want to control and censor everything because of that.

"because 1 person thinks a statue is porn that means there's no consensus on what porn is whatsoever" actual retard cope and not the standard of the policy. if you show 99% of porn videos to literally anyone there will be no question if they're porn.
That argument usually leads to the coomer talking about medical anatomical figures being porn. At that point they just need to be shot because they're on the verge of becoming a serial killer.
 
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There are people who believe Michelangelo's David to be pornographic.
"because 1 person thinks a statue is porn that means there's no consensus on what porn is whatsoever" actual retard cope and not the standard of the policy. if you show 99% of porn videos to 99% of people there will be no question if they're porn.
It's far too vague, and SCOTUS has waffled back and forth on how strictly it was meant to be interpreted for decades. Whether something is "obscene" in their view practically comes down to whether they had a good bowel movement that morning. The standard as defined is useless.
do the majority of people view it as pornography? Does it actually show sex? outside of sexual arousal Is it otherwise useless?

these are not vague to anyone being honest, especially when applied to the vast majority of porn on the internet. the reluctance to enforce it does not mean the standard is not met.
One of the more interesting arguments for the unconstitutionality of Obscenity laws is that it's often not even possible for the defendant to know if they are guilty and that they therefore can not prepare an adequate defense.
that seems like a retarded argument and can be applied to many crimes.
 
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One of the more interesting arguments for the unconstitutionality of Obscenity laws is that it's often not even possible for the defendant to know if they are guilty and that they therefore can not prepare an adequate defense.
The whole i know it when i see it.

There s also the issue that obscenity can be more than a sex response. The pearl clutching over music for example

 
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