US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Postal_Rat]

that seems like a retarded argument and can be applied to many crimes.

Generally speaking you may not know something is illegal but most laws can at least be broken down to something you specifically did without any subjectivity what so ever. Did you kill the guy? Did you transport that bird? Did you lie on your resume? Did you beat your spouse? After the charges are explained in a court of law you should be able to know with certainty whether or not you're guilty and be able to plan your defense and plea accordingly, but it's likely that you won't know if you failed prongs two and three of the miller test.

• Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value

Did you make something patently offensive and does it lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value? That's a question for which you may not be able to reasonably answer.

 

[Day of the Cope]

Every State already regulates vices requiring you to show ID for them.

"It's okay for the government to slowly encroach further into your life because they've been doing it for years in literally every other aspect of your life."

Have you ever considered the possibility that the whole thing is a way to defer responsibility?

 

[moocow]

these are not vague to anyone being honest, especially when applied to the vast majority of porn on the internet.

Nonsense. There are plenty of instances of excessive prosecution using these vague definitions. I'm not really interested in arguing it further with someone claiming people are being "dishonest." It doesn't really belong in this thread anyway.

Like I said, people defending gov't-mandated ID for visiting a website and justify it via moralfagging suck cock by choice. Feel free to keep arguing with others on this, but I'm done.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

Generally speaking you may not know something is illegal but most laws can at least be broken down to something you specifically did without any subjectivity what so ever. Did you kill the guy? Did you transport that bird? Did you lie on your resume? Did you beat your spouse? After the charges are explained in a court of law you should be able to know with certainty whether or not you're guilty and be able to plan your defense and plea accordingly, but it's likely that you won't know if you failed prongs two and three of the miller test.

• Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value

Did you make something patently offensive and does it lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value? That's a question for which you may not be able to reasonably answer.

I'm not sure you need to know this for sure. It's a legal standard to be argued in court, It's like You also don't know if you've harassed or defamed someone until you go to court.

Regardless, 99% of porn videos on the internet are crystal clear and the defendent wouldn't be wondering if they failed and everyone knows it.

Like I said, people defending gov't-mandated ID for visiting a website and justify it via moralfagging suck cock by choice. Feel free to keep arguing with others on this, but I'm done.

My argument has always been skip the bill compleatly and just apply the laws already on the books correctly. You're the one that tried this retarded "it doesn't define anything when applied. what even is porn?" Shit.

 

[Balanced Boomer]

Age verification for porn makes sense. It's not like it's some novel, new idea. Growing up, you couldn't buy a Playboy at the convenience store if you were underaged, and there's no way in hell a child would have been allowed to set foot in a XXX adult video store without shit hitting the fan. That said, I'm skeptical about how effective it is in regards to the Internet.

Let me show you what I mean.



This is what it looks like trying to access Pornhub if you're in a state using age authentication, this particular example being Texas. Now look at what happens if you go to Rule34.



I had to crop pretty much everything because it's all porn all day when you scroll past this point. You think that's bad though, look what happens if you use a Texas connection and do a general image search for "porn" on Google.

Spoiler

These are just a couple of examples, by the way. A bored, unsupervised kid left to his own devices could probably find way more shit than this, and I wouldn't be surprised if porn hosts that got flagged for this shit ended up pulling a trick similar to what the Chinese do on places like Amazon where they'd abandon the compromised URL and activate a mirror site with all the same material almost instantly, repeating the process ad nauseum anytime they attracted the wrong attention. My point is that, yeah, age verification is a sensible idea, but it's obviously not fucking working as intended and I've no idea what could be done to fix it that wouldn't involve massive government overreach.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

"It's okay for the government to slowly encroach further into your life because they've been doing it for years in literally every other aspect of your life."

Have you ever considered the possibility that the whole thing is a way to defer responsibility?

I'm fine with vices being regulated even up to criminality.
We've already seen what lolbert ideology does in regards to hardcore drug usage and it just leads to junkie zombies everywhere. Nobody likes Libertine's with the most notable example being Nick Rekieta.

pledit:
Using porn as an avenue for free speech is a losing battle imo. Gooners gross normal people out. It's the same as the lolicon argument when that used to be a free speech argument. Your concern is bad people stretching law to suit their wicked deeds but they already do that and have been doing that for ages.
You should be talking about hate speech laws and how that can be abused if you're that concerned for free speech since you're not American. It already happens via cancel culture where nig nogs lie about "nigger" usage to get a mob against that person and to absolve themselves of whatever crime they just committed but the places with hate speech laws are already committed to genocoding their local population over original sin of being White. For you it's your government arresting you for hate speech probably because they don't like being called out for the obvious two tier justice system.
Like they actively cover up the crimes committed by all the imported niggers like how the Biden admin and courts friendly to them let the most vicious criminals back onto the streets no questions asked both domestic and imported. You're not going to win in an argument against those kind of people because they want you dead and find it funny. They'll mental gymnastics themselves into a genuine logic error but still go ahead with it anyway.

It's not happening
Ok it's happening but it's a good thing.

 

[Postal_Rat]

I'm not sure you need to know this for sure. It's a legal standard to be argued in court, It's like You also don't know if you've harassed or defamed someone until you go to court.

we have different standards for criminal and civil courts, for example to lose a case in criminal court you need to be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, to lose a case in civil court you only need preponderance of evidence aka the judge is 51% sure. You should absolutely know if you're guilty before hand. you have a right to adequate council people have gotten mistrials declared over inadequate council, and part of having adequate council is knowing whether you should prepare a defense at all or just throw yourself on the mercy of the courts.

Regardless, 99% of porn videos on the internet are crystal clear and the defendent wouldn't be wondering if they failed and everyone knows it.

True most of the time it doesn't wind up mattering though if you start looking through obscenity cases you will find the results are wildly inconsistent. The government charges people with obscenity like once every ten years because they can't be sure what the average person will think about anything especially when prison time is on the line.

 

[King George III]

but why allow native americans to have an exemption to drug laws allowing them to have peyote or the endangered species act allowing them to have eagle feathers

So they'll maybe shut the fuck up and go back to their firewater and meth. I joke, but in all seriousness, most tribes these days have their own drug laws. Getting arrested and convicted for drugs is very bad for them, they get kicked out of the tribe and kicked off the reservation. So long hunting & fishing rights, goodbye monthly government money, and sayonara any Tribal Gaming Profit Sharing.

 

[Betonhaus]

so we bringing the what SA farmers over yet?

 

[pyrogon]

so we bringing the what SA farmers over yet?

Do they even want to leave?

 

[X Prime]

also a zoomer and this is true 99% of zoomer "humor" revolves around porn or sex

The issue I find isn't so much that the zoomers are horny or whatever, the issue is that much of what is fixated upon by that cohort seems to be disgusting or abnormal.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Based Orange Man taking the pajeets to the cleaners.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

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[Tanuki Mixed Nuts]

The entire thing with porn/IDs online etc. is a bit of a weird issue, as ultimately banning porn won't solve the societal rot that has lead to the proliferation/acceptance of an overly sexualized world. I'm of the mind that children really shouldn't be accessing the internet without supervision either way, and even into your teens you can be very easily taken advantage of or just looped into porn-sick brainrot. That said, the real and ultimate solution would be to just bring back shame. Shame as a tool is effectively gone from our society outside of racism/sexism accusations, and really needs to come back.

Shame is a healthy, self regulating emotion to feel, and a complete lack of it leads to diaper wearing weirdos shitting in pools, open and loud appreciation for lolicon on twitter/bluesky, or shit like spouting retarded libshit talking points in literally every conversation with family members.

But no, everyone is so therapy-brained when talking about shame, that its all about feeling only good about yourself, even if you should feel ashamed.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

The problem is, they aren't just "asking for your ID" like a bouncer, they're storing your ID. They will then associate everything on your account with you personally and when that data is leaked, the company may have to pay a fine but so what, the damage is going to go well beyond that. As nice as it is to say "Well they shouldn't be looking at that stuff," that boils down to the same argument of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear." Which doesn't hold up.

When I buy booze they scan my State ID and a government provided system tells them if I am ok to buy booze. They don't keep my ID on file.

Why couldn't this be made available to adult content providers? No, I won't provide you my ID Mr. Pornsite, I will however provide it to GovIDCheck.GOV and it'll return an API call saying yes or no, and rather than my ID you can just store that. Mandate a reasonable re-check (my local candy store cards me every time despite knowing me, cause they have to) of say, once every 14 or 30 days, and we're good. Problem solved. (Right now they take a credit card and put a $1 hold on it to do more or less the same thing.)

The only catch is, this would create a small stumbling block on getting access to the porn, and as an addictive vice, that's a no go. They NEED you to be thinking with your dick and click click click rather than being pulled out of it to be carded.

Edit: Realization: They could do this to keep kids off of Twitter, force safesearch mode on, and keep them out of 18+ Discords, too.

 

[DumbDude43]

But if they import it, they can buy exactly 1 and still steal US tech.

trying to reverse engineer a piece of machinery from scratch by just looking at the thing is a very very difficult task.
having access to the factory where it is produced along with instructions on how to produce it and a bunch of people trained in producing it makes it much more feasible.

 

[Dumbledore's Onlyfans]

trying to reverse engineer a piece of machinery from scratch by just looking at the thing is a very very difficult task.
having access to the factory where it is produced along with instructions on how to produce it and a bunch of people trained in producing it makes it much more feasible.

If they don't change their trade laws, they won't get any more customers giving up their secrets to be manufactured in China. If they do change their trade laws, they'll not only get designs spoon-fed to them, they'll also be able to import items that aren't manufactured in China and reverse engineer them if they so desire.

Trade barriers: no free designs, no reverse engineering possibilities

Remove trade barriers: free designs, and opportunities for reverse engineering

 

[Dr J]

The idea that requiring an ID to access porn will 100% for certain lead to the entire internet requiring an ID just to shitpost seems like such a massive stretch.

Yes. Let's just ignore that Hillary Clinton, Nikki Haley, various EU ministers and other Globalist pieces of shit have all said, more than once, that they'd really rather you weren't anonymous on the internet.

Let's also just forget that, when the Conservative Party in Britain got a bee in their bonnet about people being able to access porn on the internet, to the point that they strong-armed the ISPs into providing content blockers on the ISP side (even though the ISPs repeatedly told them that's not really their job), David Cameron started wondering aloud about what other websites could be blocked, using the same system.

Anybody cheering this on because of their personal disgust or distaste for pornography is a fucking idiot. Pornography is just the lever they use to implement totalitarian control.

 

[Overly Serious]

I'd personally rather a law that porn sites are, by default, blocked and have to be opt in to even be able to see them.

I don't think a law is required for that. Most ISPs I know of, at least in my country, have a filter service that parents can opt in or out of according to their wishes. All the mainstream ISPs have that at least.

IMO what should be done is to have a service which provides a verification of being over 18 but no more. So for people familiar with single-sign on methods like SAML, you'll already understand the principle. Server A is a verification service and to them you'd register and provide some form of ID to prove your age. Server B is the adult-orientated site. When you connect to B it redirects you to A with a token to identify the request. Server A confirms its you by a password or whatever, and sends you back to Server B with a new token verifying you're over 18 but no further identifying information. Just a "I checked them and they are".

The adult orientated site knows nothing about you (that you don't give it yourself) and the verification service A can be audited to ensure it's not keeping logs of where requests came in from.

This provides an approach whereby age verification can exist on sites without those sites requiring ID from you. This technology exists and is widespread. In fact, it's already being used for these purposes I think, except with one significant flaw - Google is playing the third party and there's fuck all auditing or deleting of logs going on. Provide a neutral and audited third party that committed to privacy and you'd have a workable system.

EDIT: Partially ninja'd by @HTTP Error 404 . Yes, it can be done and this is how you do it. The technology is already widely used for Single Sign On services.

 

[Dr J]

Racial slurs and spicy political takes are covered by the First Amendment and always has been

You cannot possibly be this naive.

Firstly, the First Amendment only protects your right not to be penalised by the Government for your speech. No such protection exists for private enterprise. If everything you ever posted on this website was tied to your real name and face, and it got leaked, do you really think you'd have a job on Monday?

Secondly, as demonstrated by the Biden Administration, the government can get around the First Amendment when they've got a political axe to grind and they want you badly enough. They tried to throw a meme maker in jail because his meme humiliated them. They branded hundreds of protestors as 'insurrectionists' and threw them in prison without trial. They even tried to throw the former President of the United States in prison, partly by claiming that telling people to watch a hearing on C-Span and telling the Georgia Secretary of State to do his fucking job was in furtherance of seditious conspiracy.

By creating the framework for the government to identify you by your online activity, you are giving them the ability to do this stuff so much more easily. And it won't even stop porn or children from accessing porn. Any idiot can make porn.