US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Glowing In The Streets]

nigga the us army literally sent armies to prosecute the mormon religion, put german and japanese americans in concentration camps during war, and passed the patriot act

this essentially doesnt exist lol

You dont really have to go that far.
Ruby Ridge started cuz feds didnt like that a guy lived in the forest and missed an appointment he didnt knew he had (thanks USPS!)
Waco stuff.
How about changing election law, bypassing the legislature, and making offices to certify results independently but if they refuse they are jailed.
NSA funsies
Mk Ultra and experiments on civilians
Arguably, Epstein links to politicians and the coverup

Do people even remember covid-19? Who owned the lab it leaked and why they engineered that shit

 

[mindlessobserver]

based off the books i read about it, it was primarily due to the church's practice of polygamy and the threat of Mormons being more loyal to the Church than to the usa. im not a scholar ofc.

i do think the argument in reynolds v. United States, 1879 about polygamy being a banned religious practice makes sense but why allow native americans to have an exemption to drug laws allowing them to have peyote or the endangered species act allowing them to have eagle feathers

No. The Mormons actively fought against the United States. They thought that they could form a new zion out in the territories of the USA secured from France and Mexico.

They then began to exercise sovereignty. The Mountain Meadows massacre was the last straw. Not only were the Mormons doing a LARP about their new zion, now they were killing Americans in cold blood and severing Washington DC from its holdings in California and Oregon.

The US Army was sent in. Not to suppress religion. But to assert America's sovereignty over its own interior. And to also find the Mormons responsible for the Mountain Meadows massacre. Alas, the civil war interrupted proceedings. So when the Feds finally got around to it, only one of the Mormons responsible for the Utah War was tied to a post, presented to the firing squad and executed.

 

[tehpope]

Jesus wept, the fucking rustfags have infiltrated everything, haven't they? Do you honestly expect people involved in the premier troon language are going to possibly resist the urge to put tracers of some kind into TOR for certain "naughty places" (like KF, not for anything like CSAM, which they want to continue accessing)?

Its open source. You can look at the code. If trannies really put shitty code in, you have the ability to fork it

 

[Day of the Cope]

Americans would sooner have the the entire internet locked down to require your face constantly be in view of your webcam than have uncomfortable discussions with their children, but I understand.
It used to be "birds and the bees", but now it's "birds and the bees, bees and the bees, bird and the birds, the bees that used to be birds, the birds that used to be bees, the birds that look like bees, and the bees that look like birds but they got a fucking stinger."

 

[moocow]

Its open source. You can look at the code. If trannies really put shitty code in, you have the ability to fork it

Remind me again what's wrong with forking and improving the existing implementation? Sounds like the standard "ooooh new toy let's rewrite for no reason!" bullshit rustoids are hung up on.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Americans would sooner have the the entire internet locked down to require your face constantly be in view of your webcam than have uncomfortable discussions with their children, but I understand.
It used to be "birds and the bees", but now it's "birds and the bees, bees and the bees, bird and the birds, the bees that used to be birds, the birds that used to be bees, the birds that look like bees, and the bees that look like birds but they got a fucking stinger."

The entire Internet isn't porn. Euros already blocked off everything not a 5-eyes fed honeypot over speech.
A lot of States Every State already regulates vices requiring you to show ID for them. Porn just slipped under the radar since old people didn't care about the Internet until 2016 because they believe 4chan got Trump elected and they want to control and censor everything because of that.

"because 1 person thinks a statue is porn that means there's no consensus on what porn is whatsoever" actual retard cope and not the standard of the policy. if you show 99% of porn videos to literally anyone there will be no question if they're porn.

That argument usually leads to the coomer talking about medical anatomical figures being porn. At that point they just need to be shot because they're on the verge of becoming a serial killer.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

There are people who believe Michelangelo's David to be pornographic.

"because 1 person thinks a statue is porn that means there's no consensus on what porn is whatsoever" actual retard cope and not the standard of the policy. if you show 99% of porn videos to 99% of people there will be no question if they're porn.

It's far too vague, and SCOTUS has waffled back and forth on how strictly it was meant to be interpreted for decades. Whether something is "obscene" in their view practically comes down to whether they had a good bowel movement that morning. The standard as defined is useless.

do the majority of people view it as pornography? Does it actually show sex? outside of sexual arousal Is it otherwise useless?

these are not vague to anyone being honest, especially when applied to the vast majority of porn on the internet. the reluctance to enforce it does not mean the standard is not met.

One of the more interesting arguments for the unconstitutionality of Obscenity laws is that it's often not even possible for the defendant to know if they are guilty and that they therefore can not prepare an adequate defense.

that seems like a retarded argument and can be applied to many crimes.

 

[northstar747]

One of the more interesting arguments for the unconstitutionality of Obscenity laws is that it's often not even possible for the defendant to know if they are guilty and that they therefore can not prepare an adequate defense.

The whole i know it when i see it.

There s also the issue that obscenity can be more than a sex response. The pearl clutching over music for example

 

[babadook]

I can't believe trump would do this

 

[Postal_Rat]

that seems like a retarded argument and can be applied to many crimes.

Generally speaking you may not know something is illegal but most laws can at least be broken down to something you specifically did without any subjectivity what so ever. Did you kill the guy? Did you transport that bird? Did you lie on your resume? Did you beat your spouse? After the charges are explained in a court of law you should be able to know with certainty whether or not you're guilty and be able to plan your defense and plea accordingly, but it's likely that you won't know if you failed prongs two and three of the miller test.

• Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value

Did you make something patently offensive and does it lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value? That's a question for which you may not be able to reasonably answer.

 

[Day of the Cope]

Every State already regulates vices requiring you to show ID for them.

"It's okay for the government to slowly encroach further into your life because they've been doing it for years in literally every other aspect of your life."

Have you ever considered the possibility that the whole thing is a way to defer responsibility?

 

[moocow]

these are not vague to anyone being honest, especially when applied to the vast majority of porn on the internet.

Nonsense. There are plenty of instances of excessive prosecution using these vague definitions. I'm not really interested in arguing it further with someone claiming people are being "dishonest." It doesn't really belong in this thread anyway.

Like I said, people defending gov't-mandated ID for visiting a website and justify it via moralfagging suck cock by choice. Feel free to keep arguing with others on this, but I'm done.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

Generally speaking you may not know something is illegal but most laws can at least be broken down to something you specifically did without any subjectivity what so ever. Did you kill the guy? Did you transport that bird? Did you lie on your resume? Did you beat your spouse? After the charges are explained in a court of law you should be able to know with certainty whether or not you're guilty and be able to plan your defense and plea accordingly, but it's likely that you won't know if you failed prongs two and three of the miller test.

• Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value

Did you make something patently offensive and does it lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value? That's a question for which you may not be able to reasonably answer.

I'm not sure you need to know this for sure. It's a legal standard to be argued in court, It's like You also don't know if you've harassed or defamed someone until you go to court.

Regardless, 99% of porn videos on the internet are crystal clear and the defendent wouldn't be wondering if they failed and everyone knows it.

Like I said, people defending gov't-mandated ID for visiting a website and justify it via moralfagging suck cock by choice. Feel free to keep arguing with others on this, but I'm done.

My argument has always been skip the bill compleatly and just apply the laws already on the books correctly. You're the one that tried this retarded "it doesn't define anything when applied. what even is porn?" Shit.

 

[Balanced Boomer]

Age verification for porn makes sense. It's not like it's some novel, new idea. Growing up, you couldn't buy a Playboy at the convenience store if you were underaged, and there's no way in hell a child would have been allowed to set foot in a XXX adult video store without shit hitting the fan. That said, I'm skeptical about how effective it is in regards to the Internet.

Let me show you what I mean.



This is what it looks like trying to access Pornhub if you're in a state using age authentication, this particular example being Texas. Now look at what happens if you go to Rule34.



I had to crop pretty much everything because it's all porn all day when you scroll past this point. You think that's bad though, look what happens if you use a Texas connection and do a general image search for "porn" on Google.

Spoiler

These are just a couple of examples, by the way. A bored, unsupervised kid left to his own devices could probably find way more shit than this, and I wouldn't be surprised if porn hosts that got flagged for this shit ended up pulling a trick similar to what the Chinese do on places like Amazon where they'd abandon the compromised URL and activate a mirror site with all the same material almost instantly, repeating the process ad nauseum anytime they attracted the wrong attention. My point is that, yeah, age verification is a sensible idea, but it's obviously not fucking working as intended and I've no idea what could be done to fix it that wouldn't involve massive government overreach.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

"It's okay for the government to slowly encroach further into your life because they've been doing it for years in literally every other aspect of your life."

Have you ever considered the possibility that the whole thing is a way to defer responsibility?

I'm fine with vices being regulated even up to criminality.
We've already seen what lolbert ideology does in regards to hardcore drug usage and it just leads to junkie zombies everywhere. Nobody likes Libertine's with the most notable example being Nick Rekieta.

pledit:
Using porn as an avenue for free speech is a losing battle imo. Gooners gross normal people out. It's the same as the lolicon argument when that used to be a free speech argument. Your concern is bad people stretching law to suit their wicked deeds but they already do that and have been doing that for ages.
You should be talking about hate speech laws and how that can be abused if you're that concerned for free speech since you're not American. It already happens via cancel culture where nig nogs lie about "nigger" usage to get a mob against that person and to absolve themselves of whatever crime they just committed but the places with hate speech laws are already committed to genocoding their local population over original sin of being White. For you it's your government arresting you for hate speech probably because they don't like being called out for the obvious two tier justice system.
Like they actively cover up the crimes committed by all the imported niggers like how the Biden admin and courts friendly to them let the most vicious criminals back onto the streets no questions asked both domestic and imported. You're not going to win in an argument against those kind of people because they want you dead and find it funny. They'll mental gymnastics themselves into a genuine logic error but still go ahead with it anyway.

It's not happening
Ok it's happening but it's a good thing.

 

[Postal_Rat]

I'm not sure you need to know this for sure. It's a legal standard to be argued in court, It's like You also don't know if you've harassed or defamed someone until you go to court.

we have different standards for criminal and civil courts, for example to lose a case in criminal court you need to be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, to lose a case in civil court you only need preponderance of evidence aka the judge is 51% sure. You should absolutely know if you're guilty before hand. you have a right to adequate council people have gotten mistrials declared over inadequate council, and part of having adequate council is knowing whether you should prepare a defense at all or just throw yourself on the mercy of the courts.

Regardless, 99% of porn videos on the internet are crystal clear and the defendent wouldn't be wondering if they failed and everyone knows it.

True most of the time it doesn't wind up mattering though if you start looking through obscenity cases you will find the results are wildly inconsistent. The government charges people with obscenity like once every ten years because they can't be sure what the average person will think about anything especially when prison time is on the line.

 

[King George III]

but why allow native americans to have an exemption to drug laws allowing them to have peyote or the endangered species act allowing them to have eagle feathers

So they'll maybe shut the fuck up and go back to their firewater and meth. I joke, but in all seriousness, most tribes these days have their own drug laws. Getting arrested and convicted for drugs is very bad for them, they get kicked out of the tribe and kicked off the reservation. So long hunting & fishing rights, goodbye monthly government money, and sayonara any Tribal Gaming Profit Sharing.

 

[Betonhaus]

so we bringing the what SA farmers over yet?

 

[pyrogon]

so we bringing the what SA farmers over yet?

Do they even want to leave?

 

[X Prime]

also a zoomer and this is true 99% of zoomer "humor" revolves around porn or sex

The issue I find isn't so much that the zoomers are horny or whatever, the issue is that much of what is fixated upon by that cohort seems to be disgusting or abnormal.