Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

SBG said:
He's still refusing to act like Russia is attacking Ukraine and the talk of wanting to walk away from peace talks is a bad sign as he never even tried ramping up pressure on Russia first even though he was willing to when against Ukraine.
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If being extremely charitable and deserved rainbow bait, he is doing that to give Putin a face saving out. Due to Putin being the one with the nukes, asiatic small man syndrome and tendency to sperg out.
 
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MIC Shill said:
Trump is becoming incredibly irritated lately, from walking away from peace talks, straight up ignoring Israel, I genuinely think he's done fucking around.
Or maybe not, we'll see.
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Nothing ever happens until it does. Even if I sperg out occasionally about the orange retard, nobody is beyond redemption. Hell, not even Putin. He can just ACK himself, right now.
 
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Fatsuit Shinji said:
If being extremely charitable and deserved rainbow bait, he is doing that to give Putin a face saving out. Due to Putin being the one with the nukes, asiatic small man syndrome and tendency to sperg out.
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It is very possible that's the case.

But as I've said in the past, there needs to be both a carrot and a stick used; and we've mostly only seen Trump trying to use carrots when it comes to Putin.

So I'm going to stay semi-hopeful that Trump actually does something significant regarding Sanctions like what Graham has proposed, but I won't be shocked if Trump chickens out a bit due to whatever dream he has of being friends with Putin.

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This stuff is just embarrassing at this point.
 
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Snekposter said:
One of the main advantages of the BMP is that it can float, and we can see how well that's worked out for it in Ukraine. Trading flotation and even a small degree of mobility for armor is the right thing to do in this conflict.
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Sun Tzu once said “Better a sitting duck with 5 inches of solid armor than a floating duck with none.”

Crazy how specific some of his stuff was.
 
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Vince McMahon said:
What exactly is he playing at? Is he playing at anything?
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I think he's probably trying to score a "win" as quickly as he can, like he tried with India-Pakistan this week. Since the latter failed, I believe he'd like to secure at least one war done and dusted to at least recoup some international standing (that he burned himself with his actions during these past few months).
 
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Downloads won't embed for me, but basically an explosion in a Kremlin flat severely injures a Kremlin employed electrician Mikhail Mukhin. The smell was reportedly of gunpowder, not gas, as gas explosions are rare in Moscow, given how it is supplied there. Professor Tim Wilson, a media personality and sometime politician who was a professor for Moscow State Pedagoglical University thinks this is an internal strike on sorts against Putin, of a piece with the limo explosion. Wilson thinks it unlikely we will ever be enlightened on it.

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@osinttechnical states that Zelensky will wait in Turkey for Putin to see if he wants to talk

If that's true, it suggests that the Ukrainian President is making sure that people see that it is not him wanting to prolong the war. Preston Stewart would agree with that.

Preston Stewart: There's no indication that Putin actually wants the war in Ukraine to be resolved. Once again Russia denied a Ukrainian ceasefire proposal by pressing their own terms for talks at later date. At some point, after so many options have been rejected, it has to be considered that Putin doesn't actually want peace and that war is better for him personally. We've seen this throughout history, so it's nothing new. A nation goes to war, the leader acquires new powers over the people and the end to the conflict risks them losing those abilities. We've seen dictators before decide a constant state of war is better for them than even a beneficial peace settlement.​

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Sigh. I thought we had finally reached the "Peace negotiations with Russia are fake and gay" stage; now we're back tracking?
How did the fucking Jeets come to armistice before the Slavs?

No. 7 cat said:
Downloads won't embed for me, but basically an explosion in a Kremlin flat severely injures a Kremlin employed electrician Mikhail Mukhin. The smell was reportedly of gunpowder, not gas, as gas explosions are rare in Moscow, given how it is supplied there. Professor Tim Wilson, a media personality and sometime politician who was a professor for Moscow State Pedagoglical University thinks this is an internal strike on sorts against Putin, of a piece with the limo explosion. Wilson thinks it unlikely we will ever be enlightened on it.
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Counter point: that's how gas is delivered in the US and we still have the occasional gas explosion, especially when electric sparks are involved.
And I would assume a Putin residence would have some hardening & sound-proofing in the plenum spaces. Also curious who the witnesses are that are familiar with the smell of gunpowder.

The Limo, on the other hand...

No. 7 cat said:
If that's true, it suggests that the Ukrainian President is making sure that people see that it is not him wanting to prolong the war. Preston Stewart would agree with that.
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Putin needs Ukraine to be a victory or he doesn't survive politically. As long as Russia keeps nibbling at small towns, he can pitch his war as an ongoing slow victory, any hardships as the fault of the western globohomo that he is saving them from. The difficulty of taking down a country 1/4th their size is solely due to the 10 million polish-french NATO mercenaries. Kursk is just residents being evacuated for their own safety with the warlike hohols at the borders.

None of the shortages are affecting the top tier. Putins dacha's are still just as splendid, he doesn't need western imports to stock them with fresh bussy.

SBG said:
Really just looks like Trump trying to weasel his way out of the ultimatum he'd reportedly agreed to regarding sanctions. Kicking the can down the road again rather than accept he needs to actually do something himself.
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SBG said:
Probably a way to pretend they're willing to work towards a peace deal without having to actually engage in a ceasefire the way countries are demanding be done or else Russia gets stronger sanctions against it.

I doubt France, the UK and others would buy Putin's nonsense, so really is on Trump as to whether he'd be willing to do stronger sanctions or not. Since he has been more than a little reluctant to do anything that might upset Putin.
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The US isn't the country importing billions in Russian oil & gas. US Factories & powerplants don't offline if Russian imports stop.

Snekposter said:
One of the main advantages of the BMP is that it can float, and we can see how well that's worked out for it in Ukraine. Trading flotation and even a small degree of mobility for armor is the right thing to do in this conflict.
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The M113 is an APC though. The BMP is a deathtrap IFV.
The floatation is less about using it for a day on the lake and more "If it won't sink in a river, it won't sink too deep in mud"

Something Awful said:
Wow, the U.S. won WW II on May 8? Kind of mean of them to still nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki months later.
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The CIA used their remote viewers to give Truman a look at the future and development of Anime. The order to bomb japan came that afternoon.
 
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Optimus Prime said:
So, apparently Putin is saying he's open to having talks with Ukraine again, probably the same ol delaying tactic now that Kursk got invaded again.
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I reckon same ol' bullshit, just so Tuckers of this world could say "Russia wants piece, it's that CIA plant Zelenskyyyyyy who refuses to talk, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CARDS!"
Ghostse said:
How did the fucking Jeets come to armistice before the Slavs?
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Even they must have... redeeming qualities.
 
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The India Pakistan war ended so soon compared to the one up north was because both New Delhi and Islamabad knows all along that both sides can't afford a war, especially a ground one. That's why the exchange was limited to aerial battles and bombing missions with a sprinkle of gunfire exchanges here and there. But neither can't be the one who start the ceasefire talk because doing so would admit defeat. This is where the US served as an exit for both sides to claim victory while ending the war.

Now what's with Russian and Ukraine? Well the answer is obvious, Putin does not want to end the war. It's a combination of paranoid delusion and sunk cost fallacy. Even without the nukes flying, the genie is out of the bottle and Putin can't afford to end the war not until Ukraine is completely gone. Even if this will cost the entire Russia as both the country and the nation
 
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Rezza said:
The India Pakistan war ended so soon compared to the one up north was because both New Delhi and Islamabad knows all along that both sides can't afford a war, especially a ground one. That's why the exchange was limited to aerial battles and bombing missions with a sprinkle of gunfire exchanges here and there. But neither can't be the one who start the ceasefire talk because doing so would admit defeat. This is where the US served as an exit for both sides to claim victory while ending the war.

Now what's with Russian and Ukraine? Well the answer is obvious, Putin does not want to end the war. It's a combination of paranoid delusion and sunk cost fallacy. Even without the nukes flying, the genie is out of the bottle and Putin can't afford to end the war not until Ukraine is completely gone. Even if this will cost the entire Russia as both the country and the nation
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Putin got big pockets, an even bigger ego and no regard for common sense
 
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Ghostse said:
The M113 is an APC though. The BMP is a deathtrap IFV.
The floatation is less about using it for a day on the lake and more "If it won't sink in a river, it won't sink too deep in mud"
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That's fair, but I'd still consider the mud less of a risk than getting droned, and the guys actually using them seem to concur. You can drive around mud but you can't drive around an FPV drone.
ANF said:
tfw even hindus are whiter than us
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Maybe Hitler was on to something when he started talking them up as fellow Aryans but actively shat on the Slavs...
 
ANF said:
tfw even hindus are whiter than us
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I thought whites were the ones that are obsessed with starting frivolous wars over tiny pieces of dirt, and viewing bazillions of men dying as the pinnacle display of honor for one's country. Games like HOI4 and EU4 are dominated by a western, not Asian audience.
 
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