US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
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Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[Butt_Pouncer]

Do you guys let your kids walk into sex toy shops? Then why would you give them
unmonitored internet access and then blame the site owners for your lack of attention to what your kids are up to? Porn or not there is bad shit on the internet nowadays your kids don’t need to see.

Dont you get it? Its because setting up parental controls and securing your network is too hard, too much time. Parents are quick to point out the societal rot but are too lazy and willfully ignorant or straight up retarded to do their one job, parent their own kids. Theyd rather have the same government who was fine with giving puberty blockers to kids to parent their own children. The boot licking is nauseating

 

[>IMPLYING]

I object to this characterization. I think some do understand the concern, they just do not find it compelling enough.

Further, can you really blame ascribing ulterior motives to the pro-porn-by-unfortunate-coincidence position when it turns out to often actually be true?

I don't really follow a ton of cows to see that, mostly political ones. I think there were more than a few cases where people making pro-child porn arguments such as Vaush and Destiny were exposed as outright degenerates, but I'd argue that CP is indefensible in any form anyway.

Personally I put mental quotation marks around the word "pro" when it comes to "Pro"-porn side. It's less they're approving of the existence of such material, and more they're opposed to its banning and restricting because it'd necessitate the government's involvement on the internet (though maybe they have nothing to worry about ultimately, if the UK's new ruling yet ease of access to this site is any indication).

IRL it was easy to cordon off sections of stores where the 'adult' material was on display and whatnot, but a similar approach to the internet is a tad more difficult. ISPs can block access to adult sites if you request it, but it's usually drawn from a list and doesn't encompass the entire internet, and it differs by ISP. And even on websites that should be safe (youtube, twitch, roblox, tiktok), people still try to skirt the edge of what's acceptable to show kids. If it's present on every square inch of the internet, then you'd need to basically restrict all of it, which considering this website is a pretty good news aggregate and banning its users from accessing it is in the interest of my government, I'm understandably conflicted on.

The argument that parents need to be better parents is one I find personally compelling. In the UK News thread, I also posited that parents don't want to hold the blame on themselves for why their kid became a fuck-up/murderer/whatever, and will often pin the blame on something/someone else in order to ease their own conscience. You see it all the time in America too "he a gud boy, he dindu nothin'", etcetera. Make parents more accountable, for starters, and make it acceptable to discuss the actual negative effects of porn (for now, how it might lead to one becoming trans is taboo) and you should see certain problems become mitigated.

 

[browserbowser]

I do not believe that pornography is the canary in the coal mine for free speech.

I certainly did not say it was you illiterate fucking retard.

Most people are not making that argument. The argument is that it will be much worse than 'the canary in the coal mine for free speech' much like the Patriot Act was much worse than 'people getting spied on by NSA agents'.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Is the porn ID requirement any different from these things? If so why? And why do you figure that this law is the back door to tyranny compared to say needing ID for booze.

Because it's on the internet. That's the big thing.
Porn is good! =/= Restricting access to it is bad.
Whilst these arguments do appear to support one another, the big asterisk is that the IDs for booze and to drive a car are outside the home, whereas restricting certain things on the internet brings the government into your home, yeah, because they need to see all your internet traffic to see what sites your accessing to make judgement on whether you're accessing illegal content or not. It's the worst-case scenario of what such a restriction would allow, but that's my understanding of it.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

You could always just go to an adult store and buy a porno dvd

 

[JustSomeDong]

no one's really responded to it or my points within.

But, there has been quite a bit of "discussion" about most of those points. Personally, I think the boot coming down on us all is absolutely inevitable, anyways, and no amount of REEEEEing here or anywhere else is going to do anything about it. But I don't have to like it. And I don't have to like gooners, either.

On a powerlevelish note, I'm glad my gramps caught me when I found my uncles old porno stash in his shed when I was a kid, before this whole fancy newfangled internet thing, and TALKED to me about what it was, and why I should probably avoid it. My uncle being kind of a shitbag helped reinforce it, too. So, I've never had much use for porn, because of that. And I thank God and my Granddad for this, because the coomer rabbit hole is fucking horrifying to me. The fact that the whole debate comes down to freedom of coomin and goonin is very disheartening.

 

[browserbowser]

because they need to see all your internet traffic to see what sites your accessing to make judgement on whether you're accessing illegal content or not. It's the worst-case scenario of what such a restriction would allow, but that's my understanding of it.

It would wipe for one thing the necessity of a warrant to weaponize your data against you and make it normalized for the government to have the capacity to, say, attach an AI to search with keyword detection for words like 'nigger' in any and all posts that are now attached to your real name with not even the figleaf of due process between you and suddenly, mysteriously, getting audited by the IRS every two years.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Apologies for necroing a debate but you have to use a ID to get a Uphold/Coinbase/any crypto account. Why would a site that'll want payment details would not want a ID so that they could verify the person paying for it. All I'm saying is porn is better when you have to physically to pay for it but when you have unfettered access to it, it'll be a extreme that is comparable to a addiction to drugs if not exactly like an addiction.

 

[Nihil Jung]

Massie is an antisemite but not because of his foreign aid policy which is standard lolbert shit. It's because he follows antisemites on twitter and refuses to meet with Jewish constituents.

https://x.com/Awesome_Jew_/status/1845273585155199350

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and so on

Wanna makes jews seethe eternally? One lone goy figured out how with this one simple trick!

 

[TarragonRespecter]

It's not about the good of porn, it's about the bad of what that kind of legislation means. When the government is able to restrict internet access based on purely partisan morality you're opening the door to that same standard being applied when those same libs you're trying so hard to own are in power and you can be sure they're going to do the same thing to you. When they petition for mandatory government IDs to access some things on the internet, it's not long before that gets expanded to include more and more content. Governments do not give up or restrict their power, they always expand and abuse it.

While I do agree with you, the social decay caused by porn is exponentially faster and looks like it is worse than what the government can do in that time. The boogeyman that the "otherside is gonna do it to you if you do it", in reality, is fake and gay. They do this kinda stuff already and the nudges like this are less meaningful than you'd think. Because of that it does come down to the "good" of things in the end

And that's just talking about governments, that isn't even talking about risk adverse big tech companies. If the legislation is so vague that anything "objectionable" being shown to a minor is legally actionable they'll lock their websites down. You know how now you can't browse Youtube without an account because they force you to sign-in to view anything their jeet algorithm flags as 18+? Have fun putting in your government ID in order to view lolcow content on Youtube.

So because the risk adverse tech companies could do something we as a society should be paralyzed in fear and just not do anything? Isn't that worse than trying to stand up for something and being wrong?

Instagram makes you sign in if you wanna view virtually anything on there, 18+ or not. Tech companies can implement this with or without legislature. Bending the knee and sucking dick for porn isn't going to save you from the boot

 

[Cromwell]

Because it's on the internet. That's the big thing.
Porn is good! =/= Restricting access to it is bad.
Whilst these arguments do appear to support one another, the big asterisk is that the IDs for booze and to drive a car are outside the home, whereas restricting certain things on the internet brings the government into your home, yeah, because they need to see all your internet traffic to see what sites your accessing to make judgement on whether you're accessing illegal content or not. It's the worst-case scenario of what such a restriction would allow, but that's my understanding of it.

I see what you mean. I’m actually quite conflicted because I’ve seen a lot of good points made on both sides.

 

[JustSomeDong]

if people were really that concerned about ID verification to access porn sites, they would call their representatives about the legislation. I called my reps about a right to repair bill in my state (which passed) and doing that got me called all manner of bad names by anti-government types

I have tried this front, many times. I've never gotten anything but form letters and phone platitudes. You've had far better luck than I, here.

If people are too cowardly to stand by their convictions and participate in the political process, then fuck 'em.

You still have faith in the process. That is naive, at best. You have seen-and yourself posted and discussed plenty of examples of- the kind of shenanigans that get done in that process. You intellectually know better, but you still believe that fat fuck Santa is not going to shit in your stocking because we're all bad boys and girls, anyways. I kinda miss being this fresh faced and optimistic. We all still want to believe in Santa, at heart, I suppose. Youth is wasted on the young, and I'm starting to feel really fucking old.

 

[marvlouslie]

Personally I put mental quotation marks around the word "pro" when it comes to "Pro"-porn side. It's less they're approving of the existence of such material, and more they're opposed to its banning and restricting because it'd necessitate the government's involvement on the internet (though maybe they have nothing to worry about ultimately, if the UK's new ruling yet ease of access to this site is any indication).

See. This is it exactly. If you give the government an inch, they'll take two miles out of your ass and not give the courtesy of a reach around. It's not necessarily about protecting porn's right to exist, but my right as an individual to not be fucked in the ass by more government laws and regulations.

 

[blackface enthusiast]

Apologies for necroing a debate but you have to use a ID to get a Uphold/Coinbase/any crypto account. Why would a site that'll want payment details would not want a ID so that they could verify the person paying for it. All I'm saying is porn is better when you have to physically to pay for it but when you have unfettered access to it, it'll be a extreme that is comparable to a addiction to drugs if not exactly like an addiction.

Why the fuck is other people being irresponsible with something my problem? Why does my internet access need to be restricted and monitored and censored because of a few gooners? Where does this thinking come from?

The boogeyman that the "otherside is gonna do it to you if you do it", in reality, is fake and gay.

Have you just been asleep for the last 20 years of US politics or something?

Isn't that worse than trying to stand up for something and being wrong?

Bootlicking government censorship isn't standing up for something, it's being a weak bitch asking the government to regulate your life.

Bending the knee and sucking dick for porn

That's rich coming from the guy demanding big daddy government come regulate the internet for him.

 

[browserbowser]

the "otherside is gonna do it to you if you do it"

the fact that the Patriot Act ... it to fifteen years later be the legal apparatus through which the spying on Donald Trump's campaign, and debanking dissidents, was made possible,

Passed, endorsed, and fervently full-throated with no spitting defended by Republicans.

Libshits aren't the only retards who ignore history.

you have to use a ID to get a Uphold/Coinbase/any crypto account.

It would wipe for one thing the necessity of a warrant to weaponize your data against you

Don't know if you know this, but the government at this stage right now still has to at least pretend to have a reason to pull your identification data from any site and it is supposed to be for extreme legal reasons like terrorism, shit like that.

This would be the foot in the door to erase that barrier.

 

[Lian Xing]

Guys, it’s shrimple. Ban jews from the internet. No more porn, and no ID requirements.

 

[Storytime]

Why the fuck is other people being irresponsible with something my problem? Why does my internet access need to be restricted and monitored and censored because of a few gooners? Where does this thinking come from?

why the fuck do you think it would be the government in charge of it? it'd just be that porn sites would have to ask for ID or they would be illegal and that has nothing to do with it

 

[blackface enthusiast]

I see what you mean. I’m actually quite conflicted because I’ve seen a lot of good points made on both sides.

If we lived in this fantasy world where commies had been eradicated and the government wasn't retarded then I would have little problem with a porn ban that only bans porn on the internet, but we don't live in that world. This is more of an anti-government thing than a pro-porn thing.

 

[Cromwell]

You know, my grandma is STILL to this day pissed off about the fact that when she started driving seatbelts were optional, and now the government tells you that you have to wear them. Grandpa says she’s been complaining about it on a semi regular basis for the better part of 50 years.
I think a lot of you would get on very well with her. I think you share some values around regulation

 

[marvlouslie]

The boogeyman that the "otherside is gonna do it to you if you do it",

Motherfucker, did you just fall asleep at the wheel for the last four years? Biden was arresting people for mean things being said about him online. He was censoring doctors concerning COVID, he was going after Catholics. Holy shit, you people are fucking dumb. Really, really fucking dumb.