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One is for jerking off while the other is for gossip and criticism.
what if someone is jerking off to your gossip and criticism? better put an id in front of your posts to protect the children.

However, I have not yet seen anyone post any text from legislation in question which would accomplish that.
so where is the text in the patriot act that allows the NSA to do what it does? and if it's there, when and how was it added?

what really is mindboggling that you have several examples right in front of you, but you honestly seem to think this specific one won't be abused - for some reason. because the government suddenly will go "oh wait that's a step too far with an issue too important"? the same government officials who sign off on puberty blockers, trooning out kids and put men in women spaces? you think they really care about kids that much, and not the power it gives them? unless you believe only "the right guys" will be forever in government to not use it against you and only the other guys, but given this thread and your posts I doubt you're that shortsighted.

Check out the Lolicon/Shotacon Defenders thread sometime in Community Watch. It's an easy defense.

While I do not doubt there are people who use the defense for other topics, thus making their motives consistent, the problem is that if you look in that thread you will see what I am talking about regarding the tendency to use disingenuous defenses on this kind of debate topic.
you mean the thread with the movie-blob tier redditors jerking it to their self-righteousness? that's your example? "anti"-threads are a bad enough circlejerk more often than not, and that one's one of the worst, especially considering it's topic.
I'd be more concerned about the harddrive of those 2-cent dr.pizzas spending way too much time virtue-signaling constantly in that thread and than someone pointing out the slippery slope is real.

even if we entertain your point is right, it doesn't really matter. if a tranny says you shouldn't kick puppies, what you gonna do, kick puppies to prove him wrong because he's a troon?
not to mention there ARE already laws in place to deal with most of the issues people have (like exposing minors to porn) that somehow don't apply, what makes you think another one will, and won't be abused at all?
it's also dumb to assume just because someone arguing in context of a specific topic at the time makes him only care about that specific topic, or worse agree with said topic. "oh Wow, you don't wanna kick puppies? you must be a troon yourself!". you can be both against government overreach and for child-diddlers deserving scaphism, it's not a mutually exclusive position.
 
Trump is busy making sure his next tweet has enough haki to break the three gorges dam, probably laying out the chyna trade deal so the chinamen can't do givesies backsies and release covid-20:

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special contender could be suspending habeas and americans are allowed to round up illegals for sport, 500 a head when they get put on a plane.
 
I will never share your guys' hatred for porn. Personally, I just think it's a lot of kvetching on the Farms and Conservatives part. I grew up without internet porn and with internet porn and if you think it made a difference, it didn't. Determined children always found a nude magazine. You couldn't stop this. Heck, sometimes parents would just give their kids nude magazines. It wasn't uncommon. You had the XXX Rated TV channels giving blurry signals that kids stared at for hours hoping to see a little boob. I'm not saying there isn't any merit to making it difficult, because there absolutely is. However, any solution to this involves extreme government overreach and further overreach is just foolish. If you trust the government to do anything good with this information, or keep it secure, you're a damn fool. Government roadblocks are never a good thing and I don't know why that changes just because it's porn as opposed to anything else.
I say this because I have seen the effects of porn addiction from people I know personally. And even I am not arguing this on the desire for a flat out ban of porn.

Nothing about this is government overreach. You already have to show ID for shit like buying booze and weed online. Nothing about this is different.

If you are saying that it may cause government overreach boo hoo that's already happening. In fact, you should want this if you are concerned about it. Shit like SOPA/PIPA and COPPA were pushed because we have to operate under the assumption that the entire internet is accessible to children and thus has to be catered towards them. Half the legislation like it would have the wind taken out of the sails if we already age gated adult communities.

EDIT: Also, people have this idea that the only way to do this is to publicly display their full legal name, address and current masturbation streak and there is no way to anonymize/encrypt the data for user privacy.
 
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It's the dumbest fucking faggoty RINO loser thinking that people are stuck in. "We can't ever pass legislature because it could be misused or lead to list keeping so we have to keep degenerate immoral behavior. That causes more immoral behavior"
I know that using the UK as an example is anathema to Americans, but the bill remaining true to its original purpose/intent would require the party that passed it to remain in power in perpetuity. I made mention in my other post about how it was the Conservative government in the UK who passed the safety and order act in '86 which would eventually allow people to get arrested for their online comments. In '94, is was made even more restrictive by the next Conservative government. When Labour eventually came to power, despite their opposition to the bill at the time, instead of repealing it, they would go on to amend it and make it even more restrictive in nature, somehow being used as a foundation to make it harder to deport foreign criminals in 2008 whilst also making it difficult to even criticise Islam (it covered 'every' religious group but only one seems protected by it) in 2006.

The Patriot Act was voted against down party lines, but did the Democrats overturn it? No. The opposition to the party will find some means to use it to their own benefit, perhaps expanding it beyond its original purpose. Hating porn, but fearing consequences from involving the government on whether individuals can access it online, are both valid positions to hold considering past precedents.
 
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Trump is busy making sure his next tweet has enough haki to break the three gorges dam, probably laying out the chyna trade deal so the chinamen can't do givesies backsies and release covid-20:

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special contender could be suspending habeas and americans are allowed to round up illegals for sport, 500 a head when they get put on a plane.
if he puts an atomic bomb on the dam, can we call it a literal truth nuke?
 
so where is the text in the patriot act that allows the NSA to do what it does? and if it's there, when and how was it added?

what really is mindboggling that you have several examples right in front of you, but you honestly seem to think this specific one won't be abused - for some reason. because the government suddenly will go "oh wait that's a step too far with an issue too important"? the same government officials who sign off on puberty blockers, trooning out kids and put men in women spaces? you think they really care about kids that much, and not the power it gives them? unless you believe only "the right guys" will be forever in government to not use it against you and only the other guys, but given this thread and your posts I doubt you're that shortsighted.
I find it hard to take you seriously when you follow it up with this:
you mean the thread with the movie-blob tier redditors jerking it to their self-righteousness? that's your example? "anti"-threads are a bad enough circlejerk more often than not, and that one's one of the worst, especially considering it's topic.
Let me ask this question: do you think lolicon and shotacon porn should be banned? Or is that free speech, too?
 
Trump is busy making sure his next tweet has enough haki to break the three gorges dam, probably laying out the chyna trade deal so the chinamen can't do givesies backsies and release covid-20:

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special contender could be suspending habeas and americans are allowed to round up illegals for sport, 500 a head when they get put on a plane.
trump is well known for his truthfulness and reliability, i'm sure it's gonna be super important
 
I find it hard to take you seriously when you follow it up with this:

Let me ask this question: do you think lolicon and shotacon porn should be banned? Or is that free speech, too?
does it matter? or let me put it this way, do you think kicking puppies makes you a troon?
and if you stopped reading there, there's even more follow-up you conveniently ignored.

nice deflection btw, now show me those excerpts from the patriot act.

Nothing about this is government overreach. You already have to show ID for shit like buying booze and weed online. Nothing about this is different.
post your porn history or other shameful things you did in the past, unless you think buying booze and weed is equally "bad"
it's the same retarded take as "hurr it won't affect you if you got nothing to hide", followed by "hurr you're already getting fucked unlubed, what's taking it an inch deeper anyway".

porn addiction is almost always a symptom, not the cause. a government ban won't suddenly make those people "right" nor prevent it from fucking up their life in the future.
 
Let me ask this question: do you think lolicon and shotacon porn should be banned? Or is that free speech, too?
This, fellow kiwis, is what we like to call a "landmine question", since it relates to the admin of this very site

If you're going to brave it and actually answer this, tread lightly.
 

to all those I was arguing with about what chinas drone threat, this is the first piece of tech ive seen from an American based firm that gives me some real hope and confidence, especially the device they call "Lattice"

They have gotten a CnC ops room and server all within about 2 or 3 briefcases you can set up in mins instead of hours

Skilled operators at the front could use those to knock out entire enemy defense networks, forget the drones, how are you going to tell them to take off when your electrical grid is down?

Its dark warfare and it will get dirty and mean VERY FAST, I really hope this can be avoided but if it cant be we will need to be in a position to stop another nation or rouge actor from using this same threat against us.

Crops, water, electricity, those are a nations lifeblood and they are ALL networked now, to the last drop of water, bushel of wheat, iota of energy, its all connected to a giant networks and then networks within those networks. Warfare is going to become chasing a digital rabbit and when you catch him your reward is shattering a nations stability by its over reliance on computerization. Its a fate Id very much like to spare any nation from having to experience.
 
does it matter? or let me put it this way, do you think kicking puppies makes you a troon?
and if you stopped reading there, there's even more follow-up you conveniently ignored.

nice deflection btw, now show me those excerpts from the patriot act.
Yes, it does matter. Either you believe porn is free speech and that includes lolicon/shotacon, or you believe that some pornography is truly obscene and deserves banning - thus reinforcing the idea that porn is not 100% free speech. Or you have some galaxy-brained middle position which I'm curious to read.
 
Yes. Let's just ignore that Hillary Clinton, Nikki Haley, various EU ministers and other Globalist pieces of shit have all said, more than once, that they'd really rather you weren't anonymous on the internet.

Let's also just forget that, when the Conservative Party in Britain got a bee in their bonnet about people being able to access porn on the internet, to the point that they strong-armed the ISPs into providing content blockers on the ISP side (even though the ISPs repeatedly told them that's not really their job), David Cameron started wondering aloud about what other websites could be blocked, using the same system.

Anybody cheering this on because of their personal disgust or distaste for pornography is a fucking idiot. Pornography is just the lever they use to implement totalitarian control.
I'm seeing an awful lot of "muh UK" and "muh Democrats" but not a whole lot of alternatives to the ID proposition. At this rate we are going to have IDs for porn go through and you are just going to have to deal with it because It's people like you that are at fault. The Libertarian position of "just do nothing, accept the porn and start getting into gooning" is poison and retards don't understand that the people don't want to be as degenerate as they are. People want this issue solved and fear mongering about a situation that is frankly better than the situation we are in now is such a waste of time because you are accomplishing nothing, this is why the Libertarians have lost their support, they only want to tear things down with no alternatives or plans to make things better for people.

You're on a database but that database doesn't include information about your private sexual preferences and fetishes
People that are this worried about their disgusting sexual fetishes being leaked should maybe stop watching disgusting porn and fix their life. I saw someone say shame would be the best way to stop the porn problem and I think I have to agree. At this point I think we should have a database of everyone's sexual fetishes and porn they watched last and it should be accessible to anyone. If you don't like the sound of that then you have something to hide and you need to stop watching porn for your own health.
 
post your porn history or other shameful things you did in the past, unless you think buying booze and weed is equally "bad"
it's the same retarded take as "hurr it won't affect you if you got nothing to hide", followed by "hurr you're already getting fucked unlubed, what's taking it an inch deeper anyway".
Bro didn't even read the last half of the post, this is who I'm dealing with.
 
not a whole lot of alternatives to the ID proposition
The alternative is parent your fucking kids. There's nothing else that realistically can be done
If you don't like the sound of that then you have something to hide and you need to stop watching porn for your own health.
Do you hear yourself? 'You should have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide'. That's the George W Bush argument for mass surveillance.

Right to privacy isn't just about having something to hide. Everyone has curtains in their bedroom window, everyone's bathroom has doors with locks on them. Why? We know what goes on there. But everyone has those doors, everyone those curtains. Why? Because privacy is not secrecy. Just because you may or may not have something to hide doesn't mean that you should have to give up the right to want to.
 
post your porn history or other shameful things you did in the past, unless you think buying booze and weed is equally "bad"
it's the same retarded take as "hurr it won't affect you if you got nothing to hide", followed by "hurr you're already getting fucked unlubed, what's taking it an inch deeper anyway".

porn addiction is almost always a symptom, not the cause. a government ban won't suddenly make those people "right" nor prevent it from fucking up their life in the future.
You seem to have desires involving getting fucked by the federal government. Are you okay?

But also why is the internets so horny?
 
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