US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

No. The Mormons actively fought against the United States. They thought that they could form a new zion out in the territories of the USA secured from France and Mexico.

They then began to exercise sovereignty. The Mountain Meadows massacre was the last straw. Not only were the Mormons doing a LARP about their new zion, now they were killing Americans in cold blood and severing Washington DC from its holdings in California and Oregon.

The US Army was sent in. Not to suppress religion. But to assert America's sovereignty over its own interior. And to also find the Mormons responsible for the Mountain Meadows massacre. Alas, the civil war interrupted proceedings. So when the Feds finally got around to it, only one of the Mormons responsible for the Utah War was tied to a post, presented to the firing squad and executed.

Mormon history is unironically one of the more interesting yet lesser know parts of American history.
Straight up, just read into that shit. We have the Mormon Battalion Monument near ABQ, and dude the history of the Mormon Battalion is nuts.
When I say they’re basically White People Nice Islamists, it’s real. They did goon shit following a sketchy dude but, like Whites do, they got it out of their systems and chilled out.

 

[obsdj]

Apparently Fetterman wants to run for President instead of being a Senator and people on Bluesky are calling him to resign so he can do it.

Very obvious sarcasm. Dems are terrified of the guy remaining in office.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

That would actually help keep kids off 18+ shit, which is why certain people don't want it. I'm still confused why some users aren't peeved about needing an ID to fly or vote, but lose it at accessing porn.

You know what, I think I see the disconnect. Most of the people strongly advocating for the government to require ID to access porn sites seem to only mention it in the context of Pornhub or Xhamster or something. But the issue is about requiring an ID to access content that falls under the definition of "obscene". Not JUST porn. Something can be "obscene" and NOT be porn to goon too. Stinkditch pictures on this site, for example, are pretty fucking obscene by any definition.

You have to remember that we're basically telling the fucking morons on capitol hill to define what is obscene or not. Do you REALLY think Sen. Dumfuck is going to say "No, that's ok. We don't need to put Kiwifarms on the age check list. Those pictures of rotten neo vaginas are for criticism only, not jerking off to". They are wanting to expand the definion of what "obscene" is to modernize it for the internet. How much shit do you think is going to be called obscene that isn't strictly porn?

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

The way to actually curtail pornography is to first enforce already existing laws. These companies knowingly host illegal rape, incest, and child pornography on their sites and servers. If the laws were enforced, the porn sites could not make money until they cleaned up their act on that front.
Second, there are laws to verify age. Those have been interpreted as the stupid “R U 18?” page, but hey I have to upload a pic of my ID to buy cigars online why shouldn’t it be the same for another 18-or-up vice?
The main thing stopping the older generations from major access to porn was the ID question, it was only physical shops that had it. Yeah people found their older brothers stash, but what we have now is a different level of exposure even compared to that.

 

[Jace on ice]

Fetterman and that Arizona astronaut guy would unironically be the democrats best option.

Can a white guy even get elected on the DNC's platform anymore? I mean Biden did but it took an unprecedented level of fraud and corruption to just barely get him over the finish line and the parties have only hardened along racial and gender lines since 2020.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

You know what, I think I see the disconnect. Most of the people strongly advocating for the government to require ID to access porn sites seem to only mention it in the context of Pornhub or Xhamster or something. But the issue is about requiring an ID to access content that falls under the definition of "obscene". Not JUST porn. Something can be "obscene" and NOT be porn to goon too. Stinkditch pictures on this site, for example, are pretty fucking obscene by any definition.

You have to remember that we're basically telling the fucking morons on capitol hill to define what is obscene or not. Do you REALLY think Sen. Dumfuck is going to say "No, that's ok. We don't need to put Kiwifarms on the age check list. Those pictures of rotten neo vaginas are for criticism only, not jerking off to". They are wanting to expand the definion of what "obscene" is to modernize it for the internet. How much shit do you think is going to be called obscene that isn't strictly porn?

First they required ID to buy a gun and I said nothing. Then they required ID to buy alcohol and I said nothing. Then they required ID to buy cigarettes and I said nothing. Then they required ID to fly domestically, enter government buildings, pick up prescriptions, buy weed, vote, enter porn shops, and still I said jack diddley fuck all about American liberty.

But then they made it harder for children to access porn sites and now I'm big mad!!!

Do you see now why you're a retard? Or are you never gonna see it?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The fourth round of nuclear talks between Iran and the US in Oman has ended. At the same time, the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman posted a short time ago, "Iran is firmly determined to realize its right to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes while being ready to ensure that this is a peaceful nuclear program. We are equally determined to work towards lifting the sanctions."


The Iranian Foreign Minister summed up today's talks as "difficult but fruitful," with the aim of "better understanding the parties' positions and finding reasonable and realistic ways to address the differences of opinion." The parties agreed on another round, the fifth in number.Translation: It seems that there are still significant gaps between Iran and the US in the nuclear talks.

US official tells AP: "Encouraged by round of talks with Iran."

 

[I Hate The Disabled]

I see a lot of people in this thread referring to porn as a vice, but isn’t it actually adultery, i.e. a sin? A vice would be something like drinking or gambling where it isn’t necessarily wrong but can lead to a sinful life if allowed to excess.

Since hentai is not of an actual person, does that count as adultery?

It's certainly not healthy, and does cause marital problems. It's really just one degree of separation from watching strangers have sex, in person.

I grew up with the internet, but was still blocked from watching porn because the computer was in a common room where I could be walked in on in any moment. Now a days, kids have unmonitored access 24/7. The responsibility to protect kids from degenerate shit on the internet falls on the parents.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

First they required ID to buy a gun and I said nothing. Then they required ID to buy alcohol and I said nothing. Then they required ID to buy cigarettes and I said nothing. Then they required ID to fly domestically, enter government buildings, pick up prescriptions, buy weed, vote, enter porn shops, and still I said jack diddley fuck all about American liberty.

But then they made it harder for children to access porn sites and now I'm big mad!!!

Do you see now why you're a retard? Or are you never gonna see it?

What about requiring ID to access Kiwifarms?

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

Fetterman and that Arizona astronaut guy would unironically be the democrats best option.

Him, Yang, or SAS would be the best options for moderates. No way in hell would the USA elect anyone close to socialist.

 

[DumbDude43]

my younger self would hate me for saying this but internet access should be a privilege of grown ups that is off limits to minors - like cars, cigarettes, alcohol, firearms.

 

[Cromwell]

explain to me how a war that was warned against by the government of israel is an israeli war

What I feel would help this make more sense is to understand the factions in the Israeli government. Basically there are two that matter. Those that believe that Israel can exist peacefully with its neighbours and those that don’t. This fact, in relation to Sharon and Netanyahu is explained quite succinctly in this 2002 article:

Sharon, who has been running a centrist coalition, has been more moderate than his Likud rank and file would like. He accepts the inevitability of a Palestinian state and has refused to expel Arafat from the West Bank. Netanyahu rejects the idea of a Palestinian state. He proposes to exile Arafat, disarm the Palestinian police, invade and occupy the major Palestinian towns to root out Hamas, and quickly complete a security fence around the West Bank. He doesn’t go as far as the ultra-rightists who would expel all Palestinians from the West Bank, but he has grabbed the heart of Likud.

If you DO believe that peace is possible with Arabs like Sharon did, what you want is a wall of Sunni Arab states between you and Iran. Saddam, while very threatening to Israel was a bit of a paper tiger. But he kept the Iranians out of his neighbourhood by god.
Now, if you don’t believe that peace is possible with the Arabs (cough cough Netanyahu) your strategic calculus is completely different. Israelis of this persuasion want the Arab states to be completely balkanised and internally weakened. The idea is that weakening these states to the point where they can’t threaten Israel any longer mitigates strategic encirclement by forever enemies.
Should you wish to look into this matter yourself you’re in luck.

The theory of perpetual conflict and divide and conquer starts to come into its own in the early 80s. The first articulation of this line of thought can be found in the 1982 article known as “The Yinon Plan”. It’s the first document I can find calling for balkanising the Arab states on religious grounds. It wasn’t a very detailed or specific policy and it reads more like the power fantasy of a Mossad Intelligence officer than a realistic strategy. What I personally find unrealistic about the Yinon plan is that it proposes a lot of things that Israel simply at that time didn’t have the resources to achieve on its own.

So here’s where it gets majorly juicy. Benjamin Netanyahu hired a neoconservative US think tank to basically write a corollary to the “Yinon Plan” called “A Clean Break: a New Strategy for Securing the Realm”. The Wikipedia article will give you a brief overview of you don’t want to read the whole thing. But basically, it’s similar to the Yinon plan but it solves the problem of resources by using “shared values” to convince American politicians that Israel interests are American interests. It calls for Israel and America to majorly destabilise Iraq and Syria. Hmm.
Richard Perle, the guy who drafted this plan for Bibi was a literal advisor to George W. Bush. I wish I was kidding. So while it makes complete sense that Sharon wasn’t onboard with this, it’s not difficult to imagine that this was done at the behest of another Israeli altogether.

 

[FieldPiece]

Just ban the internet for people under 18. Alternatively just revert the circumstances back to how they were before the internet. Want porn in the 80s? You gotta go buy it at a store. So just make it so there is a little code or something you have to buy one time to get access to porn sites. Or you know the government could just get off their ass and arrest pornographers the second they get a whiff that little Timmy got access to BigOlTiddies.com

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

That would actually help keep kids off 18+ shit, which is why certain people don't want it. I'm still confused why some users aren't peeved about needing an ID to fly or vote, but lose it at accessing porn.

I will never share your guys' hatred for porn. Personally, I just think it's a lot of kvetching on the Farms and Conservatives part. I grew up without internet porn and with internet porn and if you think it made a difference, it didn't. Determined children always found a nude magazine. You couldn't stop this. Heck, sometimes parents would just give their kids nude magazines. It wasn't uncommon. You had the XXX Rated TV channels giving blurry signals that kids stared at for hours hoping to see a little boob. I'm not saying there isn't any merit to making it difficult, because there absolutely is. However, any solution to this involves extreme government overreach and further overreach is just foolish. If you trust the government to do anything good with this information, or keep it secure, you're a damn fool. Government roadblocks are never a good thing and I don't know why that changes just because it's porn as opposed to anything else.

My point ultimately is, all you're doing by arguing about finer details is a wasted effort and you shouldn't trust the government, ever. That being said, there were some good ideas here. Permanent kids setting on phones is a brilliant idea and should've been implemented a long time ago. However, if you want to keep your kids from fapping to furry futanari hentai by 13, do the wise thing and keep them off the internet as long as possible. Your kid can't fap to SonicxTails inflation hentai if you don't have an Internet connection or have a limited one. Abstinence is best.

It's certainly not healthy, and does cause marital problems. It's really just one degree of separation from watching strangers have sex, in person.

The only reason I'd ever watch porn as a married man is if my wife wasn't having sex with me and I needed to tend to it myself. I don't really have any mercy for a husband or wife who complain about the other watching porn when the last time they had sex with their partner is a month ago. Which is something I've seen plenty of times on both ends. You don't get to deny one party sexual gratification and then get angry when they fulfill it themselves.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The body of the text continues in a relatively business as usual "India is butthurt after greatest offensyive saar, china saying it's numba 1, and America not making a shit deal."

The pajeets ran straight to Trump has well, but got to keep denying it, so Modi doesn't look weak.

 

[Betonhaus]

Do they even want to leave?

For some strange reason they really, really have no choice.

 

[I Hate The Disabled]

The only reason I'd ever watch porn as a married man is if my wife wasn't having sex with me and I needed to tend to it myself. I don't really have any mercy for a husband or wife who complain about the other watching porn when the last time they had sex with their partner is a month ago. Which is something I've seen plenty of times on both ends. You don't get to deny one party sexual gratification and then get angry when they fulfill it themselves.

It's preferable to cheating, true. I'm not going to lie and say that I never watch porn, either. It's that I tend to use my imagination rather than watching porn. I don't think porn should be banned. Just that parents should parent their kids and monitor their internet usage, not the government.

 

[California Newt]

I will never share your guys' hatred for porn. Personally, I just think it's a lot of kvetching on the Farms and Conservatives part. I grew up without internet porn and with internet porn and if you think it made a difference, it didn't.

Counterpoint: the entire Animal Control board.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The theory of perpetual conflict and divide and conquer starts to come into its own in the early 80s. The first articulation of this line of thought can be found in the 1982 article known as “The Yinon Plan”. It’s the first document I can find calling for balkanising the Arab states on religious grounds. It wasn’t a very detailed or specific policy and it reads more like the power fantasy of a Mossad Intelligence officer than a realistic strategy. What I personally find unrealistic about the Yinon plan is that it proposes a lot of things that Israel simply at that time didn’t have the resources to achieve on its own.

So here’s where it gets majorly juicy. Benjamin Netanyahu hired a neoconservative US think tank to basically write a corollary to the “Yinon Plan” called “A Clean Break: a New Strategy for Securing the Realm”. The Wikipedia article will give you a brief overview of you don’t want to read the whole thing. But basically, it’s similar to the Yinon plan but it solves the problem of resources by using “shared values” to convince American politicians that Israel interests are American interests. It calls for Israel and America to majorly destabilise Iraq and Syria. Hmm.
Richard Perle, the guy who drafted this plan for Bibi was a literal advisor to George W. Bush. I wish I was kidding. So while it makes complete sense that Sharon wasn’t onboard with this, it’s not difficult to imagine that this was done at the behest of another Israeli altogether.

im familiar with this

the problem is that this takes nuance and understanding that there are conflicting israeli factions and that the faction which was pro war with Iraq was simply not in power at the time and wouldn't be in power until 2009.

clean break comes from the first netanyahu PMship which was mostly a failure and led to netanyahus retirement. So we come to the conclusion that

>the Israeli faction that is pro clean break didnt exist from 99-2009 and they had no power during Bush
>the Israeli faction that is against clean break was in power during the bush presidency and warned Bush against it

at the very worst you can argue that iraq was pushed for by richard perle on behalf of a retired israeli politician who had no power at the time. still a far cry from "US fought iraq for israel"

people are going to continue spewing this bullshit that US fought iraq for israel because they're stupid tho

 

[Jace on ice]

I don't see this going anywhere frankly. Being vehemently anti porn is mostly confined to terminally online feminist/tradcon spheres.

Irl most people are either indifferent to pornography or just accept it as a "whatever it exists" part of life. A lot of normies are casual consoomers and don't have any interest in being ruled over by eunuchs or clerics.

Also if you trust the government to implement realID and not descend into totalitarian hell you are an absolute retard.