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It'd have been cool, but it'd detract from the non-Starwars 'realism' the series has shown so far. And it'd distract from the pathos of Cassian justifiably shooting the Mon's driver/spy.. I assume the Imperials weren't expecting her to be able to speak.
It just makes the Imperial homeworld feel so un-secured. If they're this sloppy, more rebel senators should give parting speeches to give Old Man Palps the finger before leaving.

TBF it required a few idiot balls and the decision to go grimderp to get there.
The decision to go grimderp was already set in the NJO novels; Legacy simply built up on that foundation.

Also, parts of KOTOR can be very grimdark, like the lore about the Mandalorian Wars and the Rakatans, or the Peragus and Taris segments in both games.

Also a random Tusken somehow becoming extremely ripped and not dead by Kenobi's hand to get there.
Because Kenobi is a sentimental Jedi idiot. He should've decapitated the fucker when he had the chance.

And the funniest part in that dark sense of irony, is that no one tuned in. It's just the ultimate display of how dead this fucking IP is due to their malicious incompetence.

And so they're going to double down on prequel jangling and Dave's slop. And the best part is that it only does slightly better by comparison. It still does like shit.

Industry is due and goddamn deserves the crash it earned at this rate; it's only economies of scale and massive investor fraud and lying to them that keeps the hammer from falling.

I only have sympathy for the below the line guys, which none of these "creative" assholes nor their union bosses give one fuck for.
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Yesterday I saw that EFAP was talking about Andor Season2, which informed me that Andor Season 2 was out. This reminded me that Andor was the least bad of the Disney Star Wars shows, and actually showed potential to be good. As such I decided to give it's second a season a fair chance on it's own first, and sought out the episode files.

I made it 10 minutes into the first episode before realizing this was a mistake. The first character on screen is a fat nigger, who then has a dopey emotional moment with Cassian before an unnecessarily comedic hijacking and escape scene, which was the final straw. I expected some level of DEI and "muh rebellion" bullshit, but they couldn't even give us a smooth operation. It had to devolve into some looney tunes shenanigans, and with that kind of tone set from the first sequence I'm out. Instead of wasting my time watching the episodes first I'll just watch the EFAP stream, at least that is supposed to be funny.
 
Yesterday I saw that EFAP was talking about Andor Season2, which informed me that Andor Season 2 was out. This reminded me that Andor was the least bad of the Disney Star Wars shows, and actually showed potential to be good. As such I decided to give it's second a season a fair chance on it's own first, and sought out the episode files.

I made it 10 minutes into the first episode before realizing this was a mistake. The first character on screen is a fat nigger, who then has a dopey emotional moment with Cassian before an unnecessarily comedic hijacking and escape scene, which was the final straw. I expected some level of DEI and "muh rebellion" bullshit, but they couldn't even give us a smooth operation. It had to devolve into some looney tunes shenanigans, and with that kind of tone set from the first sequence I'm out. Instead of wasting my time watching the episodes first I'll just watch the EFAP stream, at least that is supposed to be funny.
Drinker stream said to skip the first three episodes.
 
Drinker stream said to skip the first three episodes.
I actually really hate when people say "oh this series gets good after skipping x amount of it."

It's one of the shittiest copes I hear to justify watching garbage. It means you willingly sat through in this case an entire movie's worth of dogshit. You also admit openly that 30% of its run is ass, and it's all front loaded. Why in the fuck should I willingly bother with that? What in the fuck is wrong with you for sitting through all that shit if it wasn't the way you made money? It's also serial television, so it's even dumber to say this, since it likely links to the "good" episodes in some way, meaning you miss context. If it was episodic like say the TCW, you can at least fucking pick and choose what episodes to watch, as much as I like to shit on that slop.

It's as asinine as gurgling "well ackshually Star Trek: Next Generation got gud in season 3...". Fuck you asshole no. Sell it as "it hits its stride and enters its best in that season. Saying otherwise is cope for corpos to justify why they should burn tens of millions on shit and botnet their viewers. Yeah, season one had some turkeys, but it had good episodes like its pilot and a few others, and season 2 is mostly good with some excellent episodes. Stop saying "it gets good by x season, or x episode".

I also fucking hated this retard argument when they tried to justify Picard season 3. Cool. After hours of fetid horse semen and having the main character cry, die, and become a soulless robot monster who kills Data because they don't know anything about the IP, it elevates itself to season 7 "fuck it we're tired of this shit" TNG. Great fucking sell and cope you faggots. Great way to advertize why they should jangle keys with zombie hollyweird once they get the CGI good enough for it.
 
I'm finding it extremely grating how hard Andor is being circlejerked as a "serious show for intellectuals", especially when years ago sequel trilogy criticism was shouted down with the "Star Wars is a silly franchise about space wizards fighting for retarded children so just turn your brain off bro" line. Like, which one is it?

Maybe if the franchise hadn't been totally destroyed by now I would care. And the funny thing is it's going to go right back to being lowest common denominator memberberry slop anyway with the upcoming Filoni horseshit.
 
I also fucking hated this retard argument when they tried to justify Picard season 3. Cool. After hours of fetid horse semen and having the main character cry, die, and become a soulless robot monster who kills Data because they don't know anything about the IP, it elevates itself to season 7 "fuck it we're tired of this shit" TNG. Great fucking sell and cope you faggots. Great way to advertize why they should jangle keys with zombie hollyweird once they get the CGI good enough for it.
Who could forget such classics as "Doctor Crusher fucks a ghost" and "Data gets possessed by a mask and acts like a gremlin"?
 
I still don't get what's great about Andor. Its just meh. It has good moments but nothing truly great
I think one of the biggest draws is the character work. Lots of other SW stuff is just plot with no characterization like the Ahsoka or Kenobi shows. Meanwhile Gilroy is pretty good at dialog and characterization where a scene usually serves multiple purposes or there's two discussions going on at once, so Andor feels refreshing where even if the subject matter were silly, the characterization isn't retarded.
 
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I've agreed with that sentiment on the TLoU thread, but for Andor S2, it works as an anthology, it's much less serialized than S1. Still, everyone agrees the first three episodes are the weakest.
If I went to the baker and he handed me a loaf of bread with mold on it I could still eat it. So long as you cut out the moldy bits the bread is still good. That doesn't make it right that the baker charged me the same price for a loaf of bread that was 30% mold as he would have charged me for a loaf that was 100% good. Fuck off with that retarded shit and stop defending the show that's 30% mold because you were happy to get the 60% that was edible.

Plus, TLoU was not good. The game it's based on isn't good either.
 
Fuck off with that retarded shit and stop defending the show that's 30% mold because you were happy to get the 60% that was edible.
I don't think it was 30% mold, I just thought the first three episodes were weaker than the rest of the season. I don't even agree with Drinker that you should skip them. My point is that anthology series like Channel Zero or Love, Death and Robots should get a "pass" for that argument since it's not a tv series in the same sense as a serialized show, you can even make the argument for older episodic sitcoms.

Plus, TLoU was not good. The game it's based on isn't good either.
I do agree on that, I just wanted to say that while I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it applies to anthologies.
 
I don't think it was 30% mold, I just thought the first three episodes were weaker than the rest of the season.
And that's the smart thing to say, that the episodes or portion of the season is just weaker than its peers. I just fucking hate when people tell me that a show is good when they don't even like damn near a third of it.

"Oh this show only picks up on season 4". "Oh you can skip half this season."

Why would you fucking watch then when you say shit like that? It's like the dumbest way to sell a show ever.

I will say that due to the dearth of episodes I'll still ding it for being not as good. This isn't like the older sitcom and episodic days where you'd get at least double the episodes, thus having more chances to nail decent episodes. You got ten shots here, and like three chances since it's portioned by story line.

That makes this still somewhat culpable for me, since it's noted resource misuse and it burns one of your few shots.
 
And that's the smart thing to say, that the episodes or portion of the season is just weaker than its peers. I just fucking hate when people tell me that a show is good when they don't even like damn near a third of it.

"Oh this show only picks up on season 4". "Oh you can skip half this season."

Why would you fucking watch then when you say shit like that? It's like the dumbest way to sell a show ever.

I will say that due to the dearth of episodes I'll still ding it for being not as good. This isn't like the older sitcom and episodic days where you'd get at least double the episodes, thus having more chances to nail decent episodes. You got ten shots here, and like three chances since it's portioned by story line.

That makes this still somewhat culpable for me, since it's noted resource misuse and it burns one of your few shots.
Counter point I'd offer is Babylon 5. The first season has some rough spots and a could eps that are just plain not good. My usual recommend with B5 was I had a I list of a couple of the better episodes and tell them to come back to season 1 after season 2.

But I guess I don't recommend people skip it, just come back to it after they're invested. Because you gonna want to watch so when those set ups start getting delivered on you'll know what's up.

If I went to the baker and he handed me a loaf of bread with mold on it I could still eat it. So long as you cut out the moldy bits the bread is still good. That doesn't make it right that the baker charged me the same price for a loaf of bread that was 30% mold as he would have charged me for a loaf that was 100% good. Fuck off with that retarded shit and stop defending the show that's 30% mold because you were happy to get the 60% that was edible.

Plus, TLoU was not good. The game it's based on isn't good either.
Sorry I need autism all over your analogy:
Never, ever EVER eat moldy bread/baked products. The mold you see on the surface is just the fruiting bodies, active mold you can't see is wormed through the porous structure of the bread 4x-5x the surface area of what you can see, and who knows how deep.

Which I guess actually makes sense by comparing Andor S2's shit opening to moldy bread: Toss the whole fucking thing.

(Cheese, on the other hand, being effectively pre-molded, is usually dense enough that mold can only form on the surface and is usually OK to just cut off any visible mold.)
 
I'm finding it extremely grating how hard Andor is being circlejerked as a "serious show for intellectuals", especially when years ago sequel trilogy criticism was shouted down with the "Star Wars is a silly franchise about space wizards fighting for retarded children so just turn your brain off bro" line. Like, which one is it?

Maybe if the franchise hadn't been totally destroyed by now I would care. And the funny thing is it's going to go right back to being lowest common denominator memberberry slop anyway with the upcoming Filoni horseshit.
I still don't get what's great about Andor. Its just meh. It has good moments but nothing truly great
You're dealing with a lot of people who have never read an SWEU novel or played a SW game in their lives.

Andor's Ghorman Massacre is well-done, but it's just a normal day for the Empire. Acting like this is somehow the worst thing the Empire did kind of forgets the fact that they enslaved the Wookiees, exterminated the Geonosians, bombed Mandalore into radioactive waffles, compared to that shit, Ghorman was just business as usual. That officer who triggered it stood calmly behind that glass door because to him, he's seen this before, he's done this before, and this would likely not be the last time. Hell, one could say that Ghorman was an exercise in Darwinism, since the old man rightfully pointed out that the Empire allowing protests in the plaza was obviously a trap, so everyone who walked in there should've known that there's a chance they weren't coming back.

If they thought that having 4 hours of Ghorman before the massacre makes it relate to you, makes it genuine, then try living for 8 hours on Taris in KOTOR before Malak decides to bomb it back to the stone age. All those people you meet and get to know, from the friendly janitor, to the doctor hiding dying Republic troops, to the droid merchant trying to deal with anti-alien prejudice, or even the Mandalorian gladiator in the cantina hanging around like a poser, they all fucking die because Malak was too fucking lazy to search for Bastila himself. (Dude could've turned on the Swoop Bike channel and found his target.)

It just seems to me that a lot of these critics inherently see books and video games as lesser than TV when it comes to media criticisms, and while the Ghorman Massacre is good TV for 2025 standards, it's hardly the worst thing the Sith or the Empire have done. Fucking Crix Madine gassed the entire planet of Dentaal on Imperial orders just to put down a riot, and the dude couldn't live with himself afterwards and defected to the Alliance.

If it were me, the Ghorman Massacre would've been something I'd open with, and an even greater atrocity would be what I'd have made the season climax.

I think one of the biggest draws is the character work. Lots of other SW stuff is just plot with no characterization like the Ahsoka or Kenobi shows. Meanwhile Gilroy is pretty good at dialog and characterization where a scene usually serves multiple purposes or there's two discussions going on at once, so Andor feels refreshing where even if the subject matter were silly, the characterization isn't retarded.
The old SWEU had a good way of building up characters, from Thrawn to Meetra Surik. Gilroy is basically drawing upon stuff from the old SWEU (Tarkin's Ghorman Massacre, the Rakatans) as a guide-map for how he wrote his characters, and he isn't the first SW author to dislike lightsabers and the Force. (*cough* Karen Traviss *cough*)
 
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The old SWEU had a good way of building up characters [...] as a guide-map for how he wrote his characters
That's true, but I meant characterization really in the realm of movie/tv. Writing a character in a novel is a very different beast than for a screenplay.

In a novel, you can write "character A looked at her friend B with a trusting smile" or "character A shared a pained frown at B's insinuation" meanwhile in the D+ shows, you have Ahsoka, Acolyte characters making bland faces for 10 seconds. In Andor, Mon Mothma makes a quick succession of facial expressions of disdain then trying to keep face when her daughter insults her in a public setting. Also see the interaction of Mon Mothma and Luthen at the daughter's wedding when they need to keep apperances while having a secret conversation. A less talented writer would have them meet all smiles at first then have a second conversation in private later, but in Andor they greet/shit talk each other in the same conversation by being judicious with their words. But beyond showing Gilroy's talent, it also makes the characters more interesting.

(Tarkin's Ghorman Massacre, the Rakatans) [...] he isn't the first SW author to dislike lightsabers and the Force. (*cough* Karen Traviss *cough*)
Besides some really older/passionate fans, I doubt the lore is the sticking point. Gilroy writes character-first, then has the plot evolve around conflicting characters. A lot of live action stuff since Disney has been plot-first, then have characters enact the plot even if there's no proper context for them to do so. Not quite a character but see in Acolyte where the two little sisters needed to escape under bad circumstances, the writer just decided stone walls can catch fire now, so the two sisters escape through a rock building on fire. The plot was there before any character or even setting in this case.
 
That's true, but I meant characterization really in the realm of movie/tv. Writing a character in a novel is a very different beast than for a screenplay.

In a novel, you can write "character A looked at her friend B with a trusting smile" or "character A shared a pained frown at B's insinuation" meanwhile in the D+ shows, you have Ahsoka, Acolyte characters making bland faces for 10 seconds. In Andor, Mon Mothma makes a quick succession of facial expressions of disdain then trying to keep face when her daughter insults her in a public setting. Also see the interaction of Mon Mothma and Luthen at the daughter's wedding when they need to keep apperances while having a secret conversation. A less talented writer would have them meet all smiles at first then have a second conversation in private later, but in Andor they greet/shit talk each other in the same conversation by being judicious with their words. But beyond showing Gilroy's talent, it also makes the characters more interesting.
They did that with video games like KOTOR and shows like the 2003 Clone Wars. It wasn't just novels.

Besides some really older/passionate fans, I doubt the lore is the sticking point. Gilroy writes character-first, then has the plot evolve around conflicting characters. A lot of live action stuff since Disney has been plot-first, then have characters enact the plot even if there's no proper context for them to do so. Not quite a character but see in Acolyte where the two little sisters needed to escape under bad circumstances, the writer just decided stone walls can catch fire now, so the two sisters escape through a rock building on fire. The plot was there before any character or even setting in this case.
Everything surrounding the Ghorman Massacre comes from the old lore. The fact that it was a starting point for the Rebels, the fact that at one point, Tarkin was involved, Gilroy built up on that and added some kind of French Resistance vibe to it, although it's not the first time SW annihilated a world you came to know.

I mean, we got the same thing with Taris, where you practically lived on that planet for 8 hours in KOTOR before Malak bombed it, and you found out about its culture, its people, the way they live, the good and the bad, what they do for amusement or a living, etc.. Then everything you came to know gets bombed back into the stone age because the Sith leadership is lazy. It's even worse than the Ghorman Massacre, because at least the Empire had to work their way to get people to trust their narrative; they had to use propaganda, false-flags, infiltrators, whereas Taris was destroyed because Malak gave the word, and nothing else.

When the Ghorman radio said "they expect us to die without even knowing why!" Taris was the first thing that bolted to my mind. The Tarisians didn't even know why Malak decided to turn their planet into target practice for his warships.
 
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