GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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The comment section on ARM desktop/laptop product videos is always filled with pro-x86/anti-ARM stuff and I can't tell if it's coordinated shilling or if x86 actually does have dedicated fanboys who shill it for free.
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The comment section on ARM desktop/laptop product videos is always filled with pro-x86/anti-ARM stuff and I can't tell if it's coordinated shilling or if x86 actually does have dedicated fanboys who shill it for free.
I do it for free. More often in the SBC thread where it's important to repeatedly point out that most people shouldn't buy an ARM board. I'm sure it has never been a better time to use something like that Ampere workstation though.
 
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How is ARM a fad? All phones have been using it for years, Apple proved it’s way better at laptops than x86, and Amazon that it’s better at servers and datacentre tasks.
x86 was always meant to be an interim product. IBM chose it because the Z80 and the 6500 were owned by the competitors, and Intel subsequently failed to replace it at least twice not because it was so good but simply because iAPX432 and Itanium were unadulterated garbage.
 
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I do it for free. More often in the SBC thread where it's important to repeatedly point out that most people shouldn't buy an ARM board. I'm sure it has never been a better time to use something like that Ampere workstation though.
There's definitely good sense in warning people not to buy into weird ARM boards with locked bootloaders or hardware that's likely going to be unsupported by the next major kernel version. I remember the golden era of the rpi clones and how half of them were e-waste within 2 years because there was no way to get the proprietary graphics chipset working on anything except the specifically curated linux distro the chinese slop shop cobbled together for it.
 
Apple proved it’s way better at laptops than x86, and Amazon that it’s better at servers and datacentre tasks.

Zen 4c and Sierra Forest showed that the power efficiency advantage of Arm CPUs had little or nothing to do with the ISA and everything to do with the chip designers targeting power efficiency across the entire core rather than raw speed. Ampere's server business has been absolutely clobbered by the x86 giants getting off their asses and making some SKUs that are targeted toward the market Ampere was gunning for.

Apple, for their part, figured out that rather than blasting up to something retarded like 5 GHz to handle compute-bound work and choking to death on memory-bound work, if you keep the CPU at 3.2 GHz during compute bound work and massively increase bandwidth so you don't sit on your hands during the memory-bound work, you overall score massive power savings. Well, also helps to have an OS that's not a massive piece of pajeetware shit.

Nothing's stopping Intel or AMD from doing something similar; your guess is as good as mine as to why they don't.
 
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Nothing's stopping Intel or AMD from doing something similar; your guess is as good as mine as to why they don't.
Because the tech press still chases high boost clocks and core counts over memory bandwidth. That's my guess anyway.

Well, also helps to have an OS that's not a massive piece of pajeetware shit.
Teenage me would have also been utterly mystified to discover that MacOS is now somehow less gay than Windows in 2025.
 
U.S. inks bill to force geo-tracking tech for high-end gaming and AI GPUs

I'm hoping that this does not pass or even make headway at all because it's a stupendously retarded idea.
That's the assault GPU of mass destruction regulation I've been waiting a couple years for.
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/genera...ing-threats-and-potential-mitigations.150042/

mandate a one-year study to be conducted jointly by the Department of Commerce and the Department of Defense, which will identify additional protective measures that could be introduced in the future.
And it's only the beginning!

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I wonder if this means that whichever the last gen of GPU that doesn’t have this tracking feature bullshit will see a big increase in value or at least retain its value for way longer than normal.
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It's possible that the industry has had forewarning and can start inserting it into newly produced Blackwell and RDNA/Instinct GPUs, making it difficult to avoid on the used market. But we'll have to get real about what the tracker is doing, how it works, if it can be disabled, and if it's a legitimate threat to user privacy. There is always whining about management engines, Pluton, etc. before there is good analysis of the risks. The problem is that if the first generation of tracking isn't good enough, the bill is already calling for "other potential chip security mechanisms" to be studied and implemented.

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Requiring these technologies to be built into chips will likely get some pushback, especially when privacy is called into question. Nevertheless, this bill has reportedly bipartisan support, with representatives from both sides of the aisle supporting the concept.

It has bipartisan support up until Intel, AMD, Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Meta all make the right calls and suddenly there's zero support for it. Export restrictions were fine when it was mostly just hitting Nvidia stuff but this is the sort of thing that affects the entire industry and I imagine the lobbying against it will be quite fierce.

Also Tom Cotton is not in the favored inner circle with Trump and I could see that really hurting this effort in the long-run.
 
U.S. inks bill to force geo-tracking tech for high-end gaming and AI GPUs
I have a feeling that this will make its way into GPUs that ship globally, so even buying from other countries wouldn't stop this.

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I was almost tempted, but even the 200% performance increase isn't worth the AU$6500 price tag.
 
It has bipartisan support up until Intel, AMD, Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Meta all make the right calls and suddenly there's zero support for it. Export restrictions were fine when it was mostly just hitting Nvidia stuff but this is the sort of thing that affects the entire industry and I imagine the lobbying against it will be quite fierce.

Also Tom Cotton is not in the favored inner circle with Trump and I could see that really hurting this effort in the long-run.
Maybe so, but "bipartisan" is still a very scary word when it comes to shitty, anti-consumer legislation. I predict the worst.

Tom Cotton is Israel's greatest soldier. What a putz.

I have a feeling that this will make its way into GPUs that ship globally, so even buying from other countries wouldn't stop this.
If we don't want it smuggled into Chyna, it needs the tracking chip. Maybe a kill switch too while we're at it.
 
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