US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

  • 🐕 I am attempting to get the site runnning as fast as possible. If you are experiencing slow page load times, please report it.
General Trump Banner.png

Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Bitch made dad, tbh. Imagine watching that and LIVING

Typical libshit behavior. I like guys who defend their fucking dumpster
View attachment 7356664

Rope
This made me try and look up the actual case and I eventually found it and it was somehow much worse than I remembered. The NAACP also apparently swooped in to label the prosecution of the attackers as 'racist' once they were given the death penalty.

On April 22, 1974, Dale Selby Pierre, William Andrews, Keith Roberts, and three other men drove in two vans to the Hi-Fi Shop at 2323 Washington Boulevard, Ogden, just before closing time. Four of the group entered the shop brandishing handguns, while Roberts and another man remained with the vehicles. Two employees, Stanley Walker, aged 20, and Michelle Ansley, aged 18, were in the store at the time and were taken hostage. Pierre and Andrews took the two into the store's basement and bound them. The gang then began robbing the store.

Approximately an hour into the robbery, a 16-year-old boy, Cortney Naisbitt, who dropped by to thank Walker for allowing him to park his car in the store's parking lot earlier that day as he ran an errand next door, was also taken hostage and tied up in the basement with Walker and Ansley. Later that evening, Orren Walker, Stanley Walker's 43-year-old father, became worried that his son had not returned home and went to the store. Cortney Naisbitt's mother, Carol Peterson Naisbitt, also arrived at the shop later that evening looking for her son, who was late getting home. Both Orren Walker and Carol Naisbitt were taken to the basement and tied up. This brought the total number of hostages to five.

Torture, rape, and murders
With five people now held hostage in the basement, Pierre told Andrews to get something from their van. Andrews returned with a bottle in a brown paper bag, from which Pierre poured a cup of Drano-brand drain cleaner. Pierre ordered Orren to administer it to the other hostages, but he refused, and was bound, gagged, and left face-down on the basement floor.

Pierre and Andrews then propped the hostages into sitting positions and forced them to drink the Drano, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. It immediately caused blisters on the victims' lips, burnt their tongues and throats, and peeled the flesh around their mouths. Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the Drano, although Orren said she coughed less than the other victims. Pierre and Andrews tried to duct-tape the hostages' mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but the oozing blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren was the last to be given the Drano, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and other hostages.

Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long, and were too loud and messy, so he shot Carol and Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads, killing Carol but leaving Cortney alive. Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.

Pierre took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly raped her after telling Andrews to leave for 30 minutes. Afterwards, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head. According to Orren's testimony, her last words were "I am too young to die."

Andrews and Pierre noted that Orren was still alive, so Pierre mounted him, wrapped a wire around his throat, and tried to strangle him. When this failed, Pierre and Andrews inserted a ballpoint pen into Orren's ear. Pierre stomped it until it punctured his eardrum, broke, and exited his throat. Pierre and Andrews went upstairs, finished loading equipment into their van, and left.
 
I don't hate Hunter S. Thompson, but I don't like gonzo journalism so much and I think he's a sort of time and place author. If you were young when he wrote his seminal works, I can see how they could blow your mind.

I'm personally a fan of William T. Vollmann. Europe Central is a great book.
... I wasn't even alive until after he killed himself. but yea, i'm a pretty big fan of gonzo work.
 
Those are based on primary sources and reliable secondary sources
Are you saying primary sources are infallible? What about the primary sources of the opposing viewpoint?
Because the person who told me these things was someone who I trusted to be accurate on this information and usually is. When I was proven wrong I admitted my guilt fully and said I fucked up, I didn't ask to be treated like I couldn't have known.
Why are you presenting hearsay as fact?
Chosen means chosen to have more responsibilities, that's it. People who don't look into it assumes it means elitism when it doesn't
I know what it means in the Bible. That's not what your people think
Pointing out how people using your exact same rhetoric racially abuse Christians with Jewish ethnicity is "emotional blackmail"?
You racially abuse fellow Christians based on their ethnic background.
Yes, saying I personally do it and that it happens so you can't question anything is emotional blackmail. You're just trying to shut it down by to getting an emotional response by bringing up something irrelevant
 
Either you believe Trump got what he wanted, which is other countries (China) to lower its tariffs on the US, or you believe Trump cucked. I argue the former since we got something out of it, but whaddaya gonna do?
Did the tariffs actually reduce? I read article say “oh China dropped tariffs from 145% to 10% but that’s just back to what it was before Trump added extra tariffs so really China didn’t lower tariffs at all”. Is that a lie?
 
This made me try and look up the actual case and I eventually found it and it was somehow much worse than I remembered. The NAACP also apparently swooped in to label the prosecution of the attackers as 'racist' once they were given the death penalty.
Bro, they’re trying to make you feed people draino, and you’re going to be like “sir, I am a conscientious objector to this, dare I say, mayhem”

Fuck that. Die on your feet. He’s a faggot. If you let this happen, you earned it

What do we say to women all the time when they say they got raped? “So did you fight back?”
 
Everyone should be. Middle Eastern stability appears to track not just with having a Sunni majority, but with how overwhelming the Sunni majority is. Palestinians are the main exception to this, but for reference the Shia majority countries are Iran, Iraq, and Bahrain. Yemen and Syria have smaller Sunni majorities, so of course they have civil wars
Iran is very stable. Any homogenous country is more stable. The main difference between the two is that Shia groups target Israel and Sunni groups target the West. So Israel uses its influence to target the Shia regions, and prefers Saudi influence because their affiliated terror groups launch terror attacks in the West, which creates enmity towards Israel's own enemies. Your stance here is the intended result of that calculus. How many times have we heard that Iran hates America, Iran is our enemy, bla bla bla. How many attacks has Iran launched in America/Western countries? All the recent ones I can think of were by Sunni groups (9/11 was all Saudis) and Shia ones are severe outliers. Most of the rapefugees pouring into our countries are Sunni. The only group that any sane Westerner would oppose are Sunnis. But you've been successfully psyoped into hating the one group that has a big bone to pick with Israel and has mostly been hands-off with your own civilization.
 
What about the primary sources of the opposing viewpoint?
Those are also available


Why are you presenting hearsay as fact?
Because I made a mistake


That's not what your people think
No it pretty clearly is


saying I personally do it
Ok you personally don't do it but people with your viewpoint do it


that it happens so you can't question anything
I never said you can't question stuff because of that. I was talking about conversion.
 
... I wasn't even alive until after he killed himself. but yea, i'm a pretty big fan of gonzo work.
Hunter S. Thompson died in 2005. Are you undera-
>2005 was 20 years ago
>people born in 2007 are 18 this year

:stress:
Did the tariffs actually reduce? I read article say “oh China dropped tariffs from 145% to 10% but that’s just back to what it was before Trump added extra tariffs so really China didn’t lower tariffs at all”. Is that a lie?
Too early to tell, but inflation went down a little in most recent reports rather than skyrocketing which is what caterwauling liberals have been dooming for four months.
 
Iran is very stable.
Only in the sense that the people who protest are entirely unarmed and will go on to get raped to death
Any homogenous country is more stable. The main difference between the two is that Shia groups target Israel and Sunni groups target the West.
IMG_8133.webp
Man I can tolerate me some Saudis

So Israel uses its influence to target the Shia regions, and prefers Saudi influence because their affiliated terror groups launch terror attacks in the West, which creates enmity towards Israel's own enemies. Your stance here is the intended result of that calculus. How many times have we heard that Iran hates America, Iran is our enemy, bla bla bla.
I’m going to make Iran drink bleach and skeet on those bitches

You’re not invited to jerk off, but by your own admission you wouldn’t do shit
How many attacks has Iran launched in America/Western countries? All the recent ones I can think of were by Sunni groups (9/11 was all Saudis) and Shia ones are severe outliers. Most of the rapefugees pouring into our countries are Sunni. The only group that any sane Westerner would oppose are Sunnis. But you've been successfully psyoped into hating the one group that has a big bone to pick with Israel and has mostly been hands-off with your own civilization.
You’re so fucking gay
 
Iran is very stable.
No it isn't. They're having an energy crisis, a water crisis, their foreign adventures all failed and they maintain a dictatorship over a population that hates them.

How many attacks has Iran launched in America/Western countries?
In 2022, an Iranian operative was charged with plotting to assassinate John Bolton. Masih Alinejad was targeted in a kidnapping plot in New York in 2021, with another armed attempt thwarted in 2022. In May 2025, British authorities arrested Iranian nationals suspected of plotting an attack on the Israeli embassy in London. Iran has been linked to attempted kidnappings and assassinations in Europe. Iran also regularly attacks the US in cyberspace.

Historically?

1983 Beirut Barracks Bombings: Iran-backed Hezbollah carried out bombings that killed 241 U.S. service members.

1994 AMIA Bombing: An attack on a Jewish community center in Argentina killed 85 people.

1996 Khobar Towers Bombing: A bombing in Saudi Arabia killed 19 U.S. servicemen; Iran was found responsible by a U.S. federal judge.

Iran has killed at least 260 US servicemen.


The only group that any sane Westerner would oppose are Sunnis.
Shia Islam is literally a death cult
 
You’re so fucking gay
You're right. I should have a good-natured chortle about the brutal murder of a white family and call the father a pussy for not doing anything while he was bound and gagged on a basement floor. Then I should fellate the primary global sponsors of terror for giving rich silicon valley liberals in my country a trillion dollars. That would be much more rugged and masculine.
 
You do that 'all the time' huh?
What I did is I decided to raise my family in a state that is a: 90% white and b: has castle doctrine and constitutional carry

If it ever comes up, you fucking bet I wouldn’t just WATCH. My wife and kids believe in God and would prefer to meet in heaven than betray each other with passive consent

Btw, change your pfp to a pride flag.
 
Last edited:
This made me try and look up the actual case and I eventually found it and it was somehow much worse than I remembered. The NAACP also apparently swooped in to label the prosecution of the attackers as 'racist' once they were given the death penalty.
I remember reading a book about this as a teen. It never mentioned the assailants were black :thinking:

I wonder why
 
When Nixon lost his race against Kennedy, the media was so spiteful that they put out a whole TV special obituary for his political career, which featured an interview with a literal convicted Soviet asset and traitor who Nixon helped to nab.
For everyone who wasn't around then, the majority of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party (and yes, back then, the party actually had a conservative wing) were totally anti-anti-communist, meaning they weren't actively pro-communist, but they just hated the anti-communists (in both parties).

The elite East Coast press, who were rabidly anti-anti-communist (except for the ones that were actual communists),  hated Richard Nixon with a particular ire, primarily because of his dogged pursuit as a congressman of Alger Hiss, a beloved Democrat, part of the Roosevelt Administration, and a commie spy. See here. (Hiss couldn't be charged with espionage because the SOL had run, but Nixon's work got Hiss at least a perjury conviction.)

The fact that Nixon wouldn't let it go made him elite lefty enemy No. 1. That's why the media hated him enough to want to piss on his political grave.
 
Hunter S. Thompson died in 2005. Are you undera-
>2005 was 20 years ago
>people born in 2007 are 18 this year
Try being in the same generation as these zoomers but slightly older than most of them. I had a moment where one didn't understand what a noob tube was. OG modern warfare is a Boomer game now.
 
Back