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Let's call them the Long Fifties and the Long Seventies. Shitcan the idea of the Sixties. And some of what pop culture tries to pin on the Long Seventies is actually the Long Fifties. Civil Rights in the South? That's the Long Fifties. All that happened in the 1950s, just about. It shifts North (and broadens into a socialist agenda aimed at economic equality and imposing itself into White social spaces) after achieving political victory in the South.
What would you classify the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s as?
 
How do you think China managed to Trojan horse that shit in, you dunderhead?

I also wanted to draw attention to the China-owned and sponsored solar farms in the US.
It’s just IN the shit we buy from them. They don’t own our ports, yet port gantry cranes had the same shit.

It’s the other top casus belli for decoupling. Trump better respond to this, in light of his tariff pause, which I think was bad timing considering the India/Pakistan shit
 
The usual suspects are already bouncing and squeaking over the South Africans. Some are whining that Trump only cares about white immigrants and not brown ones; others are spouting the tired "Whites can never be oppressed rhetoric." I guess they don't grasp that these folks are coming over legally and have the ability to contribute to society and not live off of gibs. Its also ironic to consider these are the same people who not all that long ago were saying borders are nothing more than imaginary lines that people should be able to cross without impunity. Once again, their "It's okay only when we do it," mentality shines through.
Some of the Negro (ergo racist) cable news (non)contributors were making monkey noises about the Afrikaans and apartheid (even though some of the 59 weren't even born before apartheid was dismantled), coming awfully close to saying that they should have to stay in SA and suffer every evil coming for them to pay for the acts of their ancestors.
 
Won't ever happen but he does deserve it and if it did ever happen I think there would be actual mass suicides.
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He's been due for one ever since he organized the powwow between NK and SK.

Too many American politicians (and past presidents) think too hard about prestige and idealism.
Too many American politicians try too hard to appeal to their base that it actively fucks with diplomacy. People give Trump so much shit for being polite when talking about Putin or Xi or giving our "allies" shit for not pulling their weight. But Trump's approach is actually effective because he actually needs to negotiate with Russia and China and offending their leaders will just start things on the wrong foot, and our allies aren't going to stop taking advantage of us unless we put our foot down. Contrast this with how Biden did wverything to appeal to his base and the MSM, endlessly shit talked Putin and Xi, did nothing to help improve American standing in the world, gave Ukraine everything and the moon, Zelensky was so ungrateful he threw a shitfit at Trump because he cut him off and wanted a way to recoup loses.
 
They've had sanctions since 1979. Holy fucking shit. He has moved mountains

Trump wants a world at peace, not a world at War. He removed the 1979 sanctions. Regardless of his words, his actions alone prompted a response. He has earned respect.
The original 1979 sanctions on Syria were over them occupying parts (and eventually, all) of Lebanon - initially supported by the Arab League and some Lebanese themselves who thought the SAA could end the Lebanese Civil War in its early stages, but astonishingly it turned out the Syrian ultranationalist Assad Sr. was actually planning on annexing Lebanon to realize his ambitions of Greater Syria - and also propping up terrorist militias aligned with them, including Hezbollah. In the long run, the Assads and their allies were directly responsible for crippling the Lebanese Christians (another Syrian agent, a member of the pro-Greater Syria ultranationalist and Lebanese-annexationist 'Syrian Social Nationalist Party', murdered Bachir Gemayel, who was the single most brutal but also the most effective Christian leader in that war, then beat the shit out of the disorganized Christian factions for the next couple decades) and putting Hezbollah in ascendancy over Lebanon. That's one of the reasons I could never get fully onboard with the 'multipolar' crowd which had been among Assad Jr.'s biggest online cheerleaders. The other (even tougher) sanctions piled up over more recent years, especially after the civil war got going of course.

That said, there's no reason to keep those sanctions on now that the Assads are history. The new guy Trump just met with, Ahmed al-Shara'a (AKA Abu Muhammad al-Jolani), is pretty far from being trustworthy himself I'd say - his outfit originated as Al-Qaeda in Syria - but you could say much the same about just about anyone else who rules anyplace in the Middle East. AJ is also vehemently anti-Hezbollah (Hezb, which subscribes to the Shia sect of Islam, saved Assad's ass in 2013 & consistently heavily supported him against the rebels, who mostly belong to the rival Sunni sect, and AQ/HTS are obviously among the most extreme representatives of Sunnism in Syria, beaten out only by ISIS and a few smaller splinter groups), rejects the pan-Arabist/Greater Syria ideology and has actively been working with Lebanon to kick Hezbollah in the balls after Israel knocked them down. Furthermore he's a smart enough guy to not directly start an unwinnable fight with Israel from his devastated position even after the Israelis bombed him and sponsored an attempt by some of the Druze (another sect) in far southern Syria to secede, instead shutting the Druze and also Kurdish (anti-Turk commies up north, supported vs. ISIS by the US) secessionists down in his own way.

If (big if, but that's always the case with Islamist warlords) AJ contains his Islamist dictatorship within Syria's borders, doesn't fuck with Lebanon or the US, and generally proves more interested in rebuilding the ruined Syria rather than sponsoring terror attacks against his neighbors or even more distant countries - then that's already a pretty good outcome at this point tbh, if not the best one that can be expected realistically. Lifting sanctions as a big carrot to get him to move in that direction is probably a smart call, Syria was never going to become some liberal democracy with routine fag parades in Damascus no matter who won the civil war anyway so it's not like keeping the sanctions to try to force that outcome would've been a good idea.
 
Syria was never going to become some liberal democracy with routine fag parades in Damascus no matter who won the civil war anyway so it's not like keeping the sanctions to try to force that outcome would've been a good idea.
This is what enraged me about Gadaffi. Yeah he was funding terrorism here and there, but ever since he's been toppled, Libya has no central government and is no closer to freedom or democracy that the pozzed globohomo celebrates so much. Country hasn't recovered since 2011. Democracy cannot be forced on the population no matter how much you cheer it.

Edit: If Damascus cleans up its act and forms a functioning society I might have to visit some of the historical sights and stuff.
 
What would you classify the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s as?
The best of times, the worst of times.
If (big if, but that's always the case with Islamist warlords) AJ contains his Islamist dictatorship within Syria's borders, doesn't fuck with Lebanon or the US, and generally proves more interested in rebuilding the ruined Syria rather than sponsoring terror attacks against his neighbors or even more distant countries - then that's already a pretty good outcome at this point tbh, if not the best one that can be expected realistically. Lifting sanctions as a big carrot to get him to move in that direction is probably a smart call, Syria was never going to become some liberal democracy with routine fag parades in Damascus no matter who won the civil war anyway so it's not like keeping the sanctions to try to force that outcome would've been a good idea.
Trump has made clear the US is done being the moral arbiter of the world. Syria has had a new dawn. It's their time to shine if they choose. What matters is if they can live with their neighbors. Considering that Saudi Aribia was the one to ask for the arrangement, I think they can with some.
 
The best of times, the worst of times.

Trump has made clear the US is done being the moral arbiter of the world. Syria has had a new dawn. It's their time to shine if they choose. What matters is if they can live with their neighbors. Considering that Saudi Aribia was the one to ask for the arrangement, I think they can with some.
They chose to slaughter Christians just like they did in NYC, Boston, Paris, London, Madrid and all over the world. Saudi Arabia bankrolled Al Qaeda and ISIS as stated very plainly in Hillary's emails. The vast majority of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.
 
What would you classify the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s as?
I haven't put the same kind of thought into it and don't have (ironically) as good of a feel for the cultural shifts.

I'd say that there are clear differences between America in our little End of History that lasted for basically the whole 1990s (and then up and died). That was probably the last decade where there were still lots of good movies; movie-making really aged fine in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It was the era of the blockbuster. Music started getting boring. Politically it was classical political correctness, which was easy to ignore unlike both the Long Seventies and Clown World, as it was more just a really gay, annoying type of nannying than the demon it became. The tone of the era was very optimistic. I said End of History for a reason, Fukuyama and the Neoliberal Fuckboys thought we had already achieved the Star Trek fantasy of world government forever.

Something does change between the Long Seventies and the Eighties (TM) with the United States coming out of its malaise and finding its balls. If you want, you could say that socially the Nineties really are just a continuation of the Eighties with a changing conception of the world (from a pop culture obsessed with Soviet invasions to glorying in our own victory). One thing both had in common was that you could have, like, a million gay jokes and you could say nigger while still paling around with your Burger King Kids Klub group of friends. (Real life was never that artificially diverse, but I think there was a very real racial detente.) The whole period was one of aggression abroad and detente/restraint domestically, and prosperity. The scariest thing is the Clinton Administration going on a rampage against militias, Waco, random jerks in the woods. You start to get the first real obvious signs of Leviathan using this espionage apparatus that was basically created to fight Red Scares and Cold Wars against H'White people (besides the buck breaking of the KKK). The War on Drugs starts getting really retarded.

Then we get the Long Naughts, or let's call it Super Bush World. Eight years of that, from 2000-2012. Libtards are obnoxious shrieking faggots (when have they ever not been?). Civil liberties are the major theme of the decade due to Forever War II and libertarians are probably (?) at the height of their influence culturally and politically. The overreaches of the govt prove themselves devastatingly true in Clown World. Culture War is a thing forever, but I think it starts to take its current shapes, its current front lines, around this time. The country goes from North-South defense (fuck the Blacks) to Everyone Detente to Blue-Black detente, fuck the Reds.

When does Clown World begin? Everyone on here says 2014, but I think that's from being chronically online. I get that there are arguments that many specific bad things happened around then, especially in nerd culture. I think it's a little mistaken to start the downward spiral right with the election of Obama, and likewise it's definitely too late to put it with Trump. I'm tentatively saying 2012 because that was when Trayvon Martin (who I hear surprisingly little about, these days, compared to Mike Brown) blew upon the horrorshow of modern day anti-White race pogroms. Literally nothing from the Summer of Floyd was new, just the sheer vigor with which they enforced it on everyone. What was shocking wasn't the same warmed over talking points, but the way people were getting sacked from jobs - fucking IDEOLOGICALLY PURGED by the private sector - over it, and the way it was used to push through a wave of iconoclasm.

In Stephen King's IT there is a town of Derry that has a cycle where, at regular (but not like clockwork) intervals the eldritch demon god of the town will emerge to begin preying on the townsfolk, and in each such era its insane energy drives the town to murder and other acts of violence and dysfunction, social breakdown, at a scale that would be incredible but for that IT has the power to anesthetize the population. Crazy things happen in Derry, but nobody ever seems to notice the sociological mystery at work there. That is like what the US has been operating on for at least 200 years. The earliest time I can point to as the American Spider God Cycle is the Great Yee-Yee of 1850-1880, ish, when the South and North went deranged; the derangement even spread West, by the end, with the post-Civil War flood of frontier violence. It broke like a fever in 1877 with the corrupt bargain, high tide of the revolutionary sentiment at the Homestead Strike and victory in the Indian Wars.

Then it came stalking again in Wilsonian America, year uncertain to me but surely hitting a sort of apogee in the insanity of World War I and breaking like a fever after socialist defeat (at the hands of progressives, Progressivism was an enemy to both Socialism and Populism) at Blair Mountain, 1921, although the social sickness carried on for a long time; you could perhaps even start it with Wilson's war and argue it breaks some time into the Great Depression with moral renewal of the country.

Then the Long Seventies.

Finally Clown World. And I think the fever broke with Trump's second election; the mood has shifted in a very perceptible, but hard to explain, way. But the progress of past cycles is never undone.

The Demon of Unrest (I just stole that name for a book title) is the same creature every time. It changes its outward ideology; sometimes it masquerades as limited government, sometimes as unlimited government. Sometimes it comes from the South, sometimes from the North. Sometimes it preys on White people's worst natures, sometimes on Black people's. Sometimes it even expresses itself through both times, as I'd argue it did in the Civil War era. But the consistent thing about it is that it is the rich using sectarianism - usually ethnic - to derail populist movements and anything that threatens to encroach on entrenched power (corporate and govt). I don't think my model actually fits the Long Seventies well, compared to the War between the States, WW1 and aftermath and Clown World. Before the War between the States it is hard to defend it; maybe the desperate power-grabbing of the Federalists (Adams' attempts to play dictator, the War of 1812 bringing things to a head with these traitorous mercantilist shitbags), but I don't see the telltale signs of race war propaganda there. I suppose they hadn't figured it out yet. Federalists hadn't yet pioneered the use of race to divide, while in the Seventies it was foreign actors (Soviets) and a newcomer (Jews) to the American stage that were acting disruptive.


Edit: My silly names for it, some stolen from books I like or at least tolerate:
A Disease in the Public Mind (1848-1877)
Yankee Leviathan (1877 to somewhere around WW1 or the Progressive Era)
A Fever in the Heartland (no later than 1908 through no earlier than 1921)
Mister Roosevelt's Wild Ride (Great Depression, WW2 and Korea)
Jukebox Jubilee (the Long Fifties)
Days of Rage (the Long Seventies)
End of History (1980s-ish to 2001)
Super Bush World (2001-2012)
Scratch that, I'm going Bush World Adventures, that one's more fun, look it up.
Clown World (2012-present)

(End of History should be taken with the sardonic tone of "War to End All Wars.")

I likewise like to historiographically divide the US into three movements of itself based on its self-conception:
First America (voluntary confederacy of states)
Second America (imperial power of the North, a Euro-American nationalist state)
Third America (diverse bullshit "civic nationalist" America, starting from the Civil Rights Act and that immigration act that JFK, I think, passed, allowing non-Whites in in large numbers)

Edit: Each historical turning in America's self-conception comes from the Demon of Unrest cycle. Civil War mortally wounded and WW1 curbstomped to death First America. (Wilson kind of does it by, like I said, bringing the South into the fold... had to colonize it to pass through the first stages, but had to get its cooperation for the last stages.) Long Seventies gets us Third America.

So what do we see today? Will Clown World end with Third America solidifying, or will it prove a temporary aberration, a launching point for disunion or revival?
 
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