US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[StarkRavingMad]

It's so easy to get really damn bitter about immigration in general and to say "WE'RE CLOSED!" to anyone who wants to come here. Hell, it's logical to become that bitter after the past 4 years.

That said, I'm all for doing immigration right. There's plenty of legal immigrants who appreciate America and want to assimilate more than the average American college student at this point.

The more people who actually know the dangers of communism and tyranny, the better.

 

[The Ugly One]

I think it's super funny how Dems are surprise Pickachu faced everytime Trump makes a deal previously thought impossible when.

He made billions of dollars making deals

He had a hugely successful TV show revolving entirely around making deals

He literally wrote a fucking book called "The Art of Of The Deal"

Gee who would have thought this man may be highly talented at negotiating?

He's actually really stupid. He just beat the Bushes, the Clintons, the GOP, the DNC, and the federal government because he's lucky.

 

[Dr Cruel]

The Demon of Unrest (I just stole that name for a book title) is the same creature every time.

"Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world. The High, the Middle and the Low. They had been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered.

The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim - for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives - is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.”

-Emmanuel Goldstein, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Eh, I feel like "neocon" is what a lot of people use to refer to foreign policy hawks. The term neocon specifically refers to GW Bush-era Republicans who believe in "spreading democracy" through military intervention. There are plenty of people who favor US military intervention when it suits our interests, such as myself, who have no retarded ideas about "spreading democracy" whether it's sincerely-held or not. People like me simply think that the US should use its military when it's in our interests. This isn't a new idea nor is it uniquely American.

The reverse of neocon, which I rarely hear used here but is very useful - it describes one of the main influences on Trump - is paleoconservative. The paleoconservatives were genuine old school conservatives, and a big part of that was isolationism. It is not until LATE in the Cold War that warmongering because a "conservative" trait. WW1 = Progressive. WW2 = Progressive. Korea = Fucking Progressive. Vietnam = PROGRESSIVE. You have to go all the way up to Reagan to get to an aggressive president that was considered conservative. Progressivism heavily overlaps with Communism now, but it didn't start that way, it's like they grew into each other over time. You could very much be a progressive in the old-school LBJ since and be in favor of waging the Cold War.

Likewise, paleocons were genuinely concerned with states rights, which despite the cheap guffawing of modern day people was a very real thing besides just slavery. By the modern day states rights are effectively dead and not coming back. And paleocons had reservations about executive authority, they were Madisonians. Who killed the traditional American presidency? Republicans just as much as Democrats. And paleocons tended to be deeply socially conservative even while being skeptical of using state power to promote social conservatism.

Everything Nixon, Reagan, Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger were not. Peacemakers, not warmongers. Friends of local government. Strict constitutionalists. Sincerely, deeply conservative in a quietist way instead of showy, performative pricks with a million prayer breakfasts and endless cucking on core values.

I don't know the story in any depth, but supposedly (heard it many times) neoconservatism was born when a bunch of Trotskyites grew up, became "conservatives," but brought their retarded Marxist habits (including world revolution: the One True Ideology must be exported by force) into American "conservatism." Some fella, William Buckley, usually gets shat on by the types I read.

Mises Institute is a good website for paleoconservative and paleolibertarian thought. It's wingnutty, but I mean, by Kiwi Farms standards its classy. The kind of conservatives who can talk traditional American political philosophy AND ALSO bitch about the Jews sinking USS Liberty.

Edit: Pat Buchanan, from all I've ever read about him, was a wonderful paleoconservative populist Presidential candidate.

 

[WelperHelper99]

They chose to slaughter Christians just like they did in NYC, Boston, Paris, London, Madrid and all over the world. Saudi Arabia bankrolled Al Qaeda and ISIS as stated very plainly in Hillary's emails. The vast majority of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

And? America cannot fight wars for 1000 years over every slight. They want peace. Stay in your domain and we won't fuck with you. Trump has made this our policy. Like it or not.

Unlike his Ukrainian clone this version knew to wear a suit.

Arabs have had a fondness for suits fir a long time if they aren't in robes.

 

[David Floyd George]

This and tariffs would clear the debt in no time

LOLWUT.jpg
US debt is a tad shy of $37 TRILLION. We'll be lucky to clear it in 3 or 4 or 5 decades. All the tariffs and remittances in the world will hardly put a dent in it.

 

[autistic dog]

This is how it all ends?

With some Al Qaeda guy in a suit getting his hand shook like it's the 1980s all over again.

I guess that 9/11 has been forgiven.

What do you mean? Trump is teaming up with the people that are agaisnt Israel.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

They aren't practically useful in combat, though.

That's irrelevant. If they want equal rights then it comes with equal responsibility, simple as that, women can die for Israel like everyone else.

Giving them equal responsibility pushes society further in the wrong direction, which is fine if you want to watch its foundation buckle, but in practical lowbrow terms, we should should simply exchange their rights back for the dignity they traded in to get rights in the first place.

There's no other option. You just need to eroded women's comfort by giving them equal responsibility and accountability as men, and let them know it's feminism's fault. Remind them of what they lost and how to get it back so they vote correctly next time.

If only the scientists in Wuhan were chuddier Covid would have just sterilized black people and then disappeared entirely.

If we're fantasizing about ideal COVID strains then somehow target fags too

I'm no expert, but I don't think women work like that. A shocking amount of them are wired to enjoy being choked/slapped/restrained during coitus. Human history is overflowing with events where the men were slaughtered and the women became wives, so maternal genes which promoted submission to authority were promoted. They are biologically compatible with submission, and the natural order seems to place them in a position where being smacked is essentially the worst thing they would have to deal with in day to day life anyways, rather than, say, being crushed in a collapsing coal mine or flayed by painted natives.

What people like during sex doesn't correlate to what they like in life outside of it, that's where your psychological math is off.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Syria was never going to become some liberal democracy with routine fag parades in Damascus

The fact this ever became an element of American foreign policy is a travesty in of itself.
That this somehow evolved into becoming the gold standard of how effective American foreign policy in the Middle East is or isn't, is an entirely different dimension of insanity.

 

[autistic dog]

When does Clown World begin?

2006 on the website something awful and tumbler.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

2006 on the website something awful and tumbler.

Weird way to say the Congress of Vienna.

 

[Chuckwagon]

This is what enraged me about Gadaffi. Yeah he was funding terrorism here and there, but ever since he's been toppled, Libya has no central government and is no closer to freedom or democracy that the pozzed globohomo celebrates so much. Country hasn't recovered since 2011. Democracy cannot be forced on the population no matter how much you cheer it.

Edit: If Damascus cleans up its act and forms a functioning society I might have to visit some of the historical sights and stuff.

A 'functioning society' that's not a complete shithole and is reasonably safe for tourists to come tour the (usually pre-Islamic) sites in is basically the gold standard for Arab countries. It would certainly be a much better place for Syria to be in compared to the last 14 years of civil war, yes.

Trying to rehabilitate Al Qaeda that just went on a massive ethnic cleansing spree against Christians is the single worst thing Trump has done in his entire life. Far from a fan of Bibi and Israel but even they are vastly preferable to the fucks who were behind every single major terrorist attack in the West.

I hate to be the ackshually guy, but the minority targeted in the recent massacres were the Alawites (yet another Islamic sect, and the one Assad belonged to), not the Christians. If anything the new rulers of Syria seem to have been striving mightily to avoid bashing Christians too much - during the final offensive that toppled Assad, HTS famously chastised its own troops for knocking down Christmas trees and put them back up, negotiated the protection of local Christians with Aleppo's bishop Hanna Jallouf (it was even rumored they were going to make him the interim governor of that city, though that never panned out), and generally acted with far more restraint than would be expected of Islamists toward Christians. While some Christians were indeed killed in the recent sectarian battles & massacres, it's something like six confirmed Christian dead compared to 1,700-2,000+ Alawites.

It's certainly partly a PR stunt (someone like AJ must know Trump's base includes a load of conservative Christians and going full ISIS would piss them off to the point of making the recent sanctions relief an impossibility) but Christians are also, in general, far less hated than the Alawites. Now I don't like the massacres of Alawites either, but unfortunately for them, they are basically in the spot of South African or Rhodesian whites: the former ruling minority, surrounded by a majority that absolutely hates their guts (and the Assads ruled more brutally than either the apartheid regime or Ian Smith in Rhodesia) and really wants to seize all their shit too. And unlike the Boers/Rhodesians, they're waging an armed rebellion to try to regain power after losing the civil war, but it's another war they've been losing and they have no outside power able or willing to help them now.

The Alawites' best bet would've been to try to set up their own country in the western coastal area with Russian support, but for whatever reason they instead disbanded the old SAA and only took up arms again later in a much more disorganized fashion, hence the above military disaster (and massacres). Well, if they haven't all evacuated to Iran by then maybe they can hope a future president (whether Vance or his successor) will do for them what Trump's doing for the Boers before they're wiped out...

This is how it all ends?

With some Al Qaeda guy in a suit getting his hand shook like it's the 1980s all over again.

I guess that 9/11 has been forgiven.

I will say that it's rather strange and surprising watching not just any president, but a New Yorker at that, shaking the hand of an ex-AQ emir. Business and politics truly make for strange bedfellows, Mideastern business and politics, even more-so than usual (in Syria's own case the Assads and Saddam were longtime enemies, but Assad Jr. was cool with Ba'athist/Iraqi Sunni exiles to use Syria as a base after the Iraq War, doubtless including some who would ironically join AQ/ISIS). I definitely would not have expected this development in November of last year.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

2006 on the website something awful and tumbler.

SA started in 1999.

 

[StudMccool]

Sometimes its funny, sometimes it makes you worry for him.

Its sounds like I have both levity and kindness working for me, if not from me, even at my worst, the good Lord provides indeed.

LOLWUT.jpg
US debt is a tad shy of $37 TRILLION. We'll be lucky to clear it in 3 or 4 or 5 decades. All the tariffs and remittances in the world will hardly put a dent in it.

Good afternoon my friend Im the FED, I just printed 37, 1 Trillion dollar notes as not disallowed by the constitution, Good bye paper debt!

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

I haven't been here in the thread for ages, but when the fuck did @StudMccool become a retard like John badman? From decently based to full on window-licking sub iq degenerate fuckwit. Just sad...

He made an effortpost that no one cared about which upset him, freaked out even more when people started actively dismissing his effort post when he complained about everyone just ignoring it, and then I guess he fell off the wagon and started drinking to an extreme excess as best I can tell

What lack of stickas does to a nigga

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

God, don't you miss the past?
Those were the days!

I'll stop Archie-posting. I need to go smoke my see-gar and contemplate my navel (and get throat cancer).

 

[StarkRavingMad]

It was never going to go anywhere but it is interesting Democrats joined with Republicans to stop it. Perhaps Thanedar isn't all that well-liked even among his own party.

Political kabuki.

The same Dems who just sided with Republicans will not hesitate to join the impeachment process if the Dems win back the house in 2026. These individuals don't want to be on the losing side of a vote right now, because they see where the wind is blowing at the moment. Nothing more, nothing less.

I refuse to give any "credit" to any Democrat at this point. They're still all swine.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Political kabuki.

The same Dems who just sided with Republicans will not hesitate to join the impeachment process if the Dems win back the house in 2026. These individuals don't want to be on the losing side of a vote right now, because they see where the wind is blowing at the moment. Nothing more, nothing less.

I refuse to give any "credit" to any Democrat at this point. They're still all swine.

Communists can't be trusted.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Because if I turn on a movie or TV show, especially a Groening one like Simpsons or Futurama, that’s all I’ll hear is the same Nixon jokes over and over.

Groening has done more to rehabilitate Nixon than anyone else in the history of forever.

To me, never knowing the man, Nixon is just President Bender, and that's a president I can get behind.

 

[FieldPiece]

Smacking doesn't work, it only leads to resentment. If your relationship is at the point that a woman needs to be smacked then it should accompany a breakup because it's pretty much unsalvageable anyway.

You fail to understand that women are an animal that goes absolutely insane for 1 week out of every month. And is so insane they got conned into chemically castrating themselves and giving themselves the same hormones as they recieve from a miscarriage every month to avoid some cramps and acne. Sometimes you gotta smack a hoe because bitches be trippin.