Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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In my jurisdiction it is quite literally a shotgun complaint because it falls into two enumerated categories of shotgun complaint. First, it’s filled with tons of extraneous material and allegations. Second, it realleges everything repeatedly in its counts. I would have to look at it more closely, but if it doesn’t clearly distinguish in each count which of the defendants is responsible for which alleged conduct then it would fall into a third enumerated category. I’ll look into tenth circuit law but sloppy pleading is not necessarily distinct from a shotgun pleading. I could cite ten published circuit court cases (from outside the tenth circuit, admittedly) saying this is a shotgun complaint that must be dismissed on that ground regardless of whether the intent is malicious or if the pleader is just retarded.

For the Tenth Circuit, some relevant authorities:
Mann v. Boatright, 477 F.3d 1140, 1147-48 (10th Cir. 2007)

Knox v. First Sec. Bank of Utah, 196 F.2d 112, 117-18 (10th Cir. 1952)

Nasious v. Two Unknown B.I.C.E. Agents, 492 F.3d 1158, 1162-63 (10th Cir. 2007)

Hall v. Bellmon, 935 F.2d 1106, 1110 (10th Cir. 1991)

Glenn v. First Nat. Bank in Grand Junction, 868 F.2d 368, 371-72 (10th Cir. 1989)

5 Charles A. Wright & Arthur R. Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure § 1281 (4th ed. 2025)

There isn’t as strong language as I am used to, but there is precedent on the complaint being bad. There’s an argument for dismissal there, but it’s up to Hardin if he thinks it’s worth pursuing.
Now I understand what you are talking about and completely agree with you. I just have never been involved in a complaint that was called "shotgun" but it actually was one. Russ believes that reciting his plights makes the complaint better. But in reality it just clutters it up, dilutes his "actual" complaints, and shows sloppy cause/effect correlation. I thought from the beginning it should be dismissed for lack of specificity at best, sent back for re-writing at worst (oh look! Exactly what Skordas/Hardin wanted Russ to do! Amazing!). And now when Russ does re-write it, he makes the same exact mistakes as the first with the extraneous material and allegations. You can't convict someone on the basis of rumors and innuendo that say "THEY ARE BAD! SPANK THEM MOMMY JUDGE! BECAUSE I SAID SO!" And that's all Russ wants to do.
 
I just have never been involved in a complaint that was called "shotgun" but it actually was one.
Understandable. I didn’t realize the phrase came out of one circuit and has not been entirely adopted under the name in all of the other circuits, though district courts around the country have talked about it and legal treatises have sections about it. It’s basically just a complaint that violates Rule 8 and creates a waste of time and resources for everyone because it is so poorly drafted. If this were still in Florida, there would be plenty of on point precedent compelling dismissal. Alas.
 
He admitted it in open court. Turning around and spitting in the face of the judge is not going to win him any favors.

I think it's too early to say that before this court has examined the worth of his share in various real estate companies and brothel startups ;)
I think the newly uncovered records that he has been paying filing fees in his other state cases since 2022, while claiming IFP to this court is what will really doom him. The District Judge may still hand wave away the statements in the hearing as "retards gonna retard" and tard guard. But the paying for other cases, just not this one is just pure fuckery that there is no way to square with the iFP statutes. There's not a lot of Judicial discretion there.

The Gilman case is particularly telling. He did not claim IFP there because he was presenting himself as the next big business whoremonger. Flush with cash ready to operate his world class brothels. It was a critical element of his case. He could not be perceived as an impoverished retard for that case. So his use ofo IFP is deliberate willfull and strategic. He's deliberately cheating the system. He only pays when he has to maintain his illusion or fantasy.

Does anyone remember, was he IFP for AGT?
 
So it's NOT under the SPO, it's top-secret communications to the judge directly?
Designation of information under this SPO must be made by marking or labelingthe information, documents, or other materials CONFIDENTIAL or ATTORNEYS’ EYESONLY, in a manner that will not interfere with its legibility.
Hardin gets to see it. The judge gets to see it. Russ obviously gets to see it. Null doesn't until and unless the judge decides the document is not covered by the SPO, either on his own motion or Hardin's.

Anyone violating the order is committing contempt of court.
 
Of course. Because in that case like this one it benefits him to be the poor poor penniless retard that the teacher must take pity on and smite his enemies or force then to do what he wants.

Whereas in his whore related vexatious suits he seeks to present as an up and coming real estate pimp. So he pays the fees to leave no question about his actual finances.

It's all situational with him. It's all an act. He can pay. He just doesn't want to. Unless it in some way benefits him.
 
Does anyone remember, was he IFP for AGT?

Yes he was. And Arianna Grande. And all the times he attempted to sue-woo Taylor Swift. He had filed IFP for the vast majority of his frivolous lolsuits. I believe the Gilman thing has been the only time he has not filed IFP. It's pretty much standard operating procedure for Strokey the Snowflake whenever he attempts to harass someone via the courts.
 
To me its more a sign of sloppy legal writing rather than a shotgun complaint. Russ is copying other bad lawyers. They re-allege everything, thinking it waves a magic wand and makes everything super duper awesome. No, it rather increases the stupidity of your complaint by an order of magnitude every time you re-allege something.
To be fair, while it's a stupid tradition and needs to be put to rest, it is also a venerable tradition and one still noted in Wright & Miller. Many of the lawyers who still do it do it not out of slavish adherence to an empty tradition but because some boomer senior partner insists on it.

If you have 85 paragraphs of factual allegations and seven causes of action, you're not going to be docked points for a meaningless opening paragraph at the beginning of each cause of action just for realleging the facts each time. Much like phrases like "cease and desist" (why not just "stop"), lawyers are afraid of crossing tradition, lest some perverse judge decides "a ha, you said cease but not desist, and he ceased but he didn't have to desist so you lose."

Thus, we end up with these zombie traditions that lurch through the centuries despite serving no meaningful purpose, just like other vestiges of ancient law. For instance, does anyone know what the fuck an "oyer" is or what a "terminer" is and what a court of both of those would mean? I mean I do but what normal person does?
Russ believes that reciting his plights makes the complaint better. But in reality it just clutters it up, dilutes his "actual" complaints, and shows sloppy cause/effect correlation.
I'll note I'm not defending the irrelevant plightsperging itself but merely the dumb but venerable tradition of the realleging boilerplate in an otherwise properly drafted complaint.
5 Charles A. Wright & Arthur R. Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure § 1281 (4th ed. 2025)
I didn't know there was a 2025 edition. Do you know what § 1326 currently says? Have they changed the language at all about this realleging nonsense?
 
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To me its more a sign of sloppy legal writing rather than a shotgun complaint. Russ is copying other bad lawyers. They re-allege everything, thinking it waves a magic wand and makes everything super duper awesome. No, it rather increases the stupidity of your complaint by an order of magnitude every time you re-allege something. Do they think that by going to the next section, the previous sections all of a sudden fall off a cliff and disappear? I don't know who started this kind of fuckery but they just need to stop it and idiots who plagiarize them need to stop.
When you're pleading each cause of action, that section is supposed to contain each factual claim relevant to the elements. Realleging specific paragraphs A, C, E-H, etc. as if set forth fully herein is a space saver. For short complaints, especially single-cause-of-action ones, there's not really a problem with just saying "all of them," but it is a problem in longer complaints.

I've got one I'm dealing with right now where we're on the 2nd amended complaint, with an upcoming hearing on the local equivalent of Fed Rule 12 motions against the 2nd amended, where the plaintiff did try and obfuscate that they hadn't alleged sufficient facts related to one of the three causes of action they jammed into one by just pointing to all prior paragraphs (which were largely conclusory claims as far as this cause of action was concerned) and saying "it's in there somewhere." So I have to go through their complaint, quote every section they even tangentially refer to the issue, lay them all out for the court to see, and say "no, it isn't." And this isn't a pro-se plaintiff!
 
When you're pleading each cause of action, that section is supposed to contain each factual claim relevant to the elements. Realleging specific paragraphs A, C, E-H, etc. as if set forth fully herein is a space saver. For short complaints, especially single-cause-of-action ones, there's not really a problem with just saying "all of them," but it is a problem in longer complaints.
That's the real problem with those boilerplate reallege everything sentences and why they should be abandoned. They're of no real use. I would say it's probably safe to omit them entirely. Even if literally every factual allegation is directly related to every cause of action, it should be understood that the general allegations apply to everything following them.

So why point out the obvious over and over?

Actually citing the relevant factual allegations with specificity so they know where to look for the facts supporting the elements of the cause of action is actually helpful.

I think some lawyers worry if they incorporate specific paragraphs by reference, the judge is going to jump at them and say HA! YOU MISSED J! DISMISSED! So you have this dumb rigamarole.
 
You can only put so much paint on a Pig. And at the end of the day Russ is still the second ugliest stupidest Pig in the Pig Pen
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Also, $14/hr in Vegas? Shit. Homo Depot is paying $21.50 to start https://www.indeed.com/l-las-vegas,-nv-jobs.html?vjk=19a22ec5e9464d9e
Obviously Russ should get a job in plumbing, since he's an expert in uncontrollable flows of liquid (and shit).

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Will Russ retract yet another one of his lies?
If Fatrick's defense of the Farms somehow helps us shoot Greer down, does that make him an honorary Stalker Child?

Thus, we end up with these zombie traditions that lurch through the centuries despite serving no meaningful purpose, just like other vestiges of ancient law. For instance, does anyone know what the fuck an "oyer" is or what a "terminer" is and what a court of both of those would mean? I mean I do but what normal person does?
THOUSANDS OF YEARS FROM NOW: imagine the lawyers of the year 4725 drafting their motions: they have no idea why every digital page of the filing is numbered "6" nor why it must be closed out with "Sent from my iPhone" but that is the legal tradition taught by every professor since time immemorial.
 
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I didn't know there was a 2025 edition. Do you know what § 1326 currently says? Have they changed the language at all about this realleging nonsense?
There’s an April 2025 update, but still fourth edition.

Here’s the relevant material from section 1326:
Excessive incorporation by reference can be problematic. When a party indiscriminately incorporates assertions from one count to another, for example, by incorporating all facts or defenses from all previous counts into each successive count, it can result in an unnecessarily long and confusing pleading and counts that contain irrelevant facts or defenses, and it can prevent the opposing party from reasonably being able to prepare a response or simply make the burden of doing so more difficult. When faced with what some judges have called “shotgun pleading,” a district court often will order the party to replead and state his claims or defenses more clearly.
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Although there is no prescribed procedure for referring to incorporated matter, the references to prior allegations must be direct and explicit to enable the responding party to ascertain the nature and extent of the incorporation. Thus, statements in a counterclaim that the defendant “realleges all of the allegations contained in his amended answer,” without greater specificity, have been held to be an insufficient designation of what matter was intended to be incorporated. Similarly, a sweeping allegation that “each statement and allegation in each count of this Complaint shall be considered as repeated and realleged and incorporated by this reference into any other count of this Complaint where such incorporation shall be or appear necessary to the validity of the cause of action or claim for relief therein stated” was held to be an ineffective incorporation by reference. As discussed earlier in this section, these types of allegations are precisely what some federal courts have referred to as “shotgun pleading” and have sought to discourage.
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When appropriate, an objection to an incorporation by reference can be made by a motion to strike, a motion for a more definite statement, or a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. In addition, the district court, on its own motion, may point out a defect in an incorporation and suggest its correction. Leave to amend the pleading to correct a defective incorporation should be granted liberally.
 
Yeah, my blue-collar husband who works shit tier jobs in manufacturing (it keeps him happy because he can pay for all his gaming shit and I make more than enough otherwise in my industry) makes nearly $20/hr in a low COL state. If he was doing his same job in Las Vegas, he would probably be making closer to $25/hr. Where in the hell is mush-mouth working?
Isn't he working for Doordash or some other gig economy scam? Or was that just people using doordash as the generic term for what he was doing?
 
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THOUSANDS OF YEARS FROM NOW: imagine the lawyers of the year 4725 drafting their motions: they have no idea why every digital page of the filing is numbered "6" nor why it must be closed out with "Sent from my iPhone" but that is the legal tradition taught by every professor since time immemorial.
The unlimited breadsticks in every courtroom will be a strange but welcome tradition.
 
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They're generally able to effectively combat fires and safely extricate people from car crashes though, right? If Grug can help out on the worst day of my life I'm not going to begrudge him not knowing the word symbols so good.
 
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