Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Cactuar King]

And maybe an epilogue where five minutes after the end of Star Wars, they gotta evacuate Yavin and characters like General Draven are all kinds of pissed-off that the big hero of the day is some random teenager who just showed up with a wookie, a smuggler and Princess Leia. He has a medal and a glowstick, you know. That means he's too good to help move crates.

We get enough of that "Luke isn't hot shit compared to the REAL HEROES who did all the REAL WORK like Jyn Erso" in Disney Canon.

 

[Eventide]

In the Declassified video (at 9:45~), the actress mentioned that was the end for Dedra. Not that she speaks for Disney, but given how strong the reaction is online both in favor of Andor and against Filoni's nostalgia-bait. The majority reaction is that the fans don't want endless nostalgia and live action cartoons, so I would expect Disney to not try to tarnish the one critically aclaimed thing they have. Surely they can't be that retarded, can they?

Spoken like someone who never watched the Acolyte. Or been to a Disney Store filled with bizarre Star Wars merch destined for Ollie's Bargin Outlet. You sweet, sweet summer child.

On topic of weird merch, did Rogue One make you want to buy a Jyn Erso Barbie doll for your daughters? Well, don't worry, it's a thing!

This line needs to be revived, I want a Dedra and Syril 2 pack, like the Reylo Couple 2-pack:

We get enough of that "Luke isn't hot shit compared to the REAL HEROES who did all the REAL WORK like Jyn Erso" in Disney Canon.View attachment 7364003

Someone should write a letter to Disney saying it's rayciss a white character is being credited for the work of a space-Mexican character.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

We get enough of that "Luke isn't hot shit compared to the REAL HEROES who did all the REAL WORK like Jyn Erso" in Disney Canon.View attachment 7364003

Now we've gotta retcon that and say that Bix, Vel, Luthen and Cassian were the ones who did everything that mattered. Jyn just came along and helped move things forward.

 

[Grave Ghost]

Spoken like someone who never watched the Acolyte. Or been to a Disney Store filled with bizarre Star Wars merch destined for Ollie's Bargin Outlet. You sweet, sweet summer child.

On topic of weird merch, did Rogue One make you want to buy a Jyn Erso Barbie doll for your daughters? Well, don't worry, it's a thing!

This line needs to be revived, I want a Dedra and Syril 2 pack, like the Reylo Couple 2-pack:

It's honestly wild that there was a period that Kathleen Kennedy was just straight up trying to turn this into a franchise for girls out of pure spite.

 

[GlupShitto]

I'm gonna re-install Star Wars Squadron, wish I had VR gear for that.

Squadrons in VR is one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had, I just wish the campaign weren't so cucked. Between the troon, the ugly bug lady (remember when women in SW games were hot?), and forcing Dave Filoni's OC ugly fucking Twi'lek down our throats, it's embarrassing.

Anyway, I expect the only thing Disney will take away from this is that we love brown women, lesbians, and unappealing rape scenes. So prepare for Episode X: The Jeet Awakens.

 

[GlupShitto]

It's honestly wild that there was a period that Kathleen Kennedy was just straight up trying to turn this into a franchise for girls out of pure spite.

I'd argue she still is with Ahsoka and her chink concubine getting a second season, Andor having such a heavy focus on the dykes, Skeleton Crew being about the hierarchy of women > niglet boys > white boys who are fat retards, The Acolyte, and the Rey movie.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Given how Imperial prisons are like, she probably did the latter.

The only way Dedra could realistically live is if she just goes with the flow and pretends she was actually doing things for the rebellion just to survive, given how lenient the """canon""" rebels were with Imperial officers after Return of the Jedi.

Otherwise, she definitely committed suicide like her superior

 

[SIMIΔN]

The last three episodes were great, but my one niggle is tthat though the stormtroopers/ISB marshalls acted competently, their armour seems to be useless and they were one-shotted by handguns.

Partagaz went out on his own terms and the irony here is: rebelled by denying the Imperial machine the triumph and satisfaction

I suspect Partagaz developed some rebel sympathies by the end. Who made Dedra get the emails, who gave Lonni Dedra's password.
He's old enough to have spent most of his career working for the Republic too.

Andor having such a heavy focus on the dykes

One scene where Vel and Cinta meet again after so long, Another where Vel gets angry at the guy who shoots Cintra, and a line at the wedding party saying childhood arranged marriages are bad for teh gays.
Thinking about it, Vel may have chosen to be a rebellion agent because she wouldn't be happy living a traditional Chandrillan life.

how lenient the """canon""" rebels were

The notFrench resistance trusted Syril because he was sacked for insubordination.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I suspect Partagaz developed some rebel sympathies by the end. Who made Dedra get the emails, who gave Lonni Dedra's password.
He's old enough to have spent most of his career working for the Republic too.

Alternatively he realised that something big as the Death Star can't be hidden forever and that some day someone is going to take the fall for it. Usually the bullet gets eaten by the commanding officer, so I think Partagaz distributed that risk as best as possible, making sure that if he goes down most of the ISB will be destroyed in the process and that only midwits will inherit the ashes.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It's kinda interesting at least in modern Star Wars (don't have a good memory of the EU era), that a big part of how the Empire failed is how quickly they lost so many of the more competent officers and Death Star within such a short amount of time.

You can even kind of feel it in the Original Trilogy since even in the Empire Strikes Back, while the Empire got some small victories, they really didn't achieve much.

As a side note, its really funny in contrast how the entire Sequel Trilogy takes place in one year

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

Sequel Trilogy takes place in one year

this is a fucking kicker that really made the whole thing dumb to me, like Rey has had at most a year of Jedi Training and is somehow able to defeat Palpy by blasting back his force lightning at him with Lightsabers, makes no sense, like at least The Prequels and the Original had timeskips when it made sense, like theres 10 years in between Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

that a big part of how the Empire failed is how quickly they lost so many of the more competent officers and Death Star within such a short amount of time.

Which honestly makes sense though I think that was something that some of the EU had an idea of at least as well.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

One scene where Vel and Cinta meet again after so long, Another where Vel gets angry at the guy who shoots Cintra, and a line at the wedding party saying childhood arranged marriages are bad for teh gays.
Thinking about it, Vel may have chosen to be a rebellion agent because she wouldn't be happy living a traditional Chandrillan life.

That's just going to end with a Stormtrooper putting a blaster bolt in her by the end. People who do things just to avoid a boring, comfy life tend to get what they asked for, just not in a way they'd think.

The only way Dedra could realistically live is if she just goes with the flow and pretends she was actually doing things for the rebellion just to survive, given how lenient the """canon""" rebels were with Imperial officers after Return of the Jedi.

Otherwise, she definitely committed suicide like her superior

She probably threw herself on the bug zapper floor until she died.

Alternatively he realised that something big as the Death Star can't be hidden forever and that some day someone is going to take the fall for it. Usually the bullet gets eaten by the commanding officer, so I think Partagaz distributed that risk as best as possible, making sure that if he goes down most of the ISB will be destroyed in the process and that only midwits will inherit the ashes.
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I think it's more that he knows he's going to get sacked for letting Luthen's assistant escape and bring word to the Rebels about the Death Star, so instead of letting the Empire throw his ass in jail or have a Sith slowly torture and kill him, he opts to die on his own terms, kind of like a Japanese General after the surrender was signed at the end of WW2.

The ISB still exists by the time of the OT; Colonel Yularen heads it, and he's on the Death Star.

It's funny how Dave Filoni tried to characterize Yularen as someone who is "among the Nazis, but not one of them" when the dude literally heads the Space Gestapo agency. That's as Nazi as you can get. Not to mention that even TCW establishes him as a friend of the Chancellor in that one episode with the cloaked ship and the spider-admiral. So not only does this dude lead the Space Gestapo, but he's one of the Fuhrer/Kaiser's close friends.

Speaking of Filoni, looks like there's trouble in paradise.........

Apparently, there's a turf war in Disney Star Wars between Tony Gilroy and Dave Filoni, with the latter not liking Andor because it doesn't suit his vision for Star Wars. (Remember how Filoni tried to absolve the clones of guilt, yet one of the memorable scenes in Andor was when Andor's dad got executed by clones.) Gilroy apparently used his connection with Kathleen Kennedy to bypass Dave trying to gatekeep him from shaping his own SW show.

I can understand where both men come from. Gilroy wants to produce what amounts to an adult HBO show with Star Wars characteristics, Dave wants to keep Star Wars in a childish level similar to the 80s cartoons. Notice how both treat the Empire; Gilroy wants to portray the Empire as a genuine threat, whereas Filoni makes them into bumbling morons. The way Gilroy wrote the ISB scenes are far smarter than the way FIloni wrote Thrawn in Rebels and Ahsoka.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Notice how both treat the Empire; Gilroy wants to portray the Empire as a genuine threat, whereas Filoni makes them into bumbling morons. The way Gilroy wrote the ISB scenes are far smarter than the way FIloni wrote Thrawn in Rebels and Ahsoka.

The way Gilroy writes Krennic and the ISB Supervisors compared to Filoni writing Thrawn brings up this old copypasta

 

[GlupShitto]

Something I noticed with Partagaz's suicide and Dedra's fate is how it retroactively adds meaning to the Grand Inquisitor's death and the whole "there are some things more frightening than death" line. Seemingly everyone in the Empire lives with that weighing on them, not just the people involved in the mystical Dark Side aspects. Whether you're going to be tortured by your wizard boss or sentenced to a lifetime in the worst prison imaginable, in the empire, death is a mercy if you fuck up.

 

[BigBadBastich]

We get enough of that "Luke isn't hot shit compared to the REAL HEROES who did all the REAL WORK like Jyn Erso" in Disney Canon.View attachment 7364003

These fuckers should wake me up when anything from their Disney Canon is as memorable as Kyle Katarn.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

These fuckers should wake me up when anything from their Disney Canon is as memorable as Kyle Katarn. View attachment 7367136

Then you will sleep forever.

 

[SIMIΔN]

I found this gem on reddit.

As a piece of literature, Andor is genuinely exceptional. I’d contend that it’s a landmark in how it approaches character construction and steps away from conventional monomythic frameworks, devices, and narrative contours. And its core message is startlingly prescient. And I’m not necessarily referring to its overt commentary on authoritarianism—at least not directly.

We live in a culture where “humble” nearly functions as a pejorative. The incentive architecture of social media has elevated grandiose narcissism and performative behaviour into routine, even celebrated, traits. Phrases like “NPC” or “do it for the plot” have bled into common vernacular.

Andor actively rejects this.

Cassian is more than the archetypal reluctant protagonist—he’s wilfully passionless (outside of familial ties), and absent traditional charisma. Notably, he is written with a degree of passivity that would typically be frowned upon in screenwriting. For much of the series, he is swept along by the inertia of others—those with ambition, influence, and presence. He actively dismisses any suggestion that he is destined for something. And in what is functionally the finale of his story (Rogue One), he, the titular character, functions as a supporting character to Jyn Erso, who by birthright assumes the lead.

In truth, Andor’s plot is driven by its supporting characters, developed with more depth than I’ve encountered in nearly any series. One of the franchise’s most quoted lines is delivered by a nameless hotel clerk. In contrast to many of these side characters, Cassian’s own backstory is relatively boring. These minor characters, in several cases, contribute more directly to the Death Star’s destruction than even Cassian does.

The series doesn’t just explore the “banality of evil” through the ISB—that’s fairly evident—it also illustrates a “mundanity of heroism”. Moments that, in any other setting, might be utterly forgettable. In some instances, the acts are even passive: the hotel clerk who simply doesn’t log Cassian’s name; the hangar tech who looks the other way as Cassian steals prototype Tie fighter. Or Brasso inventing an alibi for Cassian, then later feigning betrayal to protect his farmer neighbour. Or marrying your daughter off for political gain or Lonni reading his colleague’s e-mails.

These are not acts of traditionally heroic swashbuckling. But they grow. Slight gestures compound, each one a little bolder, more costly, more resolute. They layer into something formidable. The message is quietly radical: the power of unremarkable, decent, quietly determined people—many of whom possess no extraordinary skills, abilities, no ambition, no hunger for credit.

And often their ends are brutally unsentimental: Nemik crushed in a loading mishap, Cinta struck down by a stray shot, Lonni’s corpse found by a dog, Kino unable to swim. There’s a striking contrast here between romantic, virtue-signaling grandiosity and the unsung grunt work that truly moves the needle. It’s an empowering presentation of the accessibility of heroism.

edit:
Another redditor was the typical midwit, whinging that Tony Gilroy forgot that blasters have a stun setting.
Yes, but the show never uses magic tech if it doesn't help the story, stunning would make the choices too easy.
The prison arc revolved around electrified floors and insulation boots. But it explores a lot about human compliance.
The robot made sense, as realworld guerillas and special forces sometimes use captured enemy equipment to infiltrate.

 

[God of Nothing]

oh wow, bix was pregnant the entire time and never told cassian
what a fucking bitch, holy shit

 

[FatR]

Watching the Ghorman massacre sequence, I have a heightened case of the same feeling I got from the end of Season 1. It is as if deep down the script writers know that your average "peaceful protest" consists of armed thugs and smoothbrain fodder cynically brought by said thugs for no purpose but to serve as some combination of expendable human shields and sacrificial pawns to give material for atrocity propaganda, and so that's what they reproduce on screen... they can't quite put their finger on why it is a bad thing. At least this time they had brains to make sure the confrontation is not entirely the rebels' fault.

Also, the whole series still has a really bad case of a mini-Galaxy. The original EU Ghorman Massacre became a landmark accident, remembered completely out of proportion (a few hundreds to thousands dead, the world entirely intact, basically nothing compared to dozens of population centers orbital-bombarded by the Empire later), because Tarkin got promoted for a completely one-sided act of cruelty, and that was when the Rebellion's founders decided that they cannot expect fair governance from Palpatine. But this accident... really is a very minor shout-out that the Empire can plausibly present as suppression of an armed revolt. It is entirely unclear how it can mobilize anyone, who is not already a committed rebel. The whole affair is just so tiny and muddled.